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Zygonyx · 01-20-2016, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by Glorfindelrb

Ok, DxO cannot invoke any excuses now. I feel sorry for Zygonyx who got its stuff borrowed for weeks for this comedy.

Well, using the software i still appreciate my lenses to be earmarked in it.
Now my 645D is on sale, one day i will shoot with the Z or it's successor.

Nicolas06 · 01-20-2016, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Well, using the software i still appreciate my lenses to be earmarked in it.
Now my 645D is on sale, one day i will shoot with the Z or it's successor.

No more 645 until then ?

thibs · 01-20-2016, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

No more 645 until then ?

FF coming... ^^

Zygonyx · 01-20-2016, 01:30 PM

Exactly.
+ As i doubt Pentax has strong and interesting projects re. 645 lenses (fast f/2, leafshutter, T/S ) and bigger sensor, i start thinking leaving that format.
P67 system is quite good enough, even if not as flexible as 645, for my MF use

Simen1 · 01-21-2016, 04:09 AM

DxOmark try to distract Pentaxians from the broken promises of a 645Z sensor review by providing a review of Samyang 85mm f/1,4 on Pentax K-3II.

**EssJayEff** · 01-21-2016, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by fs999

Does Sony have paied DXOMark to remove the 645Z test ?
I can't find it ! If you click on OP's link, the highest ranked camera is Sony A7R II...

It is missing from the chart, but the text on that page still mentions the Z.

**fs999** · 01-22-2016, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by EssJayEff

It is missing from the chart, but the text on that page still mentions the Z.

That's what I said in my next post...

Originally posted by fs999

Quote:

Originally posted by Zygonyx
It hasn't been published yet, you only can find the main results as a comparative sheet in Sony RX1-II test.

No, only in the text above the table :

Quote:

:
In terms of rankings, only the Pentax 645Z with its physically larger 43.8 x 32.8mm CMOS sensor (nearly 1.7x the surface area of a full-frame 35mm sensor) is ahead by just over a half-stop in noise levels.
The first camera in the table is Sony A7R II...

Zygonyx · 02-01-2016, 03:21 PM

Another promise has not been realised : january is over, and still no 645Z sensor test and rating publication by DxO Mark.
Even worse : the diagram showing the main data has been withdrawn from Sony's RX1RrII test presentation....

rawr · 02-01-2016, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Another promise has not been realised : january is over, and still no 645Z sensor test and rating publication by DxO Mark.
Even worse : the diagram showing the main data has been withdrawn from Sony's RX1RrII test presentation....

Very strange. The DxOMark side of the business doesn't seem to be well run.

beholder3 · 02-02-2016, 12:54 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Another promise has not been realised : january is over, and still no 645Z sensor test and rating publication by DxO Mark.
Even worse : the diagram showing the main data has been withdrawn from Sony's RX1RrII test presentation....

But they didnt manage to edit the text.

I wonder what excuses the Dxomark-apologists will come up with, now.

I still bet they are actively withholding the results until a good 2 year timeframe is over and they have the results of the new 100MPx sensor and then can advertise a "medium format comparison". To the utter surprise of everyone the 2 year old tech then will not be leading anymore.
Basically the same approach dpr choose: Wait long enough until your beer is stale and then whine about it and compare it to the freshly served beer from your favorite supplier.

**clackers** · 02-02-2016, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

I wonder what excuses the Dxomark-apologists will come up with, now.

Yes, Beholder, I've never understood its defenders and adherents.

**Rondec** · 02-02-2016, 04:02 AM

I just have a hard time believing that Canon or Nikon would care enough about Pentax full frame to pay DXO Mark not to release its results. And I can't think of any other reason that they wouldn't do it. Their goal is to sell software and plenty of Nikon/Canon/Sony users will continue to purchase their software -- regardless of who is at the top of the sensor standings.

I have no clue as to why they aren't releasing the data they clearly have, but I refuse to buy into a big conspiracy theory.

Simen1 · 02-02-2016, 05:21 AM

What is your theory, Rondec? Or do you refuse to have one?

One thing is sure, it looks weird, very weird, and other explanations seem to run out of plausability.

**monochrome** · 02-02-2016, 05:34 AM

If here HAS to be a conspiracy my bet is the other guys pay a stipend and/or offer free gear for testing and Pentax doesn't.

Mistral75 · 02-02-2016, 05:35 AM

Phase One are about to contribute Capture One into the DxO company, therefore the DxO guys do not want to upset them.

