Milbeaut m-8m for K-1?

D1N0 · 11-22-2015, 06:13 AM - **1 Like**

http://www.socionext.com/en/pr/sn_pr20151022_01e.pdf

Maybe the reason Why the FF didn't come in autumn. The Milbeaut new generation 4k 30fps processor was only announced on October 22.

Quote:

The MB86S27 features the following specifications:
・ CPU: ARM Cortex A5 MP 400MHz x 2 (Socionext RTOS/Linux)
・ Connected Sensors: subLVDS 12 lanes + 3 clocks 800 Mbps/lane
・ Interfaces: PCIe Gne2, 2 lanes x 1 channel, or PCIe Gen1, 1 lane x 2 channels RGMII v1.3, 1Gbps
・ Network: TCP/IP, RTP/UDP/IP Offload Assist, Protocol Stack, Offload engine
・ Image Processing: H.264 Video Codec Encoding: Full HD＠120fps, 4K＠30fps Multi-Encoding (up to 6 streams)
・ Imagine Processing IP: Noise Reduction, Optimization of high sensitivity
・ Power Consumption: 1.3W (typical, when operating 4K＠30fps)
・ 360-degree Distortion Correction: Panorama-image, Multi-image
・ Super-resolution: Maximum 4x magnification

Socionext seems to be aiming this chip more at video, but it is the direct successor of the M-7m that is in the K-3/K-3II, so we'll have to see whether it is in there or that Ricoh has chosen another image processor. Of course they could also use a customized version of this one with more photography features.

pic:

Last edited by D1N0; 11-22-2015 at 06:30 AM.

RonHendriks1966 · 11-22-2015, 06:58 AM

I don't think so. The last generation milbeaut was announced in september 2013 and was in K-3 a few week's later. So the test period of the milbeaut was going with the K-3. I guess this wouldn't be different for the new generation and the K-1.

I think we discussed this new m-8m already overhere somewhere before Summer.

infoomatic · 11-22-2015, 06:59 AM

If Ricoh cooperated with the manufacturer and used prototypes of the chip for staging/testing maybe ... otherwise the relase date would be too late to make it into the the full frame (assuming release date Q1 2016)... I think.

D1N0 · 11-22-2015, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I don't think so. The last generation milbeaut was announced in september 2013 and was in K-3 a few week's later. So the test period of the milbeaut was going with the K-3. I guess this wouldn't be different for the new generation and the K-1.

I think we discussed this new m-8m already overhere somewhere before Summer.

When It starts shipping on october 22 it can't be in the K-1 at the same time. Before it starts shipping there will be samples to work with because otherwise it's not much use shipping it when nobody has an implementation for it yet. We discussed the M8-m but there were no detailed specs yet I believe, other than that it could do 4k.

RonHendriks1966 · 11-22-2015, 07:39 AM

I will give you the answer you are looking for......

"Yes this could be the reason for the delay. But also maybe not."

VoiceOfReason · 11-22-2015, 08:09 AM

Nah, they are sticking a D-Wave brand processor in there.

D1N0 · 11-22-2015, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by VoiceOfReason

Nah, they are sticking a D-Wave brand processor in there.

So it can process a billion pictures all at once

ogl · 11-22-2015, 09:04 AM

announced on October 22, but it's well known from spring time.

VoiceOfReason · 11-22-2015, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

So it can process a billion pictures all at once

20 fps at 42 mp? 8k 240 fps? Childs play!

rawr · 11-22-2015, 02:15 PM

This may also explain the slow development of high-end cameras from other Milbeaut-using camera companies (ie the much delayed Nikon D5).

The built-in PCI Express 2.0 and TCP/IP support is interesting. No excuses anymore for Pentax not to support tethering

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Zygonyx · 11-22-2015, 02:30 PM

This chip has gotten so many interesting features, you make us dream...

D1N0 · 06-14-2016, 02:56 PM

I don't think it is in the K-1, or we would have seen better video performance

ogl · 06-14-2016, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

http://www.socionext.com/en/pr/sn_pr20151022_01e.pdf

Maybe the reason Why the FF didn't come in autumn.

K-1 was in testing time from summer, 2015.

**LaurenOE** · 06-14-2016, 10:45 PM

Direct successor to the one in the K3/K3II?
C'mon this is going into the next generation K3.
It makes sense, and if it's a true successor, it would be a no brainer.
Even more so since we have the K70 playing with some video enhancement and we need something with better video in a camera between it and the K1.
Bingo!
The K3III will be a video monster as well!

