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01-08-2016, 03:22 AM   #421
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QuoteOriginally posted by bxf Quote
There appears to be some language misunderstanding issues with respect to Asahiflex's response to ogl.

Asahiflex was merely saying that ogl is not in a position to make assumptions about the level of competence of Pentax engineers viz-a-viz those of Nikon. We simply don't know how good the K-1 AF system is. We simply do not know one way or the other, and that is what is meant by "for all we know...".
You're right, language issues play a major role in misunderstandings, but this could also have been the case in asahiflex's reaction to ogl. And he literally is quite right: there ain't no such thing as a Pentax version of D5. I'll never get the true essence of brand fetishism I think, people get upset so quickly when talking about /defending their gear.

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I expect the K-1 to be better than past cameras with regard to focus speed and tracking. As to whether it is the equal of the D5, probably not. In addition, it will probably depend on the lens used. Break out the new DFA 70-200, 150-450 or 24-70 and it will probably be pretty zippy. Stick the FA 77 on it or the DA *55 and it probably will struggle a little more, due to lens design.

But most of us aren't shooting sports. Wedding photographers need decent tracking, but brides and grooms aren't sprinting towards the camera and the K3 is actually adequate with regards to tracking in most situations.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
but brides and grooms aren't sprinting towards the camera
You obviously weren't at my wedding
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QuoteOriginally posted by ffking Quote
You obviously weren't at my wedding
As I recall, you didn't invite me.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
As I recall, you didn't invite me.
No doubt the invitation got lost in the mail.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
As I recall, you didn't invite me.
Well, 1989 was a long time - I can't truthfully remember - but apologies if I was remiss ;D
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Well, 1989 was a long time - I can't truthfully remember - but apologies if I was remiss ;D
All is forgiven, although I heard a great time was had by all!
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Can you confirm that K-1's AF system is better than D500/D5's AF?
Can you confirm that it doesn't? You are the one claiming to know the AF performance of K-1 is worse then D5, Asashiflex didn't claim the AF was better, worse or equal. He just wont exclude any of those possibilities.


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We're deeply in the angels on the head of a pin territory here.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Simen1 Quote
Can you confirm that it doesn't? You are the one claiming to know the AF performance of K-1 is worse then D5, Asashiflex didn't claim the AF was better, worse or equal. He just wont exclude any of those possibilities.
I think the only thing Ogl can confirm is that he doesn't like Pentax.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
I think the only thing Ogl can confirm is that he doesn't like Pentax.
He'll tell you he is just being realistic and is helping the brand by dissing it (sorry "being respectfully constructively critical") all the time.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Simen1 Quote
Can you confirm that it doesn't? You are the one claiming to know the AF performance of K-1 is worse then D5, Asashiflex didn't claim the AF was better, worse or equal. He just wont exclude any of those possibilities.
You are not correct. No any word - better, worse, equal of D5 from me.

I don't know, but I guess...
Because the history of digital AF system of Pentax cameras says that it's unreal for Pentax
to be close to reportage cameras of other brands and Pentax AF system was far behind the best AF system of other brands some time ago.
Ricoh's cameras are not outstanding cameras in terms of AF too. I would say - rather mediocre.

It's fact that Pentax AF system was one of the weakest between competitors from *ist D till K-5's generation. K-3 is close or equal to the ordinary AF-S systems of other brands in the same price level. AF-C of Pentax hardly struggle with other AF systems.

That's why the claiming that For all we know they might have been working on the best AF ever made. is strange for me.
The best AF ever made - who can confirm it? How could believe in it?

I don't see any necessary prerequisites for breakthrough.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Can you confirm that K-1's AF system is better than D500/D5's AF
As a user of current Nikon and Canon high-end DSLRs Pentax will have to make a leap of several generations to catch up to Nikon, the K3 comes very close to matching the AF of other high end APS-C DSLRs. But full format will push SAVOX hard to perform at the level of current FX format DSLRs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
I think the only thing Ogl can confirm is that he doesn't like Pentax.
I don't have any feelings as LIKE, LOVE and HATE if we say about any gears.

I'm realist. If K-1 can reach D5's AF system, it could be cool. If it couldn't - I don't care. It couldn't upset me.

But I don't see how it could be.

Do you really think that Ricoh could produce the same AF system with 2 times lower price than D5?
The sales volume of D5 and D500 will be MUCH higher than all Pentax cameras together.

To produce very complex AF system and cover the expenses are rather hard task for so small company as Ricoh.

That's why Ricoh will offer another advantages in K-1 (with good AF (I hope), but not the best AF).
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Do you really think that Ricoh could produce the same AF system with 2 times lower price than D5?
Like it or not, OGL has a good point there.
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