Final Countdown to Feb 25th 2016 (CP+ 2016)

**RobA_Oz** · 02-04-2016, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by LilithBaerchen

I just hope they will offer a nice bundle-price together with the 24-70 f2.8 - if, then my willpower will be broken and I´m "all-in" and will forget - just for a few mousclicks - how much money it is and hope my girlfriend meant it as she said, when she told me "Do what you want."

"Do what you want?" Sounds like Satan is alive and living with you…

PS: We had a running joke in high school that went something like "Get thee behind me, Satan, and push!" I don't think we had buying cameras in mind, though.

starjedi · 02-04-2016, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

"Do what you want?" Sounds like Satan is alive and living with you…

PS: We had a running joke in high school that went something like "Get thee behind me, Satan, and push!" I don't think we had buying cameras in mind, though.

24-70 2.8 is around $1200. If the kit price is $3500, will it be deal breaker ? Keep in mind, 5d mark iii + 24-70 f4($850) is $3300 at bhphoto at this moment.

kenspo · 02-04-2016, 03:32 PM - **3 Likes**

5D Mark III is also 4 years old. None of you know the prices yet, so wait until you actually know! And what you get before complaining on prices..

btnapa · 02-04-2016, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by starjedi

24-70 2.8 is around $1200. If the kit price is $3000, will it be deal breaker ? Keep in mind, 5d mark iii + 24-70 f4($850) is $3300 at bhphoto at this moment.

Let's say the combo is $3K or close to it. At that price it will be a far superior camera to the 5DMKIII. And the Pentax 24-70 f2.8 (Tamron) is a stop faster and possibly better optic than the Canon 24-70 f4. Is the Canon IS (VR)? If not, then the Pentax has another advantage.

starjedi · 02-04-2016, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by kenspo

5D Mark III is also 4 years old. None of you know the prices yet, so wait until you actually know! And what you get before complaining on prices..

I use mark3 as example because it's current market price is $2500, close to k-1 rumored price :-)

reh321 · 02-04-2016, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by btnapa

Let's say the combo is $3K or close to it. At that price it will be a far superior camera to the 5DMKIII. And the Pentax 24-70 f2.8 (Tamron) is a stop faster and possibly better optic than the Canon 24-70 f4. Is the Canon IS (VR)? If not, then the Pentax has another advantage.

As far as I am aware, Canon pushes all IS to the lenses (I've never seen a Canon IS body)

btnapa · 02-04-2016, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by reh321

As far as I am aware, Canon pushes all IS to the lenses (I've never seen a Canon IS body)

You are right. I should have said the lens being IS. I assumed people will know I am talking about the lens not the body. My bad if what I said caused confusion.

starjedi · 02-04-2016, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by btnapa

You are right. I should have said the lens being IS. I assumed people will know I am talking about the lens not the body. My bad if what I said caused confusion.

Wanna to say:

For people, who buy sony pro E mount lenses, they essentially paid extra for a genuine Sony A to E mount adapter installed at the rear of lenses for every pro lens.
For people, who buy Canon/Nikon pro level lenses, they essentially paid extra for IS for every pro lens.

They did not realized how funny they are:-)

LilithBaerchen · 02-05-2016, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

I've generally found through bad experience that that statement does not mean at all what you think it means.

Well at first I thought the same, but then... she has to that it´s dangerous to leave a space for interpretation in answers like this

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

"Do what you want?" Sounds like Satan is alive and living with you…

PS: We had a running joke in high school that went something like "Get thee behind me, Satan, and push!" I don't think we had buying cameras in mind, though.

Hu? I don´t understand this one?!

Originally posted by btnapa

Let's say the combo is $3K or close to it. At that price it will be a far superior camera to the 5DMKIII. And the Pentax 24-70 f2.8 (Tamron) is a stop faster and possibly better optic than the Canon 24-70 f4. Is the Canon IS (VR)? If not, then the Pentax has another advantage.

I hope we will see a price around the 3k€ otherwise I have to sell some of my APS-C glass, and I really don´t want to sell them

Well whatever - all we can do is wait and hope (and freak out in strange discussions about features we want

).

rawr · 02-05-2016, 12:41 AM

These late stages of the Pentax FF story are hard to endure.

Goddammit Pentax, hurry it up already.

**jbinpg** · 02-05-2016, 12:42 AM

Respectfully, rawr, they have been hard to endure for years now...

