Final Countdown to Feb 25th 2016 (CP+ 2016)

pathdoc · 02-05-2016, 09:46 AM

I think (or at least I hope!) we can accept that this is just the opinion of one enthusiast who has used the Pentax FF for themselves. If Pentax themselves promised this and it did not deliver, you would definitely have a point.

**jatrax** · 02-05-2016, 11:02 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by pathdoc

I think (or at least I hope!) we can accept that this is just the opinion of one enthusiast who has used the Pentax FF for themselves. If Pentax themselves promised this and it did not deliver, you would definitely have a point.

The problem is the forum will not make that distinction and the camera will be wildly criticized for not delivering on the expected features. The fact that those "features" and expectations were nothing more than fairy tales made up (intentionally or otherwise) by people who have nothing to do with Ricoh will be forgotten.

This has happened before, the k-3 rumors were exaggerated to the point that it was supposed to put all other camera companies out of business. Despite the fact that it was (arguably) the best APS-C DSLR made at the time, it was a huge disappointment to many because it was not the camera the rumor mongers made it out to be.

pathdoc · 02-05-2016, 11:26 AM

There's a difference between rumour-mongers who haven't held the thing and those in the know who have shot with it and let their enthusiasm go to their head, but I agree that far too many people cannot sort out the difference, nor the difference between what we WANT from the camera and what we seriously EXPECT.

I would be quite happy with a full-frame K-5 that (as we have already seen and well know) has a somewhat different control layout and handles DA-only lenses in a user-friendly manner. That is the level of my serious expectation, and if it's beaten then I shall be well pleased. My hopes and dreams extend to base ISO of fifty or lower, true TTL flash and resurrection of the aperture linkage, but I'm not going to throw a foot-stamping hissy fit or cry "Pentax is doomed!" if I don't get them.

**jatrax** · 02-05-2016, 11:49 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by pathdoc

There's a difference between rumour-mongers who haven't held the thing and those in the know who have shot with it and let their enthusiasm go to their head,

How do we tell the difference? AFAIK, NO ONE, has actually shot with it and said so. A few have seen it in the case, at least one says they have held it and turned the knobs, a few say they are in the loop for info. But it seems (as always) the more someone actually knows the less they say. Despite the hyperbole, this is really calm compared to the expectations seen here from other launches. I just would not want what should be a wonderful experience to be soured because of unrealistic dreams.

Like you, all I want is a good, honest camera that works well with k-mount and allows me to work without the camera getting in the way. Just like a k-3. Anything else is icing on the cake.

**ffking** · 02-05-2016, 11:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jatrax

Like you, all I want is a good, honest camera that works well with k-mount and allows me to work without the camera getting in the way.

+++ it's a working tool, not a piece of jewellery or gadget - top priority is what you say

starjedi · 02-05-2016, 11:58 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pathdoc

I think (or at least I hope!) we can accept that this is just the opinion of one enthusiast who has used the Pentax FF for themselves. If Pentax themselves promised this and it did not deliver, you would definitely have a point.

All about pricing. Pentax can definitely produce a camera better than 810 from every aspect but the final price might be well above d810 to cover the cost...

cfraz · 02-05-2016, 12:52 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by thibs

Or even 8" floppies

Single or double density?

If it comes with a paper tape punch for storage, I'm buying it. 😏

bilybianca · 02-05-2016, 12:59 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ffking

+++ it's a working tool, not a piece of jewellery or gadget

Bah, next thing you'll say Santa isn't for real, the Green Gigant is just made up for marketing and even the tooth fairy doesn't exist! Come back to reality, Pentax isn't a tool, it's a religion!

(I'll go sit in the corner, but I still want one)

Kjell

**jatrax** · 02-05-2016, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by pathdoc

Someone just told me, possibly jokingly, that the interface was a 1.44MB diskette.

That would have been the Sony Mavica:

You Tube

crussellsprout · 02-05-2016, 02:10 PM

Oh yeah, I think our high school had one of those floppy disk Mavica's or something similar.

I remember getting my first digital camera not long after that...a FujiFilm FinePix 1300 with a whopping 1.3MP! Here's an old shot from that lowly thing

BrianL · 02-05-2016, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by cfraz

Single or double density?

