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Franc · 12-14-2015, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

They have to start somewhere
No matter what they do, there's always something

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totally agree, i'm quite happy what Pentax is offering right now. It works for me and i'll will buy the nex FF. Support from my dealer is good as well, so no hassle on that subject.

rawr · 12-14-2015, 01:24 PM - **1 Like**

'Flagship system' is a weird concept. It's like saying 'flagship fleet', or 'flagship navy'. Doesn't make sense. Flagship is singular. The Australian Navy only has one flagship, for example.

Kunzite · 12-14-2015, 01:58 PM

The Australian Navy must be poor, they can afford a single flag

**MJSfoto1956** · 12-14-2015, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by rawr

'Flagship system' is a weird concept. It's like saying 'flagship fleet', or 'flagship navy'. Doesn't make sense. Flagship is singular.

Unless they mean that the cool set of (undocumented) unique accessories for their K-1 "flagship" will be specific to the K-1 and thus constitute a contained "system"!

Of course, with translations, who the heck knows what they really mean...

Michael

**monochrome** · 12-14-2015, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by MJSfoto1956

Unless they mean that the cool set of (undocumented) unique accessories for their K-1 "flagship" will be specific to the K-1 and thus constitute a contained "system"!

Of course, with translations, who the heck knows what they really mean...

Michael

Uhmm, if I'm reading this correctly - RICOH never said flagship system. Somebody up thread said no matter how good the camera is it won't be a professional camera because "the system" isn't professional. Then someone asked what a system is, and some one else make a crack about a flagship. . . . . and here we are.

I love the Internet.

Sheesh.

pathdoc · 12-14-2015, 03:47 PM

"Flagship system" = the system associated with the flagship camera. Sounds pretty obvious to me.

virusn3t · 12-14-2015, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by pathdoc

"Flagship system" = the system associated with the flagship camera. Sounds pretty obvious to me.

Yeah, but "flagship system" is not a good term, i prefer "Pentax ecosystem", that way many cameras can be included in the "system" and every camera can use it, rather the "flagship camera" only

Grandmaloveye · 12-14-2015, 04:24 PM

How much do you think for the new format pentax FF?

Alizarine · 12-14-2015, 05:15 PM

I thought that when one describes something as a "flagship" it means it's the highest tier of a certain line. By saying Nikon is a "flagship system" implies that there exists some sort of official hierarchy/level among the brands. I would agree to "ecosystem" as virusn3t said too.

Unless of course when the "system" in question refers to the FF-tier alone and not the entire brand

**jatrax** · 12-14-2015, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by pathdoc

"Flagship system" = the system associated with the flagship camera. Sounds pretty obvious to me.

Seems confusing to me, "Flagship" implies the top of the line. "Flagship System" would imply the top of the line system. Further implying multiple systems. By that definition you have 645, K, and Q systems and the 645 would surely be the "Flagship System".

So it would seem to me you can have a flagship camera within a system but not a "Flagship System".

Man, are we bored or what................................

**Digitalis** · 12-14-2015, 06:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

said no matter how good the camera is it won't be a professional camera because "the system" isn't professional.

People make similar cracks about Fuji,Olympus and Leica. pay them no mind.

noelpolar · 12-14-2015, 06:07 PM - **1 Like**

I find paying people no mind..... quite peaceful for the most part. A highly underated state of mind....difficult at times to master.

---------- Post added 15-12-15 at 11:44 AM ----------

Originally posted by Grandmaloveye

How much do you think for the new format pentax FF?

I'm anticipating about $2200us at launch ($3k aus) ..... maybe 2600 for a limited silver......

I'm hoping for $1950 US

pathdoc · 12-15-2015, 05:23 AM

I've never seen the value of paying extra for a particular colour. That's why two of my Christmas presents are silver and one is black like the camera it's going on. If you want the aesthetics it's your money, but it's what's inside that does the job.

As for professional systems, I tend to look at the person who's using it. It's always a shame when a professional system gets into the hands of an unprofessional photographer. I've seen some absolute shockers on YouTube - none of the usual suspects, mind you, but the way I've seen some people treat their models in front of an audience is atrocious, and I wonder how they ever achieve a good reputation.

beegls · 12-15-2015, 05:45 AM

I wait for spring!)

reh321 · 12-15-2015, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

Seems confusing to me, "Flagship" implies the top of the line. "Flagship System" would imply the top of the line system. Further implying multiple systems. By that definition you have 645, K, and Q systems and the 645 would surely be the "Flagship System".

So it would seem to me you can have a flagship camera within a system but not a "Flagship System".

Man, are we bored or what................................

My understanding of "Flagship System" was that it referred to a top-of-the-line camera body and lenses / flashes worthy of it. In other words, releasing the camera body is of little value if people can't get lenses that allow the body to perform its best. And yes, it would be nice to have actual news to talk about.