Dan Rentea · 02-05-2016, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by btnapa

Let's say the combo is $3K or close to it. At that price it will be a far superior camera to the 5DMKIII. And the Pentax 24-70 f2.8 (Tamron) is a stop faster and possibly better optic than the Canon 24-70 f4. Is the Canon IS (VR)? If not, then the Pentax has another advantage.

Canon 24-70mm f4L has 4 stops image stabilisation on the lens, it's weather and dust resistant and has a semi macro mode with a 0.7x magnification. Pentax however is one stop faster, but it's bigger and 187g heavier. I'm not sure wich is better optical because I haven't touched the Pentax lens.

I do hope Pentax full frame will be a superior camera to 5D Mark III and I do hope it's at least the same in terms of performance as Nikon D810 which is an impressive camera.

kooks · 02-05-2016, 12:47 AM

gazonk · 02-05-2016, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by zmohie

i thinks it will be 42mp.
it is logical that the first flagship to be 42mp or higher to compet with canon 50mp cameras and sony!!

At least it's hard to tell if it's more than 4 mp from those brutally downsampled samples on the preview site

**ffking** · 02-05-2016, 03:52 AM - **1 Like**

It's very tempting to get sucked into wanting 42mp because increasing mp is the way things seem to be going and as Pentax only normally produced one camera per category that will be it. 36mp might look a bit yesterday, behind the curve - not sexy enough to woo converts. It has also been argued that part of the reason for the delay was in order to use the 42mp sensor. But there are drawbacks. Most pcs more than 3-4 years old would struggle with 42mp pixel-shifted images - yes, I know that they are aiming at the pro market, but that won't pay the r&d costs. Also 36mp with good noise reduction should give a better dynamic range than 42mp - and with the pixel shift option where extra sharpness matters, it makes more sense. 42 mp reduces frame rate and number of images in the buffer, too. There's a big temptation to feel a sort of GO-PENTAX-GO! - but in the end my head says that 36mp with a pixel shift option would cover more bases more of the time.

02-04-2016, 03:21 PM	#602
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by RobA_Oz "Do what you want?" Sounds like Satan is alive and living with you… PS: We had a running joke in high school that went something like "Get thee behind me, Satan, and push!" I don't think we had buying cameras in mind, though. 24-70 2.8 is around $1200. If the kit price is $3500, will it be deal breaker ? Keep in mind, 5d mark iii + 24-70 f4($850) is $3300 at bhphoto at this moment. Last edited by starjedi; 02-04-2016 at 06:47 PM.

02-05-2016, 12:45 AM	#612
Dan Rentea Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Bucharest Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by btnapa Let's say the combo is $3K or close to it. At that price it will be a far superior camera to the 5DMKIII. And the Pentax 24-70 f2.8 (Tamron) is a stop faster and possibly better optic than the Canon 24-70 f4. Is the Canon IS (VR)? If not, then the Pentax has another advantage. Canon 24-70mm f4L has 4 stops image stabilisation on the lens, it's weather and dust resistant and has a semi macro mode with a 0.7x magnification. Pentax however is one stop faster, but it's bigger and 187g heavier. I'm not sure wich is better optical because I haven't touched the Pentax lens. I do hope Pentax full frame will be a superior camera to 5D Mark III and I do hope it's at least the same in terms of performance as Nikon D810 which is an impressive camera. Last edited by Dan Rentea; 02-05-2016 at 01:03 AM.

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02-04-2016, 02:51 PM	#601
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by LilithBaerchen I just hope they will offer a nice bundle-price together with the 24-70 f2.8 - if, then my willpower will be broken and I´m "all-in" and will forget - just for a few mousclicks - how much money it is and hope my girlfriend meant it as she said, when she told me "Do what you want." "Do what you want?" Sounds like Satan is alive and living with you… PS: We had a running joke in high school that went something like "Get thee behind me, Satan, and push!" I don't think we had buying cameras in mind, though.

02-04-2016, 03:32 PM - 3 Likes	#603
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	5D Mark III is also 4 years old. None of you know the prices yet, so wait until you actually know! And what you get before complaining on prices..