If it comes with a paper tape punch for storage, I'm buying it. 😏

I was going to go with PDP 11 disks,or cassettes but clearly punched cards are it.
Brian

OTH · 02-05-2016, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by starjedi

All about pricing. Pentax can definitely produce a camera better than 810 from every aspect but the final price might be well above d810 to cover the cost...

It doesn't matter how cheap or how good the 35mm will be. The only fact is imo that it is 10 years too late ! Whatever Pentax will try to get into the 35mm market, it will be an epic fail. A 35mm digital Cam without an existing portfolio of actual lenses is another no-go for this system. Pentax is able for APS-C and is able for medium-format, but they aren't for 35mm. I wonder that Pentax is doing such a myth-story around the 35mm as if they would re-invent the wheel.

rawr · 02-05-2016, 02:43 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by OTH

Whatever Pentax will try to get into the 35mm market, it will be an epic fail. A 35mm digital Cam without an existing portfolio of actual lenses is another no-go for this system.

1/10. Got me to reply. In future, put more effort in.

zmohie · 02-05-2016, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by OTH

It doesn't matter how cheap or how good the 35mm will be. The only fact is imo that it is 10 years too late ! Whatever Pentax will try to get into the 35mm market, it will be an epic fail. A 35mm digital Cam without an existing portfolio of actual lenses is another no-go for this system. Pentax is able for APS-C and is able for medium-format, but they aren't for 35mm. I wonder that Pentax is doing such a myth-story around the 35mm as if they would re-invent the wheel.

What about Sony which is building a new system from scratch?
All what Pentax need are 3 famous lenses:
12 _24.24-70.70-200.
We got 24-70 and soon dfa 70-200 then 15-30.

deus ursus · 02-05-2016, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by cfraz

Single or double density?

If it comes with a paper tape punch for storage, I'm buying it. 😏

Yeah, that'd be cool! Imagine taking wildlife shots: "Click tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-tata-tap-tap-tap ..." (or whatever sound those tape punch machines were making)

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02-05-2016, 09:46 AM	#661
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	I think (or at least I hope!) we can accept that this is just the opinion of one enthusiast who has used the Pentax FF for themselves. If Pentax themselves promised this and it did not deliver, you would definitely have a point.

02-05-2016, 11:02 AM - 2 Likes	#662
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by pathdoc I think (or at least I hope!) we can accept that this is just the opinion of one enthusiast who has used the Pentax FF for themselves. If Pentax themselves promised this and it did not deliver, you would definitely have a point. The problem is the forum will not make that distinction and the camera will be wildly criticized for not delivering on the expected features. The fact that those "features" and expectations were nothing more than fairy tales made up (intentionally or otherwise) by people who have nothing to do with Ricoh will be forgotten. This has happened before, the k-3 rumors were exaggerated to the point that it was supposed to put all other camera companies out of business. Despite the fact that it was (arguably) the best APS-C DSLR made at the time, it was a huge disappointment to many because it was not the camera the rumor mongers made it out to be.

02-05-2016, 11:26 AM	#663
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	There's a difference between rumour-mongers who haven't held the thing and those in the know who have shot with it and let their enthusiasm go to their head, but I agree that far too many people cannot sort out the difference, nor the difference between what we WANT from the camera and what we seriously EXPECT. I would be quite happy with a full-frame K-5 that (as we have already seen and well know) has a somewhat different control layout and handles DA-only lenses in a user-friendly manner. That is the level of my serious expectation, and if it's beaten then I shall be well pleased. My hopes and dreams extend to base ISO of fifty or lower, true TTL flash and resurrection of the aperture linkage, but I'm not going to throw a foot-stamping hissy fit or cry "Pentax is doomed!" if I don't get them.

02-05-2016, 11:49 AM - 2 Likes	#664
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by pathdoc There's a difference between rumour-mongers who haven't held the thing and those in the know who have shot with it and let their enthusiasm go to their head, How do we tell the difference? AFAIK, NO ONE, has actually shot with it and said so. A few have seen it in the case, at least one says they have held it and turned the knobs, a few say they are in the loop for info. But it seems (as always) the more someone actually knows the less they say. Despite the hyperbole, this is really calm compared to the expectations seen here from other launches. I just would not want what should be a wonderful experience to be soured because of unrealistic dreams. Like you, all I want is a good, honest camera that works well with k-mount and allows me to work without the camera getting in the way. Just like a k-3. Anything else is icing on the cake.

