K1 pics new update with da lenses this time

normhead · 12-25-2015, 07:26 AM

Exciting stuff. For myself, the more effective reach with the same lens thing is still pretty important. I can't imagine going back to the larger less dense sensor. If I want wider on APS-c I use my Sigma 8-16. If I want longer on FF, well my A-400 becomes the equivalent of 265mm lens. I'm used to it being an A-600 on APS-c. I shouldn't have to expound on the disadvantages of carrying a 600mm lens as opposed to a 400. (ALthough when the D750 dudes are her, I do. (Someone has to interrupt the "I am so in love with my FF camera" monologue, and bring them back from la la land.)

As things stand to date, I'm going to have to see she pretty compelling images to interest me. My guess, is, I rent one of them for a couple of weeks when they become available You can read all you want about different formats, You don't know anything until you work with it. For large format I'm still thinking used 645d. The FF is going to have to sell me.

Kunzite · 12-25-2015, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Too much Christmas spirit, I reckon.

PS: I think he meant that, if the 55-300 covered the full 35mm frame at 300, then using the crop mode will give it the field of view that a 450 would give on a 35mm frame. It just didn't actually read that way.

Hmm... which kind of spirits?

Yet another example when the correct way of describing things is much simpler than the 'simplification'

The lens projects an image. You capture and use from that image a rectangle of whatever size (and you can make that decision in camera, in post and even after print, with a pair of scissors). That's it

mee · 12-25-2015, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Scintilla

I think it was more that if it covers the 35mm frame at 55, then you get 35mm-equivalent FoVs from 55 at the wide end (in FF mode) to 450 at the tight end (in crop mode).

Yep!

And thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt where others in this thread would not.. we have some rather unfriendly/unpolite folks here mixed with the friendly/polite ones as yourself.

bertwert · 12-25-2015, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Tom S.

Until I saw it has APS capability, I wasn't too interested. Now I am!

Why wouldn't it have it? BTW you can always crop in post.

Tom S. · 12-25-2015, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by bertwert

Why wouldn't it have it? BTW you can always crop in post.

I can't say why it wouldn't because I didn't know it was something that could be made optional. I knew you could crop, but adding to post processing isn't something I am interested in doing.

zmohie · 12-25-2015, 09:29 AM

simple and complicated Q; K1 seems to be 2 cameras in one/full frame and APS/C/on demand ..is this camera will be the k3 series killer!!!
Is Ricoh intend to go a similar way nikon like!! no successor to d300s ..no succesor to k3ii !!!

Kunzite · 12-25-2015, 09:33 AM

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

If we didn't all suddenly got richer, then APS-C is here to stay.

bertwert · 12-25-2015, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

If we didn't all suddenly got richer, then APS-C is here to stay.

aleonx3 · 12-25-2015, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

Maybe more like a K5ii - the Sensor area of a FF vs. an APSC is about 2.25x (H 1.5x times W 1.5x) - typically 36mp full frame cameras have a 16mp crop mode. To get K3 resolution when cropped you need a > 50mp sensor.

I guess you are right, UncleVanya, it would be more like k-5IIs pixel wise built into the k-1 FF...but it is still good as long as the sensor dynamic range remains the same or better.

**jatrax** · 12-25-2015, 10:18 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by zmohie

Is Ricoh intend to go a similar way nikon like!! no successor to d300s ..no succesor to k3ii !!!

News flash 2014: Pentax is doomed because it has no FF
News flash 2016: Pentax is doomed because it has APS-C

sigh.

aleonx3 · 12-25-2015, 10:29 AM

The way I look at it in reference to the new Pentax k-1 FF and the existence of k-3 or like models. Hence, I don't think Ricoh will abandon the APS-C line.
-for those who want to shoot both FF and APS-C, the obvious choice would be a k-1 FF (two cameras in one), as it has a bigger/brighter viewfinder which most people like.
-for those who just want to shoot solely with APS-C (mainly for the reach and perhaps less weight), the choice would be a k-3 and/or successors.

bertwert · 12-25-2015, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by aleonx3

mainly for the reach and perhaps less weight

And price.

**clackers** · 12-25-2015, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by zmohie

simple and complicated Q; K1 seems to be 2 cameras in one/full frame and APS/C/on demand ..is this camera will be the k3 series killer!!!

???

In APS-C mode you throw away more than half your pixels.

36 or 42Mps, it will still be less than the K-3.

Mistral75 · 12-25-2015, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by clackers

???

In APS-C mode you throw away more than half your pixels.

36 or 42Mps, it will still be less than the K-3.

You also throw away more than half of your viewfinder, ending with one much smaller than that of an APS-C camera.

pathdoc · 12-25-2015, 01:27 PM

If I am going to end up with K5-level pixel densities on this thing in APS-C mode, I'll not be unhappy at all. I already have the K-5, so unlike current K-3 users I'm not going to miss a thing in APS-C mode and with any luck I'll score a no-AA filter with better processing algorithms and other goodies.

I can live with that.

More and more, though, I'm thinking we're not going to get a decrippled mount. They say "compatible with all lenses", but they keep mentioning the FA series half in the same breath. Until "compatible with all lenses" is better clarified, I think I'll resign myself to the current situation. Then I'll have the joy of being proved wrong instead of the crushing disappointment. Best of both worlds!!

