Some FF news

**monochrome** · 12-05-2015, 07:45 AM

This is what Sony HAS to do to justify their recent dilutive $3.9BBN stock and bond issue.

"Sony said much of the proceeds will be spent to raise production capacity for image sensors used in smartphones, including Apple Inc.’s iPhone and Samsung Electronic Co.’s Galaxy." ~ Wall Street Journal June 30,, 2015

The shares and convertible bonds were priced and issued August 17th

Last edited by monochrome; 12-05-2015 at 07:51 AM.

pathdoc · 12-05-2015, 03:34 PM

If Sony becomes the only sensor game in town, it will have the other camera makers at its mercy. No. Just no.

Mistral75 · 12-05-2015, 05:10 PM

The sensor sector is concentrating. CMOSIS, the company that designed the sensor in Leica M (Typ 240), was just acquired by ams AG:

PR ams announces completion of transaction to acquire CMOSIS Friday 04 December 2015 / Press Releases / Press Center / Home - ams AG

mysterick · 12-05-2015, 06:14 PM

"The avalanche has already started!"

philbaum · 12-05-2015, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I know it's about sensors, but also there they are below 50 % marketshare for sensors. The sensor market is more then just our camera's. Toshiba is maybe in a situation where bankruptsy is very close, so selling parts is a way to avoid that.

50% of marketshare is way too much influence. In early industrialization in the US, they had a term "Robber Barons" that was applied to company CEO's who had amassed such an influence in a particular market area, that they could demand exorbitant prices for their product. Giving any one company too much influence is bad policy for other reasons. What if Sony decided to buy Toshiba and build one single giant manufacturing plant for sensors. Perhaps an earthquake or a terrorist could disable that single plant and cause some very painful supply problems world wide. "free markets" have never been free, for good reason.

RonHendriks1966 · 12-06-2015, 02:12 AM - **1 Like**

Well ASML is the maker of lithograph machines that producer those chips. Nikon is one of the competitors, but not so good. This technology is very advanced and not easy to build up. ASML locatie Near my town has a marketshare of 90 % at the time. I think it is an illusion to think that the next step in production can be done by multiple small players for the long run.

paper about ASML

pathdoc · 12-06-2015, 06:17 AM

Not multiple small players, no, but at least three big ones so there is no monopoly if one goes under for some reason.

domino48 · 12-06-2015, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Well ASML is the maker of lithograph machines that producer those chips. Nikon is one of the competitors, but not so good. This technology is very advanced and not easy to build up. ASML locatie Near my town has a marketshare of 90 % at the time. I think it is an illusion to think that the next step in production can be done by multiple small players for the long run.

paper about ASML

I use to help me a machine translation.
Everything you say interests me very much, but my real concern ... is the price! Power full Pentax format for a reasonable price. I have many goals compatible full-size, brand Pentax, Sigma and Tamron, eg a 2.8 24-70 Sigma and Tamron 70-200 2.8 ... but if the device is too expensive, I will sell everything to me turn to the Sony A7 II for which I also have many objectives. But older on average ...
Pentax is my preference, but ...
Ideally, in my opinion, would be two full-size, one for "professionals", one for "experts".

Who would have an idea of the price ... or prices?

Nicolas06 · 12-06-2015, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by domino48

I use to help me a machine translation.
Everything you say interests me very much, but my real concern ... is the price! Power full Pentax format for a reasonable price. I have many goals compatible full-size, brand Pentax, Sigma and Tamron, eg a 2.8 24-70 Sigma and Tamron 70-200 2.8 ... but if the device is too expensive, I will sell everything to me turn to the Sony A7 II for which I also have many objectives. But older on average ...
Pentax is my preference, but ...
Ideally, in my opinion, would be two full-size, one for "professionals", one for "experts".

Who would have an idea of the price ... or prices?