02-04-2016, 03:48 PM	#604
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,621	Originally posted by starjedi 24-70 2.8 is around $1200. If the kit price is $3000, will it be deal breaker ? Keep in mind, 5d mark iii + 24-70 f4($850) is $3300 at bhphoto at this moment. Let's say the combo is $3K or close to it. At that price it will be a far superior camera to the 5DMKIII. And the Pentax 24-70 f2.8 (Tamron) is a stop faster and possibly better optic than the Canon 24-70 f4. Is the Canon IS (VR)? If not, then the Pentax has another advantage.

02-04-2016, 03:59 PM	#605
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by kenspo 5D Mark III is also 4 years old. None of you know the prices yet, so wait until you actually know! And what you get before complaining on prices.. I use mark3 as example because it's current market price is $2500, close to k-1 rumored price :-)

02-04-2016, 04:06 PM	#606
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by btnapa Let's say the combo is $3K or close to it. At that price it will be a far superior camera to the 5DMKIII. And the Pentax 24-70 f2.8 (Tamron) is a stop faster and possibly better optic than the Canon 24-70 f4. Is the Canon IS (VR)? If not, then the Pentax has another advantage. As far as I am aware, Canon pushes all IS to the lenses (I've never seen a Canon IS body)

02-04-2016, 04:18 PM	#607
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,621	Originally posted by reh321 As far as I am aware, Canon pushes all IS to the lenses (I've never seen a Canon IS body) You are right. I should have said the lens being IS. I assumed people will know I am talking about the lens not the body. My bad if what I said caused confusion.

02-04-2016, 06:51 PM	#608
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by btnapa You are right. I should have said the lens being IS. I assumed people will know I am talking about the lens not the body. My bad if what I said caused confusion. Wanna to say: For people, who buy sony pro E mount lenses, they essentially paid extra for a genuine Sony A to E mount adapter installed at the rear of lenses for every pro lens. For people, who buy Canon/Nikon pro level lenses, they essentially paid extra for IS for every pro lens. They did not realized how funny they are:-)

02-05-2016, 12:29 AM	#609
LilithBaerchen Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 80	Originally posted by jatrax I've generally found through bad experience that that statement does not mean at all what you think it means. Well at first I thought the same, but then... she has to that it´s dangerous to leave a space for interpretation in answers like this Originally posted by RobA_Oz "Do what you want?" Sounds like Satan is alive and living with you… PS: We had a running joke in high school that went something like "Get thee behind me, Satan, and push!" I don't think we had buying cameras in mind, though. Hu? I don´t understand this one?! Originally posted by btnapa Let's say the combo is $3K or close to it. At that price it will be a far superior camera to the 5DMKIII. And the Pentax 24-70 f2.8 (Tamron) is a stop faster and possibly better optic than the Canon 24-70 f4. Is the Canon IS (VR)? If not, then the Pentax has another advantage. I hope we will see a price around the 3k€ otherwise I have to sell some of my APS-C glass, and I really don´t want to sell them Well whatever - all we can do is wait and hope (and freak out in strange discussions about features we want ).

02-05-2016, 12:41 AM	#610
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	These late stages of the Pentax FF story are hard to endure. Goddammit Pentax, hurry it up already.

02-05-2016, 12:42 AM	#611
jbinpg Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Prince George, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,546	Respectfully, rawr, they have been hard to endure for years now...

02-05-2016, 12:47 AM	#613
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02-05-2016, 01:58 AM	#614
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by zmohie i thinks it will be 42mp. it is logical that the first flagship to be 42mp or higher to compet with canon 50mp cameras and sony!! At least it's hard to tell if it's more than 4 mp from those brutally downsampled samples on the preview site

02-05-2016, 03:52 AM - 1 Like	#615
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,039	It's very tempting to get sucked into wanting 42mp because increasing mp is the way things seem to be going and as Pentax only normally produced one camera per category that will be it. 36mp might look a bit yesterday, behind the curve - not sexy enough to woo converts. It has also been argued that part of the reason for the delay was in order to use the 42mp sensor. But there are drawbacks. Most pcs more than 3-4 years old would struggle with 42mp pixel-shifted images - yes, I know that they are aiming at the pro market, but that won't pay the r&d costs. Also 36mp with good noise reduction should give a better dynamic range than 42mp - and with the pixel shift option where extra sharpness matters, it makes more sense. 42 mp reduces frame rate and number of images in the buffer, too. There's a big temptation to feel a sort of GO-PENTAX-GO! - but in the end my head says that 36mp with a pixel shift option would cover more bases more of the time.