Some Crappy shots of the new FF Camera

Winder · 10-22-2015, 07:59 PM - **2 Likes**

It kind of looks like they intentionally miss-labeled the dial to keep people guessing.

If the "GRID" option does let you change the layout of the overlay in the OVF then we might have some type of projection system that allows them to show live information in the OVF. That would be big.

K David · 10-22-2015, 07:59 PM - **1 Like**

I hope the production model switches the play and LV placement. That would be more in keeping with current layouts.

rrstuff · 10-22-2015, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by hinman

There are few labels that seem intriguing but not obvious to me

CH/CL (? something high/low)

Happy Guessing,
Hin

expose for highlight, expose for shadows perhaps. It would be very useful.

K David · 10-22-2015, 08:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by One3rdEV

Still / Video mode switch is located on the top plate, grip side of the prism, at bottom of taller dial and actuated by a lever.

Good eye! That's a great location for it.

Uluru · 10-22-2015, 08:01 PM

That large dial next to pentaprism, on the right, with ISO, +/-, WiFi, Grid, etc. looks like a crazy sort of clutter. With an addition of a large dial to the right, above the back dial (what is that *extra* dial for?) in effect, the top LCD becomes tiny and unusable.

Who on earth designed this camera?!

K-3 looks far superior to this, better thought of. If this FF mockup is the real thing, then in usability this goes 2 decades back in time.

hinman · 10-22-2015, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by derekkite

There is a lever below the right dial beside the viewfinder hump.

Thanks! Now I see Photo/Video icons hidden under the dial next to the viewfinder hump but I thought that lever was meant for setting changes for Photo or Video. It will be odd not to have video icon on the top left mode dial.

Too early to guess but I am just thrilled to see the picture of the Pentax FF.

Cheers,
Hin

penta-mx · 10-22-2015, 08:04 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Uluru

That large dial next to pentaprism, on the right, with ISO, +/-, WiFi, Grid, etc. looks like a crazy sort of clutter. With an addition of a large dial to the right, above the back dial (what is that *extra* dial for?) in effect, the top LCD becomes tiny and unusable.

Who on earth designed this camera?!

K-3 looks far superior to this, better thought of. If this FF mockup is the real thing, then in usability this goes 2 decades back in time.

I actually think it looks awesome. Almost feels like I'll never use the LCD menus.

Heie · 10-22-2015, 08:05 PM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by Uluru

That large dial next to pentaprism, on the right, with ISO, +/-, WiFi, Grid, etc. looks like a crazy sort of clutter. With an addition of a large dial to the right, above the back dial (what is that *extra* dial for?) in effect, the top LCD becomes tiny and unusable.

Who on earth designed this camera?!

K-3 looks far superior to this, better thought of. If this FF mockup is the real thing, then in usability this goes 2 decades back in time.

Well I didn't see that coming from you...

rawr · 10-22-2015, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

Who on earth designed this camera?!

Sigh. Drama much?

Anyone who has looked at a Q or K-3 would see nothing problematic with the control layout.

**sholtzma** · 10-22-2015, 08:07 PM

So, no flash button on the 4-way controller? Or is that what the FX2 option is for...to convert the 4-way controller to another set of 4 options?

K David · 10-22-2015, 08:15 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Uluru

K-3 looks far superior to this, better thought of. If this FF mockup is the real thing, then in usability this goes 2 decades back in time.

Shocking: Uluru wants attention.

rawr · 10-22-2015, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by sholtzma

Or is that what the FX2 option is for...to convert the 4-way controller to another set of 4 options?

Probably. An additional range of in-camera effects and image settings (?), either in shooting or playback mode. (Use of the Fx2' term is a bit unfortunate, due to it's Nikon 'FX/DX' FF/crop connotations)

**jeffshaddix** · 10-22-2015, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by K David

Good eye! That's a great location for it.

No joke, I was staring at the picture for a couple minutes before I found what the poster was talking about.

The "SR" command mode could allow pixel shift as part of the options - it is run by the shake reduction system after all.

What I would love to see is the "Auto ISO Speed" or "minimum shutter speed before changing ISO in Av mode" put on that top right dial...but somehow I doubt that'll be.

**RobA_Oz** · 10-22-2015, 08:24 PM

Although it's hard to really tell the scale of this body, from the shots posted, it doesn't look to be too much bulkier than a K-3, and the styling cues are certainly similar to the rest of the range. The earlier comparison shots from the Ricoh website teaser made it look a lot taller than it appears in these photos, but the new 24-70 isn't a lens we're familiar with yet.

Nonetheless, it looks to be (comparatively) compact and well-featured, and the tilt/swivel LCD monitor is a novel addition, assuming it's robust enough. I'd gone a bit cool on the whole idea of getting a 35FF Pentax, but this looks interesting to me.

Uluru · 10-22-2015, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Heie

Well I didn't see that coming from you...

Let us be honest — I was waiting a long time for this camera.

I personally think K3 and 645Z have great UI for DSLR and do their job nice. I always commended K3.

But I must say I am totally confused with this FF, and with your responses here: no one here offers any viable, nor smart nor comprehensive explanation why is this FF a step ahead in the future of camera making, instead of two steps back into the film era usability?

I only hear straight personal accusations, and slaps. Can you do better than that? Can you use arguments, proofs, show pictures, etc?

Come on guys, Nikon F4 (F as in film) looked knobbed like this!

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10-22-2015, 07:59 PM - 2 Likes	#91
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	It kind of looks like they intentionally miss-labeled the dial to keep people guessing. If the "GRID" option does let you change the layout of the overlay in the OVF then we might have some type of projection system that allows them to show live information in the OVF. That would be big.

