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02-06-2016, 11:55 AM - 3 Likes   #721
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QuoteOriginally posted by bpv_UW Quote
What strikes me most about all this is how utterly reactionary many here are when anyone speaks ill of their beloved FF. For the record, I'm very excited about it, think it will succeed, and plan on getting one, but I don't take personal offense when I encounter someone who doesn't share my views, or assume everyone who doesn't is a troll. Come on people, isn't it good to have a diversity of opinion here?

I would argue that the response, not his post, was far more...(what's the word?)...vexatious.

-Brandon

PS - Can't help but notice someone's response to his Intro thread from a couple days ago - "Leute hier sind hilfbar und freundlich." - people here are helpful and friendly. Yea...

Yep. This is the polarized, political nature of communication online these days. It extends well beyond the PF. Sadly, so many seem to think if one has a negative, counter opinion to yours, they are the enemy and thus must be eliminated. It makes forums and topic discussions become sugary unicorn and rainbow fanclubs. I'd rather have an open dialogue instead.

Last month, someone was using Nikon bodies as a positive example in a comparison on features and they were told by a long standing member to leave the forums. Literally stop coming here.

A month or so before that, I mentioned the aspects of Nikon DX bodies I liked and was attacked and told to leave the forums by the same person.

Now this..

Reminds me of the movie 'The day the Earth stood still' where the alien comes out saying he is here on peace then displays a device that looks menacing and it is shot by a scared solider. The device was harmless and would have allowed them to study life on other planets. Are we so afraid of a lone stated differing opinion here that we must fight it tooth and nail? That's petty behavior and we're all adults here, I presumed. It seems we are collectively losing the ability to communicate as the internet has become more and more mainstream..

Let's not shoot at each other.. or get into that internet mindset where we can't disagree politely or at least ask for clarification before firing... As hard as it is sometimes, perhaps it really is better to say nothing at all if we can't say something in return politely.

My thoughts..

02-06-2016, 12:10 PM   #722
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I couldn't agree more, wait, did you say Nikon? Get out of here!
02-06-2016, 12:19 PM   #723
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QuoteOriginally posted by Gimbal Quote
The only thing we know for sure is that they should have used the other one.
:-D.

Summed up nicely, Gimbal!
02-06-2016, 12:39 PM   #724
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Last month, someone was using Nikon bodies as a positive example in a comparison on features and they were told by a long standing member to leave the forums. Literally stop coming here.
Just because one extreme is bad doesn't mean the other is OK.
As for the "open dialogue", I've already expressed my opinion on that. Anyway, this is my last post on the subject, as it's getting too long anyway.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Just because one extreme is bad doesn't mean the other is OK.
As for the "open dialogue", I've already expressed my opinion on that. Anyway, this is my last post on the subject, as it's getting too long anyway.
Take it easy. I think in this forum, every one has the right to express the opinion. No matter how dislike Pentax or other brands, speaking out clearly why will still benefit the community...

I like the recent post by Pentax staff which list clearly Pentax advantages and disadvantages. Now a days, no brand is perfect.
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I blame the death of a classical education. There was a time when rhetoric was taught in schools, and people were exposed to philosophy -> the love of thinking.

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QuoteOriginally posted by mattt Quote
I blame the death of a classical education. There was a time when rhetoric was taught in schools, and people were exposed to philosophy -> the love of thinking.
Yeah, Odysseus would have been a Pentaxian - all those tragedies, such melancholy! :-D
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Has anyone ever done an age survey of Pentax forum members? I'm in my mid-fifties, and I get the impression that I'm in the mid-age range - just interested, I suppose, with the idea of a classical education being brought up.

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I blame the death of a classical education. There was a time when rhetoric was taught in schools, and people were exposed to philosophy -> the love of thinking.
Good point. I remember having numerous sanctioned debates and general topic discussions in (High School) class. Usually in the History, Social Studies, or even Geography classes... Either the class would break into opposing viewpoints and (rigorously yet politely) argue their case or someone would ask a question and the response would find another student giving a different view point which would warrant a rebuttal from the teacher or another student.. and off we'd go for an hour or so haha.. thoughts and views bouncing off of each other whenever we had something to say. I really enjoyed that.

In college it was seen but not as much. And, it seemed to me, where professor/instructor was more opposed to differing viewpoints or discussion on them are the ones that acted much more totalitarian and, in general, were simply angrier than the other professors/instructors. My way or the highway.
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QuoteOriginally posted by starjedi Quote
I like the recent post by Pentax staff which list clearly Pentax advantages and disadvantages. Now a days, no brand is perfect.
I don't think there was a perfect brand, ever. Even a "perfect" camera would still be a compromise - there will be a choice of conflicting characteristics, no matter what. There's no "one size fits all".
I'm staying with Pentax not because I delude myself that it's perfect (and by the way, I find this allusion a bit insulting), but because their usual characteristics suit me better than other brands'.

But the other matter has nothing to do with this; and on that subject I have nothing more to say than what I did here
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/305513-final-countd...ml#post3518285
I think I have a point, perhaps you should read it and think a bit about what I said there.
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Has anyone ever done an age survey of Pentax forum members? I'm in my mid-fifties, and I get the impression that I'm in the mid-age range - just interested, I suppose, with the idea of a classical education being brought up.

I've been meaning to do one, you just convinced me to configure one -- https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/14-general-talk/313450-how-old-you-poll.html
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I've been meaning to do one, you just convinced me to configure one
good - thanks - polled
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Has anyone ever done an age survey of Pentax forum members? I'm in my mid-fifties, and I get the impression that I'm in the mid-age range - just interested, I suppose, with the idea of a classical education being brought up.
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