Final Countdown to Feb 25th 2016 (CP+ 2016)

starjedi · 02-02-2016, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Still doesn't like that some spell my name wrong..haha

Kens--pro.. seems to be a cool name :-) Anyway, since Pentax did not patents for 15-30 or FF primes in last 5-6 years, it is very likely that
1) 15-30 is similar to 24-70, which has co-works with Tamron. I think it is a very smart step. Thinking about the price of Canon and Nikon for the similar lens, Pentaxians can buy 15-30 and 24-70 with half of the price, but same or even better IQ! Tamron 15-30 is an excellent lens.

2)FF primes sound to come from old primes + new coatings + DC/SDM. Cannot wait to see new 50 1.2, 85 1.4 and 135 1.8...

kenspo · 02-02-2016, 06:44 AM - **1 Like**

15-30 will be rebranded Tamron, just like 24-70

**Hattifnatt** · 02-02-2016, 06:46 AM - **2 Likes**

I would like to see something similar to my SMC DA 15mm Limited on FF - I am already thinking of purchasing the FA 20mm f2.8, I found one almost new.

Also, I have the Sigma 35mm Art and I've recently acquired the FA 77 and FA 43, so if they release some new primes I would like them to be 50, 85, 135 etc.

pathdoc · 02-02-2016, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Hattifnatt

so if they release some new primes I would like them to be 50, 85, 135 etc.

I honestly can't see them NOT releasing a 50mm D-FA (non-macro) prime, unless they decided to go retro and chose 55mm instead. Hey, it's Pentax; they do stuff like that.

Though frankly my bet is for 50mm, as releasing a fast D-FA 55 might undercut the 55mm DA*.

They could always do something really weird and go all the way to 58mm, but I doubt it. What remains to be seen is the exact nature of the build - will it just be an upmarket DA50/1.8 (Quick shift, metal mount, WR and possibly DC), or will they also/instead give us some really classy, uber-expensive f/1.2 or f/1.4 bokeh monster?

Doundounba · 02-02-2016, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by pathdoc

I honestly can't see them NOT releasing a 50mm D-FA (non-macro) prime, unless they decided to go retro and chose 55mm instead. Hey, it's Pentax; they do stuff like that.

Though frankly my bet is for 50mm, as releasing a fast D-FA 55 might undercut the 55mm DA*.

Apparently the DA* 55mm already covers the full frame circle, but if I remember correctly the current hood might cause vignetting on FF. My thought is (I think I might have said this upthread): give it HD coatings, a faster DC focus motor (the DA* is said to have a slow AF motor) and ship it with two different hoods (the current one and one for FF). Presto - great normal prime for FF plus revamped portrait APS-C lens... I somehow doubt it will happen in the near term though. We're more likely to see a 15-30mm F/2.8 (rebadged Tamron) first, IMHO.

starjedi · 02-02-2016, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

15-30 will be rebranded Tamron, just like 24-70

Excellent. Tamron is around $1200. Pentax version (with upgrade on coating) should be similar (as 24-70), much cheaper than canon, Nikon version.... So it is really a budget wide angle lens with fantastic IQ! (Made in Japan also instead of Vitenam!)

rawr · 02-02-2016, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

But I'm one of the first in line when they start the shipping

Post an un-boxing video pls, when you are allowed to. Beat the rush.

pathdoc · 02-02-2016, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Doundounba

We're more likely to see a 15-30mm F/2.8 (rebadged Tamron) first, IMHO.

Yeah, I think they want to get a Pentax zoom holy trinity out there quickly - at the very least a dynamic duo (24-70/70-200) for pro photographers with cash to burn who want to walk out the store ready to rock.

thibs · 02-02-2016, 08:41 AM

Which seems logical to me.
I hope they won't forget pro/prosumer f/4 zooms too (and not constructed like a DA16-45 bit like a real pro zoom).

bertwert · 02-02-2016, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Which seems logical to me.
I hope they won't forget pro/prosumer f/4 zooms too (and not constructed like a DA16-45 bit like a real pro zoom).

Like the DA* 60-250/4 but 35mm image circle?

thibs · 02-02-2016, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by bertwert

Like the DA* 60-250/4 but 35mm image circle?

Yep, along those lines. A bit better range than the f/2.8 zooms and affordable (no, not cheap).
Dunno, something as:
- DFA 24-80 or -90/4
- DFA 70-200 or better 60-250/4 (but real FF this time).

And then a range of affordable 1.8 primes à la Nikon but good construction. 50/1.8 is excellent but construction is cheap (and it is ok, it IS cheap). 35/1.8, 85/1.8 etc.

starjedi · 02-02-2016, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Yep, along those lines. A bit better range than the f/2.8 zooms and affordable (no, not cheap).
Dunno, something as:
- DFA 24-80 or -90/4
- DFA 70-200 or better 60-250/4 (but real FF this time).

And then a range of affordable 1.8 primes à la Nikon but good construction. 50/1.8 is excellent but construction is cheap (and it is ok, it IS cheap). 35/1.8, 85/1.8 etc.

For 60-250F4, Pentax just needs to change the name from DA to DFA, then done.

thibs · 02-02-2016, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by starjedi

For 60-250F4, Pentax just needs to change the name from DA to DFA, then done.

Not according to most comments (not mine, I don't have it).

starjedi · 02-02-2016, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Not according to most comments (not mine, I don't have it).

I see. Not full 35mm circle... Might just need a very small tweak...

Val.Ou · 02-02-2016, 12:20 PM - **1 Like**

I think we can wait for a HD* 85/1,4. A rebadged HD 50/1,4 or may be 1,2.

