New Day New Rumor FF Slide (no rice)

**mwilky55** · 10-15-2015, 05:22 PM

Don't know, NZ....for me the rumors stopped being fun a while ago. Now they are just tiresome.

JPT · 10-15-2015, 05:25 PM - **5 Likes**

I'd like to congratulate everyone on being able to speak their own language better than Japanese camera engineers can speak their second language.

I'd be really impressed if you can now learn to speak Japanese and how to design a camera.

pinholecam · 10-15-2015, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by JPT

I'm going to say this is believable.

If this is in fact a leaked internal slide, I don't see anything that would indicate it was a fake. The language issues are pretty typical of Japanese. Most slides are not sent out to professional translators, and even when you do they could easily come back looking like that. If they haven't got to the stage of making publicity material, they could easily paste in placeholder images for an internal document.

Some of the things on that slide are not obvious, and not something the average internet troll would invent, but believable for Pentax. I mean the 645-related items. 645 is a persuasive argument for landscape photographers in Japan. A lot of them use a 645n, but also have a Canikon full frame for convenience.

This slide is just about things relevant to resolution, so i'd be really interested to see other slides from that set.

Coincidentally, my Japanese colleague (who uses Pentax) had mentioned about 3wks ago that some news will be released on 16Oct (instead of the 6th that was previously mentioned).
I wrote that off since he was the only guy who mentioned it, but he can access Japanese photo forums, so perhaps there is more such info there.

The slides are possible, since it can be for internal presentation to English speaking distros.

JPT · 10-15-2015, 05:32 PM - **5 Likes**

Sorry to be up-tight, but I deal with this every day - really smart people's ideas not being taken seriously because they aren't expressed in perfect English. :-)

aleonx3 · 10-15-2015, 06:02 PM

Having been to Japan quite frequently in the last little while and understanding the culture there (many translations are not taken seriously), I would not count it out as fake but rather optimistic that some of that may come true in the upcoming release of FF. I would just patiently waiting to see what happens.

**monochrome** · 10-15-2015, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by JPT

Sorry to be up-tight, but I deal with this every day - really smart people's ideas not being taken seriously because they aren't expressed in perfect English. :-)

(As asked on the other thread) What if this is an extremely dry form of viral marketing - some wag at Corporate having a go at RH?

**Fontan** · 10-15-2015, 06:33 PM - **1 Like**

I cannot take this any more! Somebody come cut my throat please! Put me out of my misery! We need more threads like this!

**Biff** · 10-15-2015, 06:55 PM

Thank you JPT.

mee · 10-15-2015, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by pinholecam

Coincidentally, my Japanese colleague (who uses Pentax) had mentioned about 3wks ago that some news will be released on 16Oct (instead of the 6th that was previously mentioned).
I wrote that off since he was the only guy who mentioned it, but he can access Japanese photo forums, so perhaps there is more such info there.

The slides are possible, since it can be for internal presentation to English speaking distros.

Yet would they steal the graphic from Foveon website and slap it on their slide.. internal or not?

If this is real and thus how they go about business internally I would be afraid.. because it is sloppy at best. They even left the d on the next line for 'Correspond' -- come on!

Danaher Dempsey · 10-15-2015, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by pathdoc

It's currently called "pixel shift", and is featured on none other than our humble K3-II. Any attempt to shift the sensor and pixel-stitch to create a larger image is going to fall foul of the upper limit set by the full-frame lens image circle. Whether that can somehow be solved by putting medium-format lenses on the K-mount via an adapter of some sort is a question I can't answer, but AFAIK it would need a completely new set of lens designs to really take advantage of such an "inverse crop" feature. And that means the rebadged Tammy 24-75 is practically obsolete before it gets out the door.

---------- Post added 15-10-15 at 17:02 ----------

Pentax vs SoCaNikon cage match - four makers enter, one maker leaves.

Originally posted by pathdoc

Pentax vs SoCaNikon cage match - four makers enter, one maker leaves.

Great idea ... and it can be held in SoCal.

Kiwipixter · 10-15-2015, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by mee

Yet would they steal the graphic from Foveon website and slap it on their slide.. internal or not?

If this is real and thus how they go about business internally I would be afraid.. because it is sloppy at best. They even left the d on the next line for 'Correspond' -- come on!

I work in sales and marketing, and I have seen product manager's (and sales people) using graphics unrelated to what they are presenting. At best, graphics are usually used to make the presentation slides prettier to look at, more impact and less wordy, rather than be an accurate representation of the topic.

So the wrong sensor type graphic used for this FF slide, whilst sloppy, it can still illustrate the topic, that it is a sensor-based feature "3 Layers Composition" and "Super resolution created by SR".

mee · 10-15-2015, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Kiwipixter

I work in sales and marketing, and I have seen product manager's (and sales people) using graphics unrelated to what they are presenting. At best, graphics are usually used to make the presentation slides prettier to look at, more impact and less wordy, rather than be an accurate representation of the topic.

So the wrong sensor type graphic used for this FF slide, whilst sloppy, it can still illustrate the topic, that it is a sensor-based feature "3 Layers Composition" and "Super resolution created by SR".

..by using your competitors graphic for their competing product?

Adam · 10-15-2015, 08:36 PM

Definitely photoshopped.

Parallax · 10-15-2015, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Adam

Definitely photoshopped.

Poorly photoshopped.

Kiwipixter · 10-15-2015, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by mee

..by using your competitors graphic for their competing product?

Not intentionally, a lot of googled images are used without the user's knowledge that they are competitors. I haven seen this before.

