New Day New Rumor FF Slide (no rice)

goldenarrow · 10-15-2015, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by JPT

I'd like to congratulate everyone on being able to speak their own language better than Japanese camera engineers can speak their second language.

I'd be really impressed if you can now learn to speak Japanese and how to design a camera.

Yes, and on Star Trek, everyone in the galaxy speaks perfect English (even outside from Andromeda). How about that!!

So, as designing cameras is very a complicated task, so it must follow, that to learn to speak Japanese, is very complicated! (twisted, tortured logic which might be kind of true, like maybe parts of that fake slide...). Like the 645 adapter having AF capability, thereby drawing in the professionals whom Ricoh absolutely needs to make FF successful! I wonder what else they can do to build on the MF pros to help make FF useful in a larger ecosystem? How does one deliberately build a feeding-frenzy (up from APS-C and down from MF)?

Last edited by goldenarrow; 10-15-2015 at 09:12 PM.

mee · 10-15-2015, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by Kiwipixter

Not intentionally, a lot of googled images are used without the user's knowledge that they are competitors. I haven seen this before.

This is a niche item.. it would HAVE to be intentional... or at least known from where the source originated. How many other products use this technology?

zapp · 10-15-2015, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by NZ_Ross

I have to say, I am looking forward to the day we get the official Ricoh announcement of specifications...

Rumours are fun and all, but there is nothing like real information

I am looking forward to the day we can buy the camera in the shop.
Many things have been announced by Ricoh recently...like a 70-200, a FF camera (without specs I have to admit), ...

ultraviolet · 10-15-2015, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by goldenarrow

Yes, and on Star Trek, everyone in the galaxy speaks perfect English (even outside from Andromeda). How about that!!

I have seen Star Trek in Japan and they speak perfect Japanese, all of them even one from Andromeda.

RJH · 10-15-2015, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Biff

Thank you JPT.

Ditto

Kunzite · 10-16-2015, 12:48 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kiwipixter

Not intentionally, a lot of googled images are used without the user's knowledge that they are competitors. I haven seen this before.

By unintentionally avoiding to use your own images (much better suited than the Sigma Foveon ones - which are about a different technology)? Really?
PENTAX K-3 II | RICOH IMAGING

Come on, people, it's screaming 'fake'. This is not about some small detail or translation issue.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 10-16-2015, 12:51 AM

I don't know whether it's fake or not, but the specs are plausible (and would met my needs nicely). A lashed up slide for an internal presentation, translated into Engrish using Google...? Perhaps. I await developments with interest, while I save up my pennies for the real thing.

Kunzite · 10-16-2015, 01:09 AM

Well, I know it's fake. And sure, the specs looks plausible, because the bloke who made up this put what he thought to be plausible specs, things rumored and discussed on Internet forums or already implemented in previous products (Pentax or not). But he has no PowerPoint skills, and he knows nothing about the camera.

It's not like the cleaning lady suddenly decided to lash out a presentation for partners all over the world.

**Rondec** · 10-16-2015, 02:49 AM

Looks pretty fake to me. I have no idea about the specs and these aren't unreasonable, but that doesn't mean that Ricoh created this slide and I doubt they would/did.

D1N0 · 10-16-2015, 03:02 AM

If it is an internal slide they made a jolly mess of it.

pathdoc · 10-16-2015, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

If it is an internal slide they made a jolly mess of it

I agree - and that's what makes me think it's fake. The Japanese do not strike me as people who would make a slapdash job of something as important as this, even in-house. At the most basic level, as a knock-up first draft, perhaps - but then it would still be in Japanese. Certainly not as an in-house presentation to others, and MOST certainly not to ANYONE outside of Ricoh Japan. And as I've said before, the phraseology of the "Engrish" makes me suspect, on the basis of previous exposure, that the first language of the author is Mandarin Chinese.

H. Sapiens · 10-16-2015, 04:17 AM

If this is real, they need to hire a student assistant ASAP!

(And no, it is not real. It cannot be. Please...)

dafbp · 10-16-2015, 04:51 AM

Originally posted by mee

Thanks just started working here again too. I think they had a little outage.

What is amazing, I guess it shouldn't be by now, to me is anyone can come up with some random graphic or rumor and it is instantly discussed in multiple page threads here.

That makes it official: Pentax FF fans are faker-fodder. (ff pun not intended)

I wonder if Pentax is using the delay caused by K-3 rework to improve on the FF?
If the specs are fixed, they could release some of them. The others won't follow numbers (well, Canon did follow the 645...)

bxf · 10-16-2015, 05:01 AM

I can't help but wonder which is more stupid: the idea that this image is genuine, or the idea that this image can be passed off as genuine.

Neither appear to me to be plausible.

6BQ5 · 10-16-2015, 06:13 AM

Everyone keeps screaming fake here because the slide looks kind of goofy. I've put together many, many presentations. Sometimes it's good to simply lay everything out real quick and dirty to show the general concept. Now you have something you can take to a coworker and talk about. If the presentation concept looks good then you go back and take it from 30-50% quality to 80% before another review. Don't confuse very rough draft with fake.

With that said, this very well could be a fake slide created by an anonymous nobody looking to stir up trouble. But, what would be the point?