**WillWeaverRVA** · 06-15-2016, 06:14 AM

Seems like a beast of a processor. Would be nice of the "K-3 III" used this in conjunction with, say, a 10-11 fps burst rate to make things easier for sports and action. :P

11-22-2015, 06:13 AM - 1 Like	#1
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Milbeaut m-8m for K-1? http://www.socionext.com/en/pr/sn_pr20151022_01e.pdf Maybe the reason Why the FF didn't come in autumn. The Milbeaut new generation 4k 30fps processor was only announced on October 22. Quote: The MB86S27 features the following specifications: ・ CPU: ARM Cortex A5 MP 400MHz x 2 (Socionext RTOS/Linux) ・ Connected Sensors: subLVDS 12 lanes + 3 clocks 800 Mbps/lane ・ Interfaces: PCIe Gne2, 2 lanes x 1 channel, or PCIe Gen1, 1 lane x 2 channels RGMII v1.3, 1Gbps ・ Network: TCP/IP, RTP/UDP/IP Offload Assist, Protocol Stack, Offload engine ・ Image Processing: H.264 Video Codec Encoding: Full HD＠120fps, 4K＠30fps Multi-Encoding (up to 6 streams) ・ Imagine Processing IP: Noise Reduction, Optimization of high sensitivity ・ Power Consumption: 1.3W (typical, when operating 4K＠30fps) ・ 360-degree Distortion Correction: Panorama-image, Multi-image ・ Super-resolution: Maximum 4x magnification Socionext seems to be aiming this chip more at video, but it is the direct successor of the M-7m that is in the K-3/K-3II, so we'll have to see whether it is in there or that Ricoh has chosen another image processor. Of course they could also use a customized version of this one with more photography features. pic: Last edited by D1N0; 11-22-2015 at 06:30 AM.

11-22-2015, 02:15 PM	#10
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	This may also explain the slow development of high-end cameras from other Milbeaut-using camera companies (ie the much delayed Nikon D5). The built-in PCI Express 2.0 and TCP/IP support is interesting. No excuses anymore for Pentax not to support tethering . Last edited by rawr; 11-22-2015 at 02:23 PM.

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11-22-2015, 06:58 AM	#2
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	I don't think so. The last generation milbeaut was announced in september 2013 and was in K-3 a few week's later. So the test period of the milbeaut was going with the K-3. I guess this wouldn't be different for the new generation and the K-1. I think we discussed this new m-8m already overhere somewhere before Summer.

11-22-2015, 06:59 AM	#3
infoomatic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria Photos: Gallery Posts: 255	If Ricoh cooperated with the manufacturer and used prototypes of the chip for staging/testing maybe ... otherwise the relase date would be too late to make it into the the full frame (assuming release date Q1 2016)... I think.

11-22-2015, 07:12 AM	#4
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802 Original Poster	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I don't think so. The last generation milbeaut was announced in september 2013 and was in K-3 a few week's later. So the test period of the milbeaut was going with the K-3. I guess this wouldn't be different for the new generation and the K-1. I think we discussed this new m-8m already overhere somewhere before Summer. When It starts shipping on october 22 it can't be in the K-1 at the same time. Before it starts shipping there will be samples to work with because otherwise it's not much use shipping it when nobody has an implementation for it yet. We discussed the M8-m but there were no detailed specs yet I believe, other than that it could do 4k.

11-22-2015, 07:39 AM	#5
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	I will give you the answer you are looking for...... "Yes this could be the reason for the delay. But also maybe not."

11-22-2015, 08:09 AM	#6
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	Nah, they are sticking a D-Wave brand processor in there.

11-22-2015, 08:49 AM	#7
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802 Original Poster	Originally posted by VoiceOfReason Nah, they are sticking a D-Wave brand processor in there. So it can process a billion pictures all at once

11-22-2015, 09:04 AM	#8
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	announced on October 22, but it's well known from spring time.

11-22-2015, 10:59 AM	#9
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	Originally posted by D1N0 So it can process a billion pictures all at once 20 fps at 42 mp? 8k 240 fps? Childs play!

11-22-2015, 02:30 PM	#11
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	This chip has gotten so many interesting features, you make us dream...

06-14-2016, 02:56 PM	#12
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802 Original Poster	I don't think it is in the K-1, or we would have seen better video performance

06-14-2016, 10:18 PM	#13
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by D1N0 http://www.socionext.com/en/pr/sn_pr20151022_01e.pdf Maybe the reason Why the FF didn't come in autumn. K-1 was in testing time from summer, 2015.

06-14-2016, 10:45 PM	#14
LaurenOE Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Back in Florida, but worldwide gigs! Photos: Albums Posts: 3,690	Direct successor to the one in the K3/K3II? C'mon this is going into the next generation K3. It makes sense, and if it's a true successor, it would be a no brainer. Even more so since we have the K70 playing with some video enhancement and we need something with better video in a camera between it and the K1. Bingo! The K3III will be a video monster as well!

06-15-2016, 06:14 AM	#15
WillWeaverRVA Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Richmond, VA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,071	Seems like a beast of a processor. Would be nice of the "K-3 III" used this in conjunction with, say, a 10-11 fps burst rate to make things easier for sports and action. :P