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10-15-2015, 05:22 PM	#61
mwilky55 Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southeastern Connecticut Photos: Albums Posts: 816	Don't know, NZ....for me the rumors stopped being fun a while ago. Now they are just tiresome.

10-15-2015, 05:25 PM - 5 Likes	#62
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	I'd like to congratulate everyone on being able to speak their own language better than Japanese camera engineers can speak their second language. I'd be really impressed if you can now learn to speak Japanese and how to design a camera.

10-15-2015, 05:31 PM	#63
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Originally posted by JPT I'm going to say this is believable. If this is in fact a leaked internal slide, I don't see anything that would indicate it was a fake. The language issues are pretty typical of Japanese. Most slides are not sent out to professional translators, and even when you do they could easily come back looking like that. If they haven't got to the stage of making publicity material, they could easily paste in placeholder images for an internal document. Some of the things on that slide are not obvious, and not something the average internet troll would invent, but believable for Pentax. I mean the 645-related items. 645 is a persuasive argument for landscape photographers in Japan. A lot of them use a 645n, but also have a Canikon full frame for convenience. This slide is just about things relevant to resolution, so i'd be really interested to see other slides from that set. Coincidentally, my Japanese colleague (who uses Pentax) had mentioned about 3wks ago that some news will be released on 16Oct (instead of the 6th that was previously mentioned). I wrote that off since he was the only guy who mentioned it, but he can access Japanese photo forums, so perhaps there is more such info there. The slides are possible, since it can be for internal presentation to English speaking distros.

10-15-2015, 05:32 PM - 5 Likes	#64
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Sorry to be up-tight, but I deal with this every day - really smart people's ideas not being taken seriously because they aren't expressed in perfect English. :-)

10-15-2015, 06:02 PM	#65
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Having been to Japan quite frequently in the last little while and understanding the culture there (many translations are not taken seriously), I would not count it out as fake but rather optimistic that some of that may come true in the upcoming release of FF. I would just patiently waiting to see what happens.

10-15-2015, 06:14 PM	#66
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by JPT Sorry to be up-tight, but I deal with this every day - really smart people's ideas not being taken seriously because they aren't expressed in perfect English. :-) (As asked on the other thread) What if this is an extremely dry form of viral marketing - some wag at Corporate having a go at RH?

10-15-2015, 06:33 PM - 1 Like	#67
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	I cannot take this any more! Somebody come cut my throat please! Put me out of my misery! We need more threads like this!

10-15-2015, 06:55 PM	#68
Biff Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SF Bay Area Photos: Albums Posts: 1,081	Thank you JPT.

10-15-2015, 07:16 PM	#69
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by pinholecam Coincidentally, my Japanese colleague (who uses Pentax) had mentioned about 3wks ago that some news will be released on 16Oct (instead of the 6th that was previously mentioned). I wrote that off since he was the only guy who mentioned it, but he can access Japanese photo forums, so perhaps there is more such info there. The slides are possible, since it can be for internal presentation to English speaking distros. Yet would they steal the graphic from Foveon website and slap it on their slide.. internal or not? If this is real and thus how they go about business internally I would be afraid.. because it is sloppy at best. They even left the d on the next line for 'Correspond' -- come on!

10-15-2015, 07:48 PM	#70
Danaher Dempsey Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 50	Originally posted by pathdoc It's currently called "pixel shift", and is featured on none other than our humble K3-II. Any attempt to shift the sensor and pixel-stitch to create a larger image is going to fall foul of the upper limit set by the full-frame lens image circle. Whether that can somehow be solved by putting medium-format lenses on the K-mount via an adapter of some sort is a question I can't answer, but AFAIK it would need a completely new set of lens designs to really take advantage of such an "inverse crop" feature. And that means the rebadged Tammy 24-75 is practically obsolete before it gets out the door. ---------- Post added 15-10-15 at 17:02 ---------- Pentax vs SoCaNikon cage match - four makers enter, one maker leaves. Originally posted by pathdoc Pentax vs SoCaNikon cage match - four makers enter, one maker leaves. Great idea ... and it can be held in SoCal.

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10-15-2015, 07:54 PM	#71
Kiwipixter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auckland Posts: 248	Originally posted by mee Yet would they steal the graphic from Foveon website and slap it on their slide.. internal or not? If this is real and thus how they go about business internally I would be afraid.. because it is sloppy at best. They even left the d on the next line for 'Correspond' -- come on! I work in sales and marketing, and I have seen product manager's (and sales people) using graphics unrelated to what they are presenting. At best, graphics are usually used to make the presentation slides prettier to look at, more impact and less wordy, rather than be an accurate representation of the topic. So the wrong sensor type graphic used for this FF slide, whilst sloppy, it can still illustrate the topic, that it is a sensor-based feature "3 Layers Composition" and "Super resolution created by SR".

10-15-2015, 08:35 PM	#72
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Kiwipixter I work in sales and marketing, and I have seen product manager's (and sales people) using graphics unrelated to what they are presenting. At best, graphics are usually used to make the presentation slides prettier to look at, more impact and less wordy, rather than be an accurate representation of the topic. So the wrong sensor type graphic used for this FF slide, whilst sloppy, it can still illustrate the topic, that it is a sensor-based feature "3 Layers Composition" and "Super resolution created by SR". ..by using your competitors graphic for their competing product?

10-15-2015, 08:38 PM	#74
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by Adam Definitely photoshopped. Poorly photoshopped.

10-15-2015, 08:56 PM	#75
Kiwipixter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auckland Posts: 248	Originally posted by mee ..by using your competitors graphic for their competing product? Not intentionally, a lot of googled images are used without the user's knowledge that they are competitors. I haven seen this before.