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10-15-2015, 08:58 PM	#76
goldenarrow Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Suburbs. Photos: Gallery Posts: 501	Originally posted by JPT I'd like to congratulate everyone on being able to speak their own language better than Japanese camera engineers can speak their second language. I'd be really impressed if you can now learn to speak Japanese and how to design a camera. Yes, and on Star Trek, everyone in the galaxy speaks perfect English (even outside from Andromeda). How about that!! So, as designing cameras is very a complicated task, so it must follow, that to learn to speak Japanese, is very complicated! (twisted, tortured logic which might be kind of true, like maybe parts of that fake slide...). Like the 645 adapter having AF capability, thereby drawing in the professionals whom Ricoh absolutely needs to make FF successful! I wonder what else they can do to build on the MF pros to help make FF useful in a larger ecosystem? How does one deliberately build a feeding-frenzy (up from APS-C and down from MF)? Last edited by goldenarrow; 10-15-2015 at 09:12 PM.

10-15-2015, 09:05 PM	#77
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Kiwipixter Not intentionally, a lot of googled images are used without the user's knowledge that they are competitors. I haven seen this before. This is a niche item.. it would HAVE to be intentional... or at least known from where the source originated. How many other products use this technology?

10-15-2015, 10:12 PM	#78
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Originally posted by NZ_Ross I have to say, I am looking forward to the day we get the official Ricoh announcement of specifications... Rumours are fun and all, but there is nothing like real information I am looking forward to the day we can buy the camera in the shop. Many things have been announced by Ricoh recently...like a 70-200, a FF camera (without specs I have to admit), ...

10-15-2015, 10:17 PM	#79
ultraviolet Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 687	Originally posted by goldenarrow Yes, and on Star Trek, everyone in the galaxy speaks perfect English (even outside from Andromeda). How about that!! I have seen Star Trek in Japan and they speak perfect Japanese, all of them even one from Andromeda.

10-15-2015, 11:07 PM	#80
RJH Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Otago Posts: 38	Originally posted by Biff Thank you JPT. Ditto

10-16-2015, 12:48 AM - 1 Like	#81
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Kiwipixter Not intentionally, a lot of googled images are used without the user's knowledge that they are competitors. I haven seen this before. By unintentionally avoiding to use your own images (much better suited than the Sigma Foveon ones - which are about a different technology)? Really? PENTAX K-3 II \| RICOH IMAGING Come on, people, it's screaming 'fake'. This is not about some small detail or translation issue.

10-16-2015, 12:51 AM	#82
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	I don't know whether it's fake or not, but the specs are plausible (and would met my needs nicely). A lashed up slide for an internal presentation, translated into Engrish using Google...? Perhaps. I await developments with interest, while I save up my pennies for the real thing.

10-16-2015, 01:09 AM	#83
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Well, I know it's fake. And sure, the specs looks plausible, because the bloke who made up this put what he thought to be plausible specs, things rumored and discussed on Internet forums or already implemented in previous products (Pentax or not). But he has no PowerPoint skills, and he knows nothing about the camera. It's not like the cleaning lady suddenly decided to lash out a presentation for partners all over the world.

10-16-2015, 02:49 AM	#84
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Looks pretty fake to me. I have no idea about the specs and these aren't unreasonable, but that doesn't mean that Ricoh created this slide and I doubt they would/did.

10-16-2015, 03:02 AM	#85
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802 Original Poster	If it is an internal slide they made a jolly mess of it.

10-16-2015, 03:56 AM	#86
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by D1N0 If it is an internal slide they made a jolly mess of it I agree - and that's what makes me think it's fake. The Japanese do not strike me as people who would make a slapdash job of something as important as this, even in-house. At the most basic level, as a knock-up first draft, perhaps - but then it would still be in Japanese. Certainly not as an in-house presentation to others, and MOST certainly not to ANYONE outside of Ricoh Japan. And as I've said before, the phraseology of the "Engrish" makes me suspect, on the basis of previous exposure, that the first language of the author is Mandarin Chinese.

10-16-2015, 04:17 AM	#87
H. Sapiens Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 328	If this is real, they need to hire a student assistant ASAP! (And no, it is not real. It cannot be. Please...)

10-16-2015, 04:51 AM	#88
dafbp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 233	Originally posted by mee Thanks just started working here again too. I think they had a little outage. What is amazing, I guess it shouldn't be by now, to me is anyone can come up with some random graphic or rumor and it is instantly discussed in multiple page threads here. That makes it official: Pentax FF fans are faker-fodder. (ff pun not intended) I wonder if Pentax is using the delay caused by K-3 rework to improve on the FF? If the specs are fixed, they could release some of them. The others won't follow numbers (well, Canon did follow the 645...)

10-16-2015, 05:01 AM	#89
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	I can't help but wonder which is more stupid: the idea that this image is genuine, or the idea that this image can be passed off as genuine. Neither appear to me to be plausible.

10-16-2015, 06:13 AM	#90
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	Everyone keeps screaming fake here because the slide looks kind of goofy. I've put together many, many presentations. Sometimes it's good to simply lay everything out real quick and dirty to show the general concept. Now you have something you can take to a coworker and talk about. If the presentation concept looks good then you go back and take it from 30-50% quality to 80% before another review. Don't confuse very rough draft with fake. With that said, this very well could be a fake slide created by an anonymous nobody looking to stir up trouble. But, what would be the point?