10-22-2015, 07:59 PM - 1 Like	#92
K David Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,437	I hope the production model switches the play and LV placement. That would be more in keeping with current layouts.

10-22-2015, 07:59 PM	#93
rrstuff Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pasadena, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,126	Originally posted by hinman There are few labels that seem intriguing but not obvious to me CH/CL (? something high/low) Happy Guessing, Hin expose for highlight, expose for shadows perhaps. It would be very useful.

10-22-2015, 08:00 PM - 1 Like	#94
K David Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,437	Originally posted by One3rdEV Still / Video mode switch is located on the top plate, grip side of the prism, at bottom of taller dial and actuated by a lever. Good eye! That's a great location for it.

10-22-2015, 08:01 PM	#95
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	That large dial next to pentaprism, on the right, with ISO, +/-, WiFi, Grid, etc. looks like a crazy sort of clutter. With an addition of a large dial to the right, above the back dial (what is that extra dial for?) in effect, the top LCD becomes tiny and unusable. Who on earth designed this camera?! K-3 looks far superior to this, better thought of. If this FF mockup is the real thing, then in usability this goes 2 decades back in time.

10-22-2015, 08:04 PM	#96
hinman Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Fremont, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,473	Originally posted by derekkite There is a lever below the right dial beside the viewfinder hump. Thanks! Now I see Photo/Video icons hidden under the dial next to the viewfinder hump but I thought that lever was meant for setting changes for Photo or Video. It will be odd not to have video icon on the top left mode dial. Too early to guess but I am just thrilled to see the picture of the Pentax FF. Cheers, Hin

10-22-2015, 08:04 PM - 2 Likes	#97
penta-mx New Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mexico Photos: Gallery Posts: 15	Originally posted by Uluru That large dial next to pentaprism, on the right, with ISO, +/-, WiFi, Grid, etc. looks like a crazy sort of clutter. With an addition of a large dial to the right, above the back dial (what is that extra dial for?) in effect, the top LCD becomes tiny and unusable. Who on earth designed this camera?! K-3 looks far superior to this, better thought of. If this FF mockup is the real thing, then in usability this goes 2 decades back in time. I actually think it looks awesome. Almost feels like I'll never use the LCD menus.

10-22-2015, 08:05 PM - 5 Likes	#98
Heie Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 968	Originally posted by Uluru That large dial next to pentaprism, on the right, with ISO, +/-, WiFi, Grid, etc. looks like a crazy sort of clutter. With an addition of a large dial to the right, above the back dial (what is that extra dial for?) in effect, the top LCD becomes tiny and unusable. Who on earth designed this camera?! K-3 looks far superior to this, better thought of. If this FF mockup is the real thing, then in usability this goes 2 decades back in time. Well I didn't see that coming from you...

10-22-2015, 08:06 PM	#99
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Uluru Who on earth designed this camera?! Sigh. Drama much? Anyone who has looked at a Q or K-3 would see nothing problematic with the control layout.

10-22-2015, 08:07 PM	#100
sholtzma Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Salisbury, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,043	So, no flash button on the 4-way controller? Or is that what the FX2 option is for...to convert the 4-way controller to another set of 4 options?

10-22-2015, 08:15 PM - 1 Like	#101
K David Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,437	Originally posted by Uluru K-3 looks far superior to this, better thought of. If this FF mockup is the real thing, then in usability this goes 2 decades back in time. Shocking: Uluru wants attention.

10-22-2015, 08:17 PM	#102
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by sholtzma Or is that what the FX2 option is for...to convert the 4-way controller to another set of 4 options? Probably. An additional range of in-camera effects and image settings (?), either in shooting or playback mode. (Use of the Fx2' term is a bit unfortunate, due to it's Nikon 'FX/DX' FF/crop connotations)

10-22-2015, 08:21 PM	#103
jeffshaddix Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,473	Originally posted by K David Good eye! That's a great location for it. No joke, I was staring at the picture for a couple minutes before I found what the poster was talking about. The "SR" command mode could allow pixel shift as part of the options - it is run by the shake reduction system after all. What I would love to see is the "Auto ISO Speed" or "minimum shutter speed before changing ISO in Av mode" put on that top right dial...but somehow I doubt that'll be.

10-22-2015, 08:24 PM	#104
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Although it's hard to really tell the scale of this body, from the shots posted, it doesn't look to be too much bulkier than a K-3, and the styling cues are certainly similar to the rest of the range. The earlier comparison shots from the Ricoh website teaser made it look a lot taller than it appears in these photos, but the new 24-70 isn't a lens we're familiar with yet. Nonetheless, it looks to be (comparatively) compact and well-featured, and the tilt/swivel LCD monitor is a novel addition, assuming it's robust enough. I'd gone a bit cool on the whole idea of getting a 35FF Pentax, but this looks interesting to me.

10-22-2015, 08:41 PM	#105
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Heie Well I didn't see that coming from you... Let us be honest — I was waiting a long time for this camera. I personally think K3 and 645Z have great UI for DSLR and do their job nice. I always commended K3. But I must say I am totally confused with this FF, and with your responses here: no one here offers any viable, nor smart nor comprehensive explanation why is this FF a step ahead in the future of camera making, instead of two steps back into the film era usability? I only hear straight personal accusations, and slaps. Can you do better than that? Can you use arguments, proofs, show pictures, etc? Come on guys, Nikon F4 (F as in film) looked knobbed like this!