12-25-2015, 08:28 AM	#33
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Scintilla I think it was more that if it covers the 35mm frame at 55, then you get 35mm-equivalent FoVs from 55 at the wide end (in FF mode) to 450 at the tight end (in crop mode). Yep! And thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt where others in this thread would not.. we have some rather unfriendly/unpolite folks here mixed with the friendly/polite ones as yourself. Last edited by mee; 12-25-2015 at 08:34 AM.

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12-25-2015, 07:26 AM	#31
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Exciting stuff. For myself, the more effective reach with the same lens thing is still pretty important. I can't imagine going back to the larger less dense sensor. If I want wider on APS-c I use my Sigma 8-16. If I want longer on FF, well my A-400 becomes the equivalent of 265mm lens. I'm used to it being an A-600 on APS-c. I shouldn't have to expound on the disadvantages of carrying a 600mm lens as opposed to a 400. (ALthough when the D750 dudes are her, I do. (Someone has to interrupt the "I am so in love with my FF camera" monologue, and bring them back from la la land.) As things stand to date, I'm going to have to see she pretty compelling images to interest me. My guess, is, I rent one of them for a couple of weeks when they become available You can read all you want about different formats, You don't know anything until you work with it. For large format I'm still thinking used 645d. The FF is going to have to sell me.

12-25-2015, 07:53 AM	#32
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Too much Christmas spirit, I reckon. PS: I think he meant that, if the 55-300 covered the full 35mm frame at 300, then using the crop mode will give it the field of view that a 450 would give on a 35mm frame. It just didn't actually read that way. Hmm... which kind of spirits? Yet another example when the correct way of describing things is much simpler than the 'simplification' The lens projects an image. You capture and use from that image a rectangle of whatever size (and you can make that decision in camera, in post and even after print, with a pair of scissors). That's it

12-25-2015, 08:37 AM	#34
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by Tom S. Until I saw it has APS capability, I wasn't too interested. Now I am! Why wouldn't it have it? BTW you can always crop in post.

12-25-2015, 09:00 AM	#35
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	Originally posted by bertwert Why wouldn't it have it? BTW you can always crop in post. I can't say why it wouldn't because I didn't know it was something that could be made optional. I knew you could crop, but adding to post processing isn't something I am interested in doing.

12-25-2015, 09:29 AM	#36
zmohie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: egypt Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 435 Original Poster	simple and complicated Q; K1 seems to be 2 cameras in one/full frame and APS/C/on demand ..is this camera will be the k3 series killer!!! Is Ricoh intend to go a similar way nikon like!! no successor to d300s ..no succesor to k3ii !!!

12-25-2015, 09:33 AM	#37
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	The sky is falling! The sky is falling! If we didn't all suddenly got richer, then APS-C is here to stay.

12-25-2015, 09:36 AM	#38
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by Kunzite If we didn't all suddenly got richer, then APS-C is here to stay.

12-25-2015, 10:17 AM	#39
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by UncleVanya Maybe more like a K5ii - the Sensor area of a FF vs. an APSC is about 2.25x (H 1.5x times W 1.5x) - typically 36mp full frame cameras have a 16mp crop mode. To get K3 resolution when cropped you need a > 50mp sensor. I guess you are right, UncleVanya, it would be more like k-5IIs pixel wise built into the k-1 FF...but it is still good as long as the sensor dynamic range remains the same or better.

12-25-2015, 10:18 AM - 2 Likes	#40
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by zmohie Is Ricoh intend to go a similar way nikon like!! no successor to d300s ..no succesor to k3ii !!! News flash 2014: Pentax is doomed because it has no FF News flash 2016: Pentax is doomed because it has APS-C sigh.

12-25-2015, 10:29 AM	#41
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	The way I look at it in reference to the new Pentax k-1 FF and the existence of k-3 or like models. Hence, I don't think Ricoh will abandon the APS-C line. -for those who want to shoot both FF and APS-C, the obvious choice would be a k-1 FF (two cameras in one), as it has a bigger/brighter viewfinder which most people like. -for those who just want to shoot solely with APS-C (mainly for the reach and perhaps less weight), the choice would be a k-3 and/or successors.

12-25-2015, 10:56 AM	#42
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by aleonx3 mainly for the reach and perhaps less weight And price.

12-25-2015, 11:04 AM	#43
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by zmohie simple and complicated Q; K1 seems to be 2 cameras in one/full frame and APS/C/on demand ..is this camera will be the k3 series killer!!! ??? In APS-C mode you throw away more than half your pixels. 36 or 42Mps, it will still be less than the K-3.

12-25-2015, 12:43 PM	#44
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by clackers ??? In APS-C mode you throw away more than half your pixels. 36 or 42Mps, it will still be less than the K-3. You also throw away more than half of your viewfinder, ending with one much smaller than that of an APS-C camera.

12-25-2015, 01:27 PM	#45
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	If I am going to end up with K5-level pixel densities on this thing in APS-C mode, I'll not be unhappy at all. I already have the K-5, so unlike current K-3 users I'm not going to miss a thing in APS-C mode and with any luck I'll score a no-AA filter with better processing algorithms and other goodies. I can live with that. More and more, though, I'm thinking we're not going to get a decrippled mount. They say "compatible with all lenses", but they keep mentioning the FA series half in the same breath. Until "compatible with all lenses" is better clarified, I think I'll resign myself to the current situation. Then I'll have the joy of being proved wrong instead of the crushing disappointment. Best of both worlds!!