02-02-2016, 10:55 AM	#524
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by thibs Not according to most comments (not mine, I don't have it). I see. Not full 35mm circle... Might just need a very small tweak... Last edited by starjedi; 02-02-2016 at 01:33 PM.

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02-02-2016, 06:37 AM	#511
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by kenspo Still doesn't like that some spell my name wrong..haha Kens--pro.. seems to be a cool name :-) Anyway, since Pentax did not patents for 15-30 or FF primes in last 5-6 years, it is very likely that 1) 15-30 is similar to 24-70, which has co-works with Tamron. I think it is a very smart step. Thinking about the price of Canon and Nikon for the similar lens, Pentaxians can buy 15-30 and 24-70 with half of the price, but same or even better IQ! Tamron 15-30 is an excellent lens. 2)FF primes sound to come from old primes + new coatings + DC/SDM. Cannot wait to see new 50 1.2, 85 1.4 and 135 1.8...

02-02-2016, 06:44 AM - 1 Like	#512
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	15-30 will be rebranded Tamron, just like 24-70

02-02-2016, 06:46 AM - 2 Likes	#513
Hattifnatt Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Bucharest Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,625	I would like to see something similar to my SMC DA 15mm Limited on FF - I am already thinking of purchasing the FA 20mm f2.8, I found one almost new. Also, I have the Sigma 35mm Art and I've recently acquired the FA 77 and FA 43, so if they release some new primes I would like them to be 50, 85, 135 etc.

02-02-2016, 07:00 AM	#514
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Hattifnatt so if they release some new primes I would like them to be 50, 85, 135 etc. I honestly can't see them NOT releasing a 50mm D-FA (non-macro) prime, unless they decided to go retro and chose 55mm instead. Hey, it's Pentax; they do stuff like that. Though frankly my bet is for 50mm, as releasing a fast D-FA 55 might undercut the 55mm DA*. They could always do something really weird and go all the way to 58mm, but I doubt it. What remains to be seen is the exact nature of the build - will it just be an upmarket DA50/1.8 (Quick shift, metal mount, WR and possibly DC), or will they also/instead give us some really classy, uber-expensive f/1.2 or f/1.4 bokeh monster?

02-02-2016, 07:12 AM	#515
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	Originally posted by pathdoc I honestly can't see them NOT releasing a 50mm D-FA (non-macro) prime, unless they decided to go retro and chose 55mm instead. Hey, it's Pentax; they do stuff like that. Though frankly my bet is for 50mm, as releasing a fast D-FA 55 might undercut the 55mm DA. Apparently the DA 55mm already covers the full frame circle, but if I remember correctly the current hood might cause vignetting on FF. My thought is (I think I might have said this upthread): give it HD coatings, a faster DC focus motor (the DA* is said to have a slow AF motor) and ship it with two different hoods (the current one and one for FF). Presto - great normal prime for FF plus revamped portrait APS-C lens... I somehow doubt it will happen in the near term though. We're more likely to see a 15-30mm F/2.8 (rebadged Tamron) first, IMHO.

02-02-2016, 07:17 AM	#516
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by kenspo 15-30 will be rebranded Tamron, just like 24-70 Excellent. Tamron is around $1200. Pentax version (with upgrade on coating) should be similar (as 24-70), much cheaper than canon, Nikon version.... So it is really a budget wide angle lens with fantastic IQ! (Made in Japan also instead of Vitenam!)

02-02-2016, 07:18 AM	#517
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by kenspo But I'm one of the first in line when they start the shipping Post an un-boxing video pls, when you are allowed to. Beat the rush.

02-02-2016, 08:30 AM	#518
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Doundounba We're more likely to see a 15-30mm F/2.8 (rebadged Tamron) first, IMHO. Yeah, I think they want to get a Pentax zoom holy trinity out there quickly - at the very least a dynamic duo (24-70/70-200) for pro photographers with cash to burn who want to walk out the store ready to rock.

02-02-2016, 08:41 AM	#519
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Which seems logical to me. I hope they won't forget pro/prosumer f/4 zooms too (and not constructed like a DA16-45 bit like a real pro zoom).

02-02-2016, 08:45 AM	#520
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by thibs Which seems logical to me. I hope they won't forget pro/prosumer f/4 zooms too (and not constructed like a DA16-45 bit like a real pro zoom). Like the DA* 60-250/4 but 35mm image circle?

02-02-2016, 08:58 AM	#521
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by bertwert Like the DA* 60-250/4 but 35mm image circle? Yep, along those lines. A bit better range than the f/2.8 zooms and affordable (no, not cheap). Dunno, something as: - DFA 24-80 or -90/4 - DFA 70-200 or better 60-250/4 (but real FF this time). And then a range of affordable 1.8 primes à la Nikon but good construction. 50/1.8 is excellent but construction is cheap (and it is ok, it IS cheap). 35/1.8, 85/1.8 etc.

02-02-2016, 09:40 AM	#522
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by thibs Yep, along those lines. A bit better range than the f/2.8 zooms and affordable (no, not cheap). Dunno, something as: - DFA 24-80 or -90/4 - DFA 70-200 or better 60-250/4 (but real FF this time). And then a range of affordable 1.8 primes à la Nikon but good construction. 50/1.8 is excellent but construction is cheap (and it is ok, it IS cheap). 35/1.8, 85/1.8 etc. For 60-250F4, Pentax just needs to change the name from DA to DFA, then done.

02-02-2016, 09:59 AM	#523
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by starjedi For 60-250F4, Pentax just needs to change the name from DA to DFA, then done. Not according to most comments (not mine, I don't have it).

02-02-2016, 12:20 PM - 1 Like	#525
Val.Ou Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Near Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 39	I think we can wait for a HD* 85/1,4. A rebadged HD 50/1,4 or may be 1,2.