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11-16-2015, 10:48 PM   #1
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Tokina 14-20/2 for APS-C



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http://www.dpreview.com/news/4439209905/tokina-announces-ultra-wide-14-20mm-...p-sensor-dslrs

http://thenewcamera.com/tokina-aps-c-sd-14-20mm-lens-coming-soon/

Will we see the same for Pentax K mount?


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11-16-2015, 11:10 PM   #2
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No. Tokina will not support K-mount.
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It was before when Pentax and Tokina had cooperation. You can't know about future.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It was before when Pentax and Tokina had cooperation. You can't know about future.
I thought that Tokina and Pentax still make the 10-17, 12-24,16-50, 50-135 in cooperation today. I assumed that the Pentax versions were assembles at Tokina. Perhaps someone knows exactly where they are made. Or do they just share designs, but not manufacture.

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I thought that Tokina and Pentax still make the 10-17, 12-24,16-50, 50-135 in cooperation today. I assumed that the Pentax versions were assembles at Tokina. Perhaps someone knows exactly where they are made. Or do they just share designs, but not manufacture.
It's your fantasies. Pentax's versions were never assembled at Tokina's factory.
Some of lenses are Pentax's patents, some are Tokina. Just optical design cooperation.

Tokina stopped to produce the most lenses

Tokina | Digital Eyes - Visionary technology makes a difference you can see
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They still produce only 100 macro and 10-17
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For the most part Tokina licensed Pentax's optical formulas for their lenses. The one exception was (is) the DA 12-24, where Pentax licensed Tokina's optical formula. Lens design otherwise was done by each company -- different coatings and different auto focus mechanisms (the 16-50 for Pentax has dual auto focus mechanisms, the Tokina was screw drive only).

Anyway, I think Pentax would have to grow in market share considerably before you see Tokina releasing their new lenses in a K mount, but it still would be nice to see it.
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Tokina makes some interesting lenses, so it would be nice to see them in K-mount. But I think they have an understanding with Pentax. They both make more profit by cooperating on some lenses than by Tokina trying to sell K-mount lenses (which would cost Tokina more money and might not return enough; and it would eat into Pentax lens sales)
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Back in the day, other brands (Ricoh, Chinon, Sears*) had K mount cameras and Ricoh and Chinon also had their own lenses, so there was a competitive market in which to inject K-mount lenses. That has changed now; willingness to support the K mount is contingent on there being enough sales of Pentax cameras to make it worthwhile, and Pentax is no longer the major player it used to be. Hence co-operation makes more sense.

14-20mm seems a very limited range, unless it's being driven by a need to limit the focal range in order to retain as much rectilinearity as possible throughout.

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QuoteOriginally posted by pathdoc Quote
14-20mm seems a very limited range, unless it's being driven by a need to limit the focal range in order to retain as much rectilinearity as possible throughout.
The sigma 18-35 f/1.8 has a small zoom range, but that limited focal length range hasn't stunted its appeal. A 14-20mm f/2 would be excellent for astro/landsacpe photographers...as long as coma and fringing is well controlled.

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14-20mm seems a very limited range, .
24-35/2, 11-16/2.8 too...but POPULAR

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+1 with Digitalis : that will be the perfect lens for landscape/night and astrophotography.
I see that Pentax rebranded pretty well as the wide angle DA zoom in current Kmount lens roadmap.
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This is awesome. I would buy a spare Nikon D7000 for that lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It's your fantasies. Pentax's versions were never assembled at Tokina's factory.
Some of lenses are Pentax's patents, some are Tokina. Just optical design cooperation.

Tokina stopped to produce the most lenses

Tokina | Digital Eyes - Visionary technology makes a difference you can see
Tokina | Digital Eyes - Visionary technology makes a difference you can see

They still produce only 100 macro and 10-1
So what you're saying is that when Tokina made the 10-17, 12-24, 16-50, 50-135, they made them at Tokina. So Pentax set up its own plant to make virtually the same lenses 10-17, 12-24, 16-50, 50-135 ........

Yeah building two production lines, that makes complete fiscal sense !

Let me guess, the new Pentax 24-70mm 2.8 WR is made at Pentax too.

For a company that continues to outsource lens manufacture, Pentaxians continue to fantasize ...........apparently.
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QuoteOriginally posted by zoolander Quote
So what you're saying is that when Tokina made the 10-17, 12-24, 16-50, 50-135, they made them at Tokina. So Pentax set up its own plant to make virtually the same lenses 10-17, 12-24, 16-50, 50-135 ........

Yeah building two production lines, that makes complete fiscal sense !

Let me guess, the new Pentax 24-70mm 2.8 WR is made at Pentax too.

For a company that continues to outsource lens manufacture, Pentaxians continue to fantasize ...........apparently.
You do understand the difference between licensing an optical formula and rebadging an existing lens? The Pentax 24-70 and 18-270 lenses are rebadges made by Tamron. They may have tweaks introduced by Pentax -- different coatings in particular -- but the basic underlying lens is made by Tamron and is exactly the same as the versions made for other mounts, just with a different skin.

On the other hand, when Tokina licensed an optical formula from Pentax, they did make the lenses themselves and paid a small amount to Pentax per lens made and vice versa when Pentax would make a DA 12-24, they paid Tokina a fee for using their lens design. The 16-50 and 50-135 lens designs are completely different, in particular, as the Tokina versions are screw drive only, while the Pentax versions have both SDM and screw drive.

Anyway, as far as I can ascertain, Pentax owns the patents on the 16-50, 50-135, 10-17, and 35 macro, while Tokina owns the patent on the 12-24. In their glory years, Pentax wouldn't have licensed these designs to another company, but with how rocky things got financially before the Hoya acquisition, they were scraping for money anywhere to shore up their transition to digital.
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zoolander, let me ask you a question: do you think these two lenses could possibly have been made in the same factory?

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