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normhead · 11-20-2015, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

I'm wondering if it is for a k3 bundled with it.

And I wondered if they accidentally put a 1 on the front of the price.

Last edited by normhead; 11-20-2015 at 10:39 AM.

christiandre · 11-20-2015, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Davidparis

Yes but, buying there you do not support the local brick and mortar business, it's currently out of stock on-line and next delivery date possible is 6 January 2016...

sorry, local dealer price... 2199 euros

Cynog Ap Brychan · 11-20-2015, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by christiandre

sorry, local dealer price... 2199 euros

Hmmm, that's about £1540. I can do that!

**monochrome** · 11-20-2015, 11:27 AM

I was hoping for interchangeable viewfinders like the LX has. Oh well.

Tom S. · 11-20-2015, 11:56 AM - **3 Likes**

Several posts have been removed that were NOT pertinent to the subject posted and definitely were not about Pentax News and Rumors. Please keep on track guys.

Matthew Saville · 11-20-2015, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by timautin

...
- the sensor is the Sony 36 Mp
....

So, is the sensor cat officially out of the bag? Or do we still need to tally up and weigh the credibility of various reports that the sensor is 24, 36, or 42 MP? I wish someone who knows for sure would at least give a wink or something, about this 36 MP number.

Either way, let the analyzing begin!

The original Sony 36 MP sensor was a bit noisier and generally *slightly* inferior to the Nikon D800e sensor, although a tad sharper due to the true lack of an AA filter instead of the D800e's "cancelled" AA filter. In the real world, you'd probably never tell the difference.

All in all though, from an astro-landscape perspective I'd be disappointed in the use of that exact sensor, (if it received no processing upgrades / changes whatsoever from Pentax) considering how much better the Nikon D810 sensor is at both high ISO and long exposures, or the high ISO / long exposure capabilities of other sensors like the D750 and Sony A7R II.

The "next" Sony 36 MP sensor, seen in the D810 and D810A, offers a whole new base ISO of 64, and especially in the D810A the high ISO performance is pretty good, on par with the D750 in some ways and more useful in other ways.

TLDR; generally speaking I strongly hope that 1.) Pentax is receiving the newest 36 MP sensor possible, and not some warehouse leftovers from the D800 / D800e era, and 2.) Pentax is able to offer an equal or greater ADC processor that delivers a final result as good as the current champions at full-frame high ISO work.

Then again, I understand not everybody is interested in astro-landscape work with this camera. I do hope that no other compromises are made. I think we can all collectively hope that this sensor is as much of a younger sibling to the 645Z as the laws of physics will allow.

kenspo · 11-20-2015, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Matthew Saville

So, is the sensor cat officially out of the bag?

No, its not.

bertwert · 11-20-2015, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by kenspo

No, its not.

Do you know what it is?

Zygonyx · 11-20-2015, 12:19 PM

Yes, he knows, but gets fired when us told.

**reytor** · 11-20-2015, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by kenspo

No, its not.

Back to square one then...
Or did you just mean that it's not official?

Matthew Saville · 11-20-2015, 12:30 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kenspo

No, its not.

GOOD. I shall continue to hope that it will match / beat other competing FF sensors in various aspects, (high ISO, dynamic range, and overall color / tone quality) to the extent that it makes the 645Z proud, and most other FF shooters jealous. I know that is a very tall order considering what the low-light & dynamic range champions from Nikon and Canon are producing, and what the jack-of-all-trades Sony A7R II is capable off, but considering the image quality of the 645Z, I think it's not a false hope to cling to through the holidays.

bertwert · 11-20-2015, 12:31 PM

I'm pretty sure it will be a newer version of the 36mp sensor (or maybe a 42mp one (or maybe 24mp))

Matthew Saville · 11-20-2015, 12:37 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bertwert

I'm pretty sure it will be a newer version of the 36mp sensor (or maybe a 42mp one (or maybe 24mp))

That is a bare minimum of what I'm hoping for.

I still can't help thinking, it seems that compared to the K-5 II sensor or the latest-and-greatest Nikon 24 MP APS-C sensors, ...Pentax got a bit short-changed with the K-3 II sensor in some respects. I feel they should have fought a little harder to get an up-to-date 24 MP sensor that matches the record-setting high ISO and dynamic range performance of Nikon's 2015 DX bodies.

normhead · 11-20-2015, 01:17 PM - **1 Like**

What's wrong with you guys. Pentax said "Mid thirties" as if there' something besides 36 MP. The guy who handled one briefly says it's 36. Does someone have to club you over the head with a 36 once baseball bat?

FantasticMrFox · 11-20-2015, 01:29 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

What's wrong with you guys. Pentax said "Mid thirties" as if there' something besides 36 MP. The guy who handled one briefly says it's 36. Does someone have to club you over the head with a 36 once baseball bat?

When did Pentax officially say that?! Do you have a source?

And to be honest, we have heard too many "I talked to this one dealer and he said camera X will have feature A, T and C." stories that turned out to be wrong to still take these rumours seriously.

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11-20-2015, 09:59 AM	#46
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by UncleVanya I'm wondering if it is for a k3 bundled with it. And I wondered if they accidentally put a 1 on the front of the price. Last edited by normhead; 11-20-2015 at 10:39 AM.

