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01-04-2016, 02:44 AM   #136
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WOW it took over a year for DXO to test the 645Z's sensor ......... what a bunch of .......

The only reason they've finally done or released the test, is that dslr's are creeping closer.

DXO is a pile of nonesense. When are we all going to realize we're wasting our time talking about DXO.

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Not sure that is soon...
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And they still haven't added the 645Z to the main table, the results were only leaked through the Sony RX1 II review. As it stands they still rank the A7R II first.
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Yeah, i assume time is giving credit to zoolander's skud.
Despite the fact that Ricoh sent them their 645Z only last july... i rekon that for a sensor test specialist, no matter what's going on up, DxO Mark should test EVERYTHING with the same procurement scheme. And chronologically.
As things are (or just seem to hapen from outside), their credit is eroding on a purely commercial basis, which also could entail a lack of confidence in their tests.
They have gone beyond the acceptable limit for sustainable credit.


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QuoteOriginally posted by FantasticMrFox Quote
And they still haven't added the 645Z to the main table, the results were only leaked through the Sony RX1 II review. As it stands they still rank the A7R II first.
Now, 1,7 years after 645z release a new PhaseOne is out there with a newer sensor (surprise). I bet they will test the PhaseOne soon and then publish the results jointly. That would allow for the well known type of poisonous comments.
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Estimate how many DxO software licenses they will sell to A7rII owners contrasted with same to 645z owners

Q.E.D.
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QuoteOriginally posted by FantasticMrFox Quote
And they still haven't added the 645Z to the main table, the results were only leaked through the Sony RX1 II review. As it stands they still rank the A7R II first.
And

QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Yeah, i assume time is giving credit to zoolander's skud.
Despite the fact that Ricoh sent them their 645Z only last july... i rekon that for a sensor test specialist, no matter what's going on up, DxO Mark should test EVERYTHING with the same procurement scheme. And chronologically.
As things are (or just seem to hapen from outside), their credit is eroding on a purely commercial basis, which also could entail a lack of confidence in their tests.
They have gone beyond the acceptable limit for sustainable credit.
And

QuoteOriginally posted by beholder3 Quote
Now, 1,7 years after 645z release a new PhaseOne is out there with a newer sensor (surprise). I bet they will test the PhaseOne soon and then publish the results jointly. That would allow for the well known type of poisonous comments.
645Z came out in April of 2014 (1.9 years). Apparently DXO gets one 6 months ago - whether they finally asked, or was offered by Pentax is also a question. They could have rented one if they wanted. So to me, its clear DXO don't give a rats about Pentax. There's obviously some commercial arrangement going on with DXO and I believe Nikon ... maybe Canon ..... I don't know but its suspicious. Now as DSLR performance is creeping closer again to medium format, DXO is trying to show Pentax in a poor light. I'm used to seeing this.

Whats going on in the photographic industry is known as "industrial sabotage". You've got sponsored photogs and bodies such as reviewers pushing the brand that sponsor them, its all too blatant and unethical.

I mean years ago I took a look at how DXO ranked all the lenses they ever tested, and virtually every Nikon Lens is sharper than canon lenses ........ I nearly fell out of my seat from laughter ! DXO lens reviews are a pile of garbage, much like most of Photozones reviews. In the early years of Photozone they were ethical and proper, but in the last few years, they've really lost the plot and fudge the Nikon and Canon tests. I'll only look at Ephotozine and Lenstip for independent lens reviews. This industry is filled with unscrupulous and unethical types.

Even if the DXO sensor tests were accurate, then the rest of their trash on their site spoils it. I ask you, if your butcher sold really good beef T-bone steak, but sold other meat labelled as beef but you knew was horse meat, would you ever go back there ?

Same reason why I could care less about DXO and don't go there for any information or products. Its a site with ZERO credibility, and we shouldn't bother yacking about them, and hopefully they'll go away
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The 645Z market is pretty small and so, DXO Mark wasn't really interested in spending money to purchase/rent a 645z and prerequisite lenses to do the testing and software development for a medium format module. I can understand that. But someone loans them a camera and lenses and then they sit on the results for several months. That doesn't make sense. People don't buy DXO Mark's software based on where they rank camera sensors. They buy it because it has some really good lens adjustment modules and PRIME noise reduction is some of the best out there. That certainly wouldn't change if the A7r II is ranked number one or number two.

As to their lens rankings, the absolute number is fairly meaningless (as it is with the sensor scores). They break it down into resolution and light transmission and those numbers seem to be fairly accurate. The biggest limitation they have is that they don't seem to test many copies of a given lens (few review sites do) and so numbers from someone like Roger Cicala are probably better.

Maybe there is under the table money going to DXO Mark not to support Pentax products, but I really have a hard time imagining Sony or Nikon caring that much about a camera like the 645z to pay them to keep DXO Mark from supporting it.

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I sent a message to DxoMark on the 23rd via their website asking if the 645Z results are forthcoming. Here's the response I received just after 6:00 this morning EST (seems kind of early to be at work responding to emails!):
Hi Edgar,

Many thanks for reaching out to us, and for your interest in DxOMark. For your information, the Pentax 645Z test results are on their way, and should be published withing the next couple of weeks. Thanks in advance for your patience!

Kind regards,

Sophie
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That sounds pretty definite, but I guess we'll see!
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There are only 52 weeks in a year; is that 'a couple'?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Edgar_in_Indy Quote
I sent a message to DxoMark on the 23rd via their website asking if the 645Z results are forthcoming. Here's the response I received just after 6:00 this morning EST (seems kind of early to be at work responding to emails!):

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DxO is based in France .
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And for most French (I disagree but who am I?) a couple always mean 'two'.
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And for most French (I disagree but who am I?) a couple always mean 'two'.
Three can be kind of nice too .
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I'm not exactly a religious person, but I vaguely remember there was something about "weeks of years" (i.e. weeks seen as period of 7 years) in the Bible... just to be sure, I have to ask... which kind of weeks are we talking about here?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I'm not exactly a religious person, but I vaguely remember there was something about "weeks of years" (i.e. weeks seen as period of 7 years) in the Bible... just to be sure, I have to ask... which kind of weeks are we talking about here?
Thinking about the bible is always confusing.

"That shalt not wear diverse fabrics? " Say what? You mean I'm going to hell if I wear polyester and cotton? Or Rayon and Lycra? Really? Why does that make me a bad person?

The only people who recommend living by the bible, are the same people who will tell you to ignore most of it. ( But they'll tell you which parts are good ( the ones that say give them money ) and which ones are to be ignored. (The ones that say be kind to everyone, not just members of your church.)

Oops we have delved into subjects that shall not be mentioned. My bad.

DxO seems to have become some folks bible. (Hows that for an attempt to get back on topic.)
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