02-05-2016, 11:57 AM - 1 Like	#665
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by jatrax Like you, all I want is a good, honest camera that works well with k-mount and allows me to work without the camera getting in the way. +++ it's a working tool, not a piece of jewellery or gadget - top priority is what you say

02-05-2016, 11:58 AM - 1 Like	#666
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by pathdoc I think (or at least I hope!) we can accept that this is just the opinion of one enthusiast who has used the Pentax FF for themselves. If Pentax themselves promised this and it did not deliver, you would definitely have a point. All about pricing. Pentax can definitely produce a camera better than 810 from every aspect but the final price might be well above d810 to cover the cost...

02-05-2016, 12:52 PM - 1 Like	#667
cfraz Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 521	Originally posted by thibs Or even 8" floppies Single or double density? If it comes with a paper tape punch for storage, I'm buying it. 😏

02-05-2016, 12:59 PM - 1 Like	#668
bilybianca Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hassleholm, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 334	Originally posted by ffking +++ it's a working tool, not a piece of jewellery or gadget Bah, next thing you'll say Santa isn't for real, the Green Gigant is just made up for marketing and even the tooth fairy doesn't exist! Come back to reality, Pentax isn't a tool, it's a religion! (I'll go sit in the corner, but I still want one) Kjell

02-05-2016, 02:10 PM	#670
crussellsprout Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 60	Oh yeah, I think our high school had one of those floppy disk Mavica's or something similar. I remember getting my first digital camera not long after that...a FujiFilm FinePix 1300 with a whopping 1.3MP! Here's an old shot from that lowly thing

02-05-2016, 02:15 PM	#671
BrianL Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 38	Originally posted by cfraz Single or double density? If it comes with a paper tape punch for storage, I'm buying it. 😏 I was going to go with PDP 11 disks,or cassettes but clearly punched cards are it. Brian

02-05-2016, 02:20 PM	#672
OTH Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 42	Originally posted by starjedi All about pricing. Pentax can definitely produce a camera better than 810 from every aspect but the final price might be well above d810 to cover the cost... It doesn't matter how cheap or how good the 35mm will be. The only fact is imo that it is 10 years too late ! Whatever Pentax will try to get into the 35mm market, it will be an epic fail. A 35mm digital Cam without an existing portfolio of actual lenses is another no-go for this system. Pentax is able for APS-C and is able for medium-format, but they aren't for 35mm. I wonder that Pentax is doing such a myth-story around the 35mm as if they would re-invent the wheel.

02-05-2016, 02:43 PM - 3 Likes	#673
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by OTH Whatever Pentax will try to get into the 35mm market, it will be an epic fail. A 35mm digital Cam without an existing portfolio of actual lenses is another no-go for this system. 1/10. Got me to reply. In future, put more effort in.

02-05-2016, 03:11 PM	#674
zmohie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: egypt Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 435	Originally posted by OTH It doesn't matter how cheap or how good the 35mm will be. The only fact is imo that it is 10 years too late ! Whatever Pentax will try to get into the 35mm market, it will be an epic fail. A 35mm digital Cam without an existing portfolio of actual lenses is another no-go for this system. Pentax is able for APS-C and is able for medium-format, but they aren't for 35mm. I wonder that Pentax is doing such a myth-story around the 35mm as if they would re-invent the wheel. What about Sony which is building a new system from scratch? All what Pentax need are 3 famous lenses: 12 _24.24-70.70-200. We got 24-70 and soon dfa 70-200 then 15-30.

02-05-2016, 03:22 PM	#675
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 658	Originally posted by cfraz Single or double density? If it comes with a paper tape punch for storage, I'm buying it. 😏 Yeah, that'd be cool! Imagine taking wildlife shots: "Click tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-tata-tap-tap-tap ..." (or whatever sound those tape punch machines were making)