11-20-2015, 10:29 AM	#47
christiandre Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 157	Originally posted by Davidparis Yes but, buying there you do not support the local brick and mortar business, it's currently out of stock on-line and next delivery date possible is 6 January 2016... sorry, local dealer price... 2199 euros

11-20-2015, 10:39 AM	#48
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by christiandre sorry, local dealer price... 2199 euros Hmmm, that's about £1540. I can do that!

11-20-2015, 11:27 AM	#49
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	I was hoping for interchangeable viewfinders like the LX has. Oh well.

11-20-2015, 11:56 AM - 3 Likes	#50
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	Several posts have been removed that were NOT pertinent to the subject posted and definitely were not about Pentax News and Rumors. Please keep on track guys.

11-20-2015, 12:00 PM	#51
Matthew Saville Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Southern California Posts: 250	Originally posted by timautin ... - the sensor is the Sony 36 Mp .... So, is the sensor cat officially out of the bag? Or do we still need to tally up and weigh the credibility of various reports that the sensor is 24, 36, or 42 MP? I wish someone who knows for sure would at least give a wink or something, about this 36 MP number. Either way, let the analyzing begin! The original Sony 36 MP sensor was a bit noisier and generally slightly inferior to the Nikon D800e sensor, although a tad sharper due to the true lack of an AA filter instead of the D800e's "cancelled" AA filter. In the real world, you'd probably never tell the difference. All in all though, from an astro-landscape perspective I'd be disappointed in the use of that exact sensor, (if it received no processing upgrades / changes whatsoever from Pentax) considering how much better the Nikon D810 sensor is at both high ISO and long exposures, or the high ISO / long exposure capabilities of other sensors like the D750 and Sony A7R II. The "next" Sony 36 MP sensor, seen in the D810 and D810A, offers a whole new base ISO of 64, and especially in the D810A the high ISO performance is pretty good, on par with the D750 in some ways and more useful in other ways. TLDR; generally speaking I strongly hope that 1.) Pentax is receiving the newest 36 MP sensor possible, and not some warehouse leftovers from the D800 / D800e era, and 2.) Pentax is able to offer an equal or greater ADC processor that delivers a final result as good as the current champions at full-frame high ISO work. Then again, I understand not everybody is interested in astro-landscape work with this camera. I do hope that no other compromises are made. I think we can all collectively hope that this sensor is as much of a younger sibling to the 645Z as the laws of physics will allow.

11-20-2015, 12:06 PM	#52
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by Matthew Saville So, is the sensor cat officially out of the bag? No, its not.

11-20-2015, 12:10 PM	#53
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	Originally posted by kenspo No, its not. Do you know what it is?

11-20-2015, 12:19 PM	#54
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Yes, he knows, but gets fired when us told.

11-20-2015, 12:25 PM	#55
reytor Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Santiago Photos: Gallery Posts: 220	Originally posted by kenspo No, its not. Back to square one then... Or did you just mean that it's not official?

11-20-2015, 12:30 PM - 1 Like	#56
Matthew Saville Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Southern California Posts: 250	Originally posted by kenspo No, its not. GOOD. I shall continue to hope that it will match / beat other competing FF sensors in various aspects, (high ISO, dynamic range, and overall color / tone quality) to the extent that it makes the 645Z proud, and most other FF shooters jealous. I know that is a very tall order considering what the low-light & dynamic range champions from Nikon and Canon are producing, and what the jack-of-all-trades Sony A7R II is capable off, but considering the image quality of the 645Z, I think it's not a false hope to cling to through the holidays.

11-20-2015, 12:31 PM	#57
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	I'm pretty sure it will be a newer version of the 36mp sensor (or maybe a 42mp one (or maybe 24mp))

11-20-2015, 12:37 PM - 1 Like	#58
Matthew Saville Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Southern California Posts: 250	Originally posted by bertwert I'm pretty sure it will be a newer version of the 36mp sensor (or maybe a 42mp one (or maybe 24mp)) That is a bare minimum of what I'm hoping for. I still can't help thinking, it seems that compared to the K-5 II sensor or the latest-and-greatest Nikon 24 MP APS-C sensors, ...Pentax got a bit short-changed with the K-3 II sensor in some respects. I feel they should have fought a little harder to get an up-to-date 24 MP sensor that matches the record-setting high ISO and dynamic range performance of Nikon's 2015 DX bodies.

11-20-2015, 01:17 PM - 1 Like	#59
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	What's wrong with you guys. Pentax said "Mid thirties" as if there' something besides 36 MP. The guy who handled one briefly says it's 36. Does someone have to club you over the head with a 36 once baseball bat?

11-20-2015, 01:29 PM - 1 Like	#60
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by normhead What's wrong with you guys. Pentax said "Mid thirties" as if there' something besides 36 MP. The guy who handled one briefly says it's 36. Does someone have to club you over the head with a 36 once baseball bat? When did Pentax officially say that?! Do you have a source? And to be honest, we have heard too many "I talked to this one dealer and he said camera X will have feature A, T and C." stories that turned out to be wrong to still take these rumours seriously.

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