Don't ask for price, people have no clue and will say bullshit. You can't base decision on that.

biz-engineer · 12-06-2015, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

The sensor sector is concentrating. CMOSIS, the company that designed the sensor in Leica M (Typ 240), was just acquired by ams AG: PR ams announces completion of transaction to acquire CMOSIS Friday 04 December 2015 / Press Releases / Press Center / Home - ams AG

ams AG ? Looks like it's located in Austria

---------- Post added 06-12-15 at 20:35 ----------

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Well ASML is the maker of lithograph machines that producer those chips. Nikon is one of the competitors, but not so good.

Canon 's also in that business, at least they make those huge lenses that equip photo-lithography steppers (larger lenses than the ones for cameras).

D1N0 · 12-06-2015, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by timautin

Today I went at a Pentax shop in Paris (and bought a 150-450

), and discussed about the FF, and here are some rumors:
- the sensor will probably be 36 Mp
- the crop mode can be either manual or automatic
- the prism should be awsome
- a grip will be available (no big surprise here, bit still good to be sure)

I think I didn't forget anything, if so I'll update the post!

manual crop mode is good news.

rawr · 12-06-2015, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

manual crop mode is good news.

Hardly surprising - every FF ever invented supports the same feature.

I never understood why anyone would ever think that somehow Pentax would force auto-crop.

normhead · 12-06-2015, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Hardly surprising - every FF ever invented supports the same feature.

I never understood why anyone would ever think that somehow Pentax would force auto-crop.

If you start getting into the stuff folks worry about, it would be comical, if it weren't real people with real feelings.

pathdoc · 12-06-2015, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by normhead

If you start getting into the stuff folks worry about, it would be comical, if it weren't real people with real feelings.

This is why the hashtag "first world problems" was invented. In some cases it's criticism; in others, it's self-aware self-mockery.

D1N0 · 12-06-2015, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Hardly surprising - every FF ever invented supports the same feature.

I never understood why anyone would ever think that somehow Pentax would force auto-crop.

I believe the Nikon D600 had a mandatory cropmode.

12-05-2015, 07:45 AM	#406
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	This is what Sony HAS to do to justify their recent dilutive $3.9BBN stock and bond issue. "Sony said much of the proceeds will be spent to raise production capacity for image sensors used in smartphones, including Apple Inc.’s iPhone and Samsung Electronic Co.’s Galaxy." ~ Wall Street Journal June 30,, 2015 The shares and convertible bonds were priced and issued August 17th Last edited by monochrome; 12-05-2015 at 07:51 AM.

12-06-2015, 02:12 AM - 1 Like	#411
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	90 % Well ASML is the maker of lithograph machines that producer those chips. Nikon is one of the competitors, but not so good. This technology is very advanced and not easy to build up. ASML locatie Near my town has a marketshare of 90 % at the time. I think it is an illusion to think that the next step in production can be done by multiple small players for the long run. paper about ASML

12-06-2015, 12:25 PM	#415
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by Mistral75 The sensor sector is concentrating. CMOSIS, the company that designed the sensor in Leica M (Typ 240), was just acquired by ams AG: PR ams announces completion of transaction to acquire CMOSIS Friday 04 December 2015 / Press Releases / Press Center / Home - ams AG ams AG ? Looks like it's located in Austria ---------- Post added 06-12-15 at 20:35 ---------- Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Well ASML is the maker of lithograph machines that producer those chips. Nikon is one of the competitors, but not so good. Canon 's also in that business, at least they make those huge lenses that equip photo-lithography steppers (larger lenses than the ones for cameras). Last edited by biz-engineer; 12-06-2015 at 12:45 PM.

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12-05-2015, 03:34 PM	#407
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	If Sony becomes the only sensor game in town, it will have the other camera makers at its mercy. No. Just no.

12-05-2015, 05:10 PM	#408
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	The sensor sector is concentrating. CMOSIS, the company that designed the sensor in Leica M (Typ 240), was just acquired by ams AG: PR ams announces completion of transaction to acquire CMOSIS Friday 04 December 2015 / Press Releases / Press Center / Home - ams AG

12-05-2015, 06:14 PM	#409
mysterick Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 44266 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 567	"The avalanche has already started!"