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01-20-2016, 07:40 AM	#211
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Glorfindelrb Ok, DxO cannot invoke any excuses now. I feel sorry for Zygonyx who got its stuff borrowed for weeks for this comedy. Well, using the software i still appreciate my lenses to be earmarked in it. Now my 645D is on sale, one day i will shoot with the Z or it's successor.

01-20-2016, 01:04 PM	#212
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by Zygonyx Well, using the software i still appreciate my lenses to be earmarked in it. Now my 645D is on sale, one day i will shoot with the Z or it's successor. No more 645 until then ?

01-20-2016, 01:27 PM	#213
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Nicolas06 No more 645 until then ? FF coming... ^^

01-20-2016, 01:30 PM	#214
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Exactly. + As i doubt Pentax has strong and interesting projects re. 645 lenses (fast f/2, leafshutter, T/S ) and bigger sensor, i start thinking leaving that format. P67 system is quite good enough, even if not as flexible as 645, for my MF use

01-21-2016, 04:09 AM	#215
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	DxOmark try to distract Pentaxians from the broken promises of a 645Z sensor review by providing a review of Samyang 85mm f/1,4 on Pentax K-3II.

01-21-2016, 03:39 PM	#216
EssJayEff Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: near Saxapahaw, NC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 976	Originally posted by fs999 Does Sony have paied DXOMark to remove the 645Z test ? I can't find it ! If you click on OP's link, the highest ranked camera is Sony A7R II... It is missing from the chart, but the text on that page still mentions the Z.

01-22-2016, 02:51 AM	#217
fs999 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Luxembourg Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,650	Originally posted by EssJayEff It is missing from the chart, but the text on that page still mentions the Z. That's what I said in my next post... Originally posted by fs999 Quote: Originally posted by Zygonyx It hasn't been published yet, you only can find the main results as a comparative sheet in Sony RX1-II test. No, only in the text above the table : Quote: : In terms of rankings, only the Pentax 645Z with its physically larger 43.8 x 32.8mm CMOS sensor (nearly 1.7x the surface area of a full-frame 35mm sensor) is ahead by just over a half-stop in noise levels. The first camera in the table is Sony A7R II...

02-01-2016, 03:21 PM	#218
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Another promise has not been realised : january is over, and still no 645Z sensor test and rating publication by DxO Mark. Even worse : the diagram showing the main data has been withdrawn from Sony's RX1RrII test presentation....

02-01-2016, 03:28 PM	#219
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Zygonyx Another promise has not been realised : january is over, and still no 645Z sensor test and rating publication by DxO Mark. Even worse : the diagram showing the main data has been withdrawn from Sony's RX1RrII test presentation.... Very strange. The DxOMark side of the business doesn't seem to be well run.

02-02-2016, 12:54 AM - 3 Likes	#220
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by Zygonyx Another promise has not been realised : january is over, and still no 645Z sensor test and rating publication by DxO Mark. Even worse : the diagram showing the main data has been withdrawn from Sony's RX1RrII test presentation.... But they didnt manage to edit the text. I wonder what excuses the Dxomark-apologists will come up with, now. I still bet they are actively withholding the results until a good 2 year timeframe is over and they have the results of the new 100MPx sensor and then can advertise a "medium format comparison". To the utter surprise of everyone the 2 year old tech then will not be leading anymore. Basically the same approach dpr choose: Wait long enough until your beer is stale and then whine about it and compare it to the freshly served beer from your favorite supplier.

02-02-2016, 01:17 AM	#221
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by beholder3 I wonder what excuses the Dxomark-apologists will come up with, now. Yes, Beholder, I've never understood its defenders and adherents.

02-02-2016, 04:02 AM	#222
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,668	I just have a hard time believing that Canon or Nikon would care enough about Pentax full frame to pay DXO Mark not to release its results. And I can't think of any other reason that they wouldn't do it. Their goal is to sell software and plenty of Nikon/Canon/Sony users will continue to purchase their software -- regardless of who is at the top of the sensor standings. I have no clue as to why they aren't releasing the data they clearly have, but I refuse to buy into a big conspiracy theory.

02-02-2016, 05:21 AM	#223
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	What is your theory, Rondec? Or do you refuse to have one? One thing is sure, it looks weird, very weird, and other explanations seem to run out of plausability.

02-02-2016, 05:34 AM	#224
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	If here HAS to be a conspiracy my bet is the other guys pay a stipend and/or offer free gear for testing and Pentax doesn't.

02-02-2016, 05:35 AM	#225
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Phase One are about to contribute Capture One into the DxO company, therefore the DxO guys do not want to upset them.

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