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02-13-2016, 10:39 AM   #1216
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
I agree with 50% of your argument - that the telephoto market is important and should not be ignored.
I disagree with the other 50%, that a phone is adequate for most short lens applications. Yes, there are lots of people who take snapshots that could be taken with almost anything - they assume the zombie pose, vaguely point the phone at something, and snap the shutter - but there are also lots of people who have needs like mine. My requirements for a camera include burst mode and having a viewfinder. (I do use a hoodman with my Q-7, but some folk over in the Q subforum are really tired hearing my desire that the Q-S2 - if there ever is such a thing - include an EVF). Like many who learned photography in the daze of film, I can achieve a good stable position only if the camera is planted against my head. No matter how bright an LCD is, I have trouble composing pictures in sunlight using an LCD. I take pictures of trains going 50 MPH, so burst mode is almost essential (and when I forget to turn it on, I demonstrate why it would be so valuable to me if I had turned it on), and I really don't like pictures which have fun-house aspects because of "rolling shutter".
No question. But I have two guys working for me, both love photography and have dslrs. They have wide lenses, normal lenses. But they sit on a shelf and they both take lots of shots with their phones.

I take shots with long lenses.

Guess who buys lenses and bodies.

No one has to convince me of the value of fine short and normal lenses. I see shots taken with the 31mm and want one. Ricoh's interest is finding people willing to part with substantial amounts of money.

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QuoteOriginally posted by beholder3 Quote
Digital FF cameras actually provide a kind of "sour spot" (not "sweet spot") with regards to viewfinder sizes.
MF is hugely better and APSC is much better relatively as well.

Here is an overview that shows the misery (look at the yellow column with mm▓):


Remember that both magnification and coverage reduce area squared (they apply to width and height).
MX and MEsuper numbers mixed up. MX has the better VF.

EDIT : checked on KMP:
MX is 0.97x 95%
ME Super is 0.95x 92%

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QuoteOriginally posted by derekkite Quote
No question. But I have two guys working for me, both love photography and have dslrs. They have wide lenses, normal lenses. But they sit on a shelf and they both take lots of shots with their phones.
I guess it all depends of what the people around you shoot.. In my case most of my friends have their telephotos sitted on a shelf because they dont use them. They do street photography, events, landscape, and studio.
02-13-2016, 12:29 PM   #1219
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
MX and MEsuper numbers mixed up. MX has the better VF.

EDIT : checked on KMP:
MX is 0.97x 95%
ME Super is 0.95x 92%
LX - different versions,
0.9, 0.84x - 98%


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I wouldn't bet on that, you don't have half the earth on PF. It's ofc more but still small figures, that's why you pay good money for those. It's not the same use as a 150-450 ofc and I think I would prefer a 300f4 over the zoom if you need mobility. Canon is designing new compact super tele, this will be more handhold-able and probably sell well even at a very high price point. For sure you cannot ask to have in one year a 300/2.8 a 400 a 500 and a 600 It's redondant and we have a 560. A compact 300/2.8 and 2x TC is a year or two if the FF does well if more realistic I think.
Samsung made a 300mm f/2,8 for NX and have shown prototypes of it several times. But the NX system is probably at the end of the line now. Maybe Samsung have the formulas and production line up for sale?

I hope Pentax will start with a 300/2,8 and a matched TC in stead of starting with a 600/4 or 5,6 and don't have a focal reducer for it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Simen1 Quote
Samsung made a 300mm f/2,8 for NX and have shown prototypes of it several times. But the NX system is probably at the end of the line now. Maybe Samsung have the formulas and production line up for sale?

I hope Pentax will start with a 300/2,8 and a matched TC in stead of starting with a 600/4 or 5,6 and don't have a focal reducer for it.
Samsung 300 F2.8 might be APS-C only...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Simen1 Quote
Samsung made a 300mm f/2,8 for NX and have shown prototypes of it several times. But the NX system is probably at the end of the line now. Maybe Samsung have the formulas and production line up for sale?
Pentax used to do a very good FA* 300 f/2.8 themselves - no need to buy in optical designs, at least
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LX - different versions,
0.9, 0.84x - 98%
I estimated the viewfinder size based on leaked K-1 photos. It is about 1.3x larger than K-3's viewfinder. So if the OVF is proportional, Pentax K1 should be at least 0.76x and very close to LX OVF . Definitely not small!


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QuoteOriginally posted by starjedi Quote
Samsung 300 F2.8 might be APS-C only...
I'd very surprised to see a telephoto design limited to Aps.
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I feel there is something not right about those view finder rumors. The camera is suppose to be only 925 grams light weight with a sturdy metal skeleton, and yet have weight budget for a very large prism. It doesn't seem right. I fear the VF is smaller then the size indicates. So why is it so large? Remember K-3 -> K-3II? The flash was removed to make place for the GPS unit. I suspect the GPS and Wifi units take up space within the top.

thibs: I agree.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Simen1 Quote
The camera is suppose to be only 925 grams light weight with a sturdy metal skeleton, and yet have weight budget for a very large prism.
Doesn't the prism have to be large enough to cover the area of the viewing screen, which would mean that all full-frame prisms are much the same size? Perhaps someone with greater knowledge could clarify this for me.
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Doesn't the prism have to be large enough to cover the area of the viewing screen, which would mean that all full-frame prisms are much the same size? Perhaps someone with greater knowledge could clarify this for me.
Exactly if the camera wants to cover 100%. So all full frame pentaprisms should be similar...
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The release date must be getting close, my credit card is starting to have the shivers. Cannot wait until it goes into convulsions.
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The release date must be getting close, my credit card is starting to have the shivers. Cannot wait until it goes into convulsions.
The announcement is now officially scheduled on Thursday, February 18th, as previously reported here:
QuoteOriginally posted by Pentax South Africa:
The Pentax full frame DSLR will be officially announced on 18 February. Watch this space for full details coming next Thursday.
Source: Pentax South Africa on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/pentaxsa/photos/a.436560886382228.91818.43655553971...type=1&theater

Dedicated battery grip D-BG6, HD Pentax-D FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR and HD Pentax-D FA 15-30mm f/2.8 ED SDM WR will be announced at the same time.

How does your credit card feel?
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THE 18TH! My bank card just jumped from my wallet and scurried under the rug.
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