12-05-2015, 10:32 PM	#410
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I know it's about sensors, but also there they are below 50 % marketshare for sensors. The sensor market is more then just our camera's. Toshiba is maybe in a situation where bankruptsy is very close, so selling parts is a way to avoid that. 50% of marketshare is way too much influence. In early industrialization in the US, they had a term "Robber Barons" that was applied to company CEO's who had amassed such an influence in a particular market area, that they could demand exorbitant prices for their product. Giving any one company too much influence is bad policy for other reasons. What if Sony decided to buy Toshiba and build one single giant manufacturing plant for sensors. Perhaps an earthquake or a terrorist could disable that single plant and cause some very painful supply problems world wide. "free markets" have never been free, for good reason.

12-06-2015, 06:17 AM	#412
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Not multiple small players, no, but at least three big ones so there is no monopoly if one goes under for some reason.

12-06-2015, 06:19 AM	#413
domino48 New Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pays de la Loire France Posts: 8	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Well ASML is the maker of lithograph machines that producer those chips. Nikon is one of the competitors, but not so good. This technology is very advanced and not easy to build up. ASML locatie Near my town has a marketshare of 90 % at the time. I think it is an illusion to think that the next step in production can be done by multiple small players for the long run. paper about ASML I use to help me a machine translation. Everything you say interests me very much, but my real concern ... is the price! Power full Pentax format for a reasonable price. I have many goals compatible full-size, brand Pentax, Sigma and Tamron, eg a 2.8 24-70 Sigma and Tamron 70-200 2.8 ... but if the device is too expensive, I will sell everything to me turn to the Sony A7 II for which I also have many objectives. But older on average ... Pentax is my preference, but ... Ideally, in my opinion, would be two full-size, one for "professionals", one for "experts". Who would have an idea of the price ... or prices?

12-06-2015, 06:36 AM	#414
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by domino48 I use to help me a machine translation. Everything you say interests me very much, but my real concern ... is the price! Power full Pentax format for a reasonable price. I have many goals compatible full-size, brand Pentax, Sigma and Tamron, eg a 2.8 24-70 Sigma and Tamron 70-200 2.8 ... but if the device is too expensive, I will sell everything to me turn to the Sony A7 II for which I also have many objectives. But older on average ... Pentax is my preference, but ... Ideally, in my opinion, would be two full-size, one for "professionals", one for "experts". Who would have an idea of the price ... or prices? Don't ask for price, people have no clue and will say bullshit. You can't base decision on that.

12-06-2015, 03:31 PM	#416
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by timautin Today I went at a Pentax shop in Paris (and bought a 150-450 ), and discussed about the FF, and here are some rumors: - the sensor will probably be 36 Mp - the crop mode can be either manual or automatic - the prism should be awsome - a grip will be available (no big surprise here, bit still good to be sure) I think I didn't forget anything, if so I'll update the post! manual crop mode is good news.

12-06-2015, 04:05 PM	#417
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by D1N0 manual crop mode is good news. Hardly surprising - every FF ever invented supports the same feature. I never understood why anyone would ever think that somehow Pentax would force auto-crop.

12-06-2015, 04:40 PM	#418
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by rawr Hardly surprising - every FF ever invented supports the same feature. I never understood why anyone would ever think that somehow Pentax would force auto-crop. If you start getting into the stuff folks worry about, it would be comical, if it weren't real people with real feelings.

12-06-2015, 05:29 PM	#419
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by normhead If you start getting into the stuff folks worry about, it would be comical, if it weren't real people with real feelings. This is why the hashtag "first world problems" was invented. In some cases it's criticism; in others, it's self-aware self-mockery.

12-06-2015, 05:48 PM	#420
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by rawr Hardly surprising - every FF ever invented supports the same feature. I never understood why anyone would ever think that somehow Pentax would force auto-crop. I believe the Nikon D600 had a mandatory cropmode.