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Franc Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hoevelaken Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,214	Originally posted by monochrome They have to start somewhere No matter what they do, there's always something . totally agree, i'm quite happy what Pentax is offering right now. It works for me and i'll will buy the nex FF. Support from my dealer is good as well, so no hassle on that subject.

12-14-2015, 06:07 PM - 1 Like	#282
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	I find paying people no mind..... quite peaceful for the most part. A highly underated state of mind....difficult at times to master. ---------- Post added 15-12-15 at 11:44 AM ---------- Originally posted by Grandmaloveye How much do you think for the new format pentax FF? I'm anticipating about $2200us at launch ($3k aus) ..... maybe 2600 for a limited silver...... I'm hoping for $1950 US Last edited by noelpolar; 12-14-2015 at 06:17 PM.

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12-14-2015, 01:24 PM - 1 Like	#272
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	'Flagship system' is a weird concept. It's like saying 'flagship fleet', or 'flagship navy'. Doesn't make sense. Flagship is singular. The Australian Navy only has one flagship, for example.

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Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	The Australian Navy must be poor, they can afford a single flag

12-14-2015, 02:30 PM	#274
MJSfoto1956 Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Boston Posts: 1,305	Originally posted by rawr 'Flagship system' is a weird concept. It's like saying 'flagship fleet', or 'flagship navy'. Doesn't make sense. Flagship is singular. Unless they mean that the cool set of (undocumented) unique accessories for their K-1 "flagship" will be specific to the K-1 and thus constitute a contained "system"! Of course, with translations, who the heck knows what they really mean... Michael

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by MJSfoto1956 Unless they mean that the cool set of (undocumented) unique accessories for their K-1 "flagship" will be specific to the K-1 and thus constitute a contained "system"! Of course, with translations, who the heck knows what they really mean... Michael Uhmm, if I'm reading this correctly - RICOH never said flagship system. Somebody up thread said no matter how good the camera is it won't be a professional camera because "the system" isn't professional. Then someone asked what a system is, and some one else make a crack about a flagship. . . . . and here we are. I love the Internet. Sheesh.

12-14-2015, 03:47 PM	#276
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	"Flagship system" = the system associated with the flagship camera. Sounds pretty obvious to me.

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virusn3t Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 676	Originally posted by pathdoc "Flagship system" = the system associated with the flagship camera. Sounds pretty obvious to me. Yeah, but "flagship system" is not a good term, i prefer "Pentax ecosystem", that way many cameras can be included in the "system" and every camera can use it, rather the "flagship camera" only

12-14-2015, 04:24 PM	#278
Grandmaloveye New Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 1	How much do you think for the new format pentax FF?

12-14-2015, 05:15 PM	#279
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	I thought that when one describes something as a "flagship" it means it's the highest tier of a certain line. By saying Nikon is a "flagship system" implies that there exists some sort of official hierarchy/level among the brands. I would agree to "ecosystem" as virusn3t said too. Unless of course when the "system" in question refers to the FF-tier alone and not the entire brand

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jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by pathdoc "Flagship system" = the system associated with the flagship camera. Sounds pretty obvious to me. Seems confusing to me, "Flagship" implies the top of the line. "Flagship System" would imply the top of the line system. Further implying multiple systems. By that definition you have 645, K, and Q systems and the 645 would surely be the "Flagship System". So it would seem to me you can have a flagship camera within a system but not a "Flagship System". Man, are we bored or what................................

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Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,695	Originally posted by monochrome said no matter how good the camera is it won't be a professional camera because "the system" isn't professional. People make similar cracks about Fuji,Olympus and Leica. pay them no mind.

12-15-2015, 05:23 AM	#283
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	I've never seen the value of paying extra for a particular colour. That's why two of my Christmas presents are silver and one is black like the camera it's going on. If you want the aesthetics it's your money, but it's what's inside that does the job. As for professional systems, I tend to look at the person who's using it. It's always a shame when a professional system gets into the hands of an unprofessional photographer. I've seen some absolute shockers on YouTube - none of the usual suspects, mind you, but the way I've seen some people treat their models in front of an audience is atrocious, and I wonder how they ever achieve a good reputation.

12-15-2015, 05:45 AM	#284
beegls New Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1	I wait for spring!)

12-15-2015, 05:58 AM	#285
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by jatrax Seems confusing to me, "Flagship" implies the top of the line. "Flagship System" would imply the top of the line system. Further implying multiple systems. By that definition you have 645, K, and Q systems and the 645 would surely be the "Flagship System". So it would seem to me you can have a flagship camera within a system but not a "Flagship System". Man, are we bored or what................................ My understanding of "Flagship System" was that it referred to a top-of-the-line camera body and lenses / flashes worthy of it. In other words, releasing the camera body is of little value if people can't get lenses that allow the body to perform its best. And yes, it would be nice to have actual news to talk about.

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