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01-22-2016, 05:59 AM   #586
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nass Quote
(...) ostensibly I'm a lower tier K-3II ambassador, but that hasn't stopped me letting them use K-7, K-5 and K-3II images; nor has that stopped them lending me a different (waterproof) camera next month for a trip I'm making to make underwater photos.
A waterproof version of K-3 II?!



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I'm not sure how informed you really are about the ambassador program - there's more to it that this; images do already get used, but you probably just haven't seen them. In fact there are different programs for different countries and even different tiers of programs within countries. How, when, where and which images get used depends on the local PR outfit that's in charge of the program in that country and the ambassador's agreement with them. The agreement isn't with Pentax central it's with a local PR outfit. I'm not sure if ambassadors are always just camera-specific either; ostensibly I'm a lower tier K-3II ambassador, but that hasn't stopped me letting them use K-7, K-5 and K-3II images; nor has that stopped them lending me a different (waterproof) camera next month for a trip I'm making to make underwater photos.
Well if I don't stumble into them, then how effective is the use of those images.
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Maybe you're not the main target of the ambassador program.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Glorfindelrb Quote
Maybe you're not the main target of the ambassador program.
Who is?


Our militairy had an international program in some far and dangerous country, some years ago. Goal was to keep peace, but it was very scary outside the compount. This was all under UN flag. So they didn't left compount for almost two months saying the program was very succesfull and no losses among the own people.

It's nice that images are shown to your own people, but maybe the world should be bigger.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Nass Quote
I'm not sure how informed you really are about the ambassador program - there's more to it that this; images do already get used, but you probably just haven't seen them. In fact there are different programs for different countries and even different tiers of programs within countries. How, when, where and which images get used depends on the local PR outfit that's in charge of the program in that country and the ambassador's agreement with them. The agreement isn't with Pentax central it's with a local PR outfit. I'm not sure if ambassadors are always just camera-specific either; ostensibly I'm a lower tier K-3II ambassador, but that hasn't stopped me letting them use K-7, K-5 and K-3II images; nor has that stopped them lending me a different (waterproof) camera next month for a trip I'm making to make underwater photos.
QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
I dont know if there are others that are more then just K-3 ambassadors either..beside me..If so, even i dont know who..haha!

But Ricoh can't or won't fight with the big boys here..not yet..
QuoteOriginally posted by Glorfindelrb Quote
Maybe you're not the main target of the ambassador program.
So you are maybe right. Did I do my research, before that post. Well no, to be honest. I made that post based on my builded knowledge about Pentax and I add sometimes some new things to it. So time for some research.

Looked into Ricoh Imaging. Searched for the Norwegian site and wondered into K-3ii and sample images provided by Ricoh Imaging (no different then for the Dutch site). No image from Kenspo. I don't blame Kenspo for this, because I think he did make images with the K-3ii, but they should be presented at least one or two in this place at that link.

http://www.ricoh-imaging.no/no/digital-slr/bilder/samples/PENTAX-K-3-II-DSLR.html


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I'm not sure gathering pictures is the aim either, maybe that's mainly to get field feedback / expectations from specific users or just to keep a minimal visibility (Nass is running a website about macro-photography and I was happy to see some Pentax stuff there before realizing he was on PF).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Glorfindelrb Quote
Maybe you're not the main target of the ambassador program.
Possibly, but I also I think he doesn't consume the media in which the ambassador program has effect. This sort of marketing is more granular than people like Ron might think - specific ambassador types are probably only known or visible in their own niches, so that's where we might have an effect or be known. My stuff's not seen much outside of my own personal outlets for example.

This is a perfectly normal marketing strategy for smaller companies - don't try and be all things to all men, instead just try and do one or two things well. Then build on that. I'm a Head of Marketing in the dayjob, and I've used this strategy successfully for years and years. But, I don't speak for Pentax central marketing, other country PR programs or duties of other ambassadors - I can only relate my own experience and the few facts I do know about the program from personal involvement.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Nass Quote
Possibly, but I also I think he doesn't consume the media in which the ambassador program has effect. This sort of marketing is more granular than people like Ron might think - specific ambassador types are probably only known or visible in specific niches, so that's where we might have an effect or be known. My stuff's not seen much outside of my own personal outlets for example.

This is a perfectly normal marketing strategy for smaller companies - don't try and be all things to all men, instead just try and do one or two things well. Then build on that. I'm a Head of Marketing in the dayjob, and I've used this strategy successfully for years and years. But, I don't speak for Pentax central marketing, other country PR programs or duties of other ambassadors - I can only relate my own experience and the few facts I do know about the program from personal involvement.
I think this is what should be done. If someone is a wildlife shooter or shoots heavy metal bands or landscapes, it makes the most sense to have someone they know and respect, who shoots similar type things post positive things on their own personal website. This is the sort of thing that we do see from ambassadors and otherwise -- I particularly see it with some of the 645z shooters.
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Personally, I think that the photos are from just run of the mill Ricoh/Pentax employees who were given unmarked camera for a brief period of time to use. Then they had them report back their experiences. We are seeing snapshots so far, Kodak used to do that all the time. Excellent source of feedback on ergonomics. menus etc. Giving a camera to a pro is also good, but they will make great images with a pinhole camera if that is all they have to use. Feedback is needed from both the green square PHD (Push Here Dummy) crowd and those who want to dive deep into the camera to see see what features it has and how they can use them.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
A waterproof version of K-3 II?!

Rather a salivaproof version, I'd asume.
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Anyway, I'm a sucker for an eccentric underdog and my choice of products often reflects this - I shoot Pentax, ride a handbuilt English steel mountain bike (Cotic Soul), drive a TVR sports car and a Saab convertible, listen to music on a naim audio system. Compare this with my Canon shooting mate who rides a Specialised carbon mountain bike, drives an Audi and listens to music on a Japanese hi-fi or an Apple i-something or other!! He's mainstream, I'm not - maybe there's something in this after all!
For a slightly more eccentric touch, you might consider walking!
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I have to say that much as I enjoyed seeing the teaser shots and the site, the pictures don't really do anything to impress and if I were put in charge of Pentax marketing I would be using images from my Ambassador test team to show what the new camera can do - much as Nikon has done with he D5 and the article posted earlier. On the other hand there is something very 'Pentax' about the way they're going about things LOL!! I almost admire them for their quirky, bizarre, fawlty towers style marketing campaign and it does make a refreshing change from the usual corporate 'spin' that normal companies like Canon, Nikon, Fuji etc would put out...

What other company would show pictures taken with a lens it doesn't even make anymore (FA* 85mm F1.4) - even if it is a stunning lens!

Anyway, I'm a sucker for an eccentric underdog and my choice of products often reflects this - I shoot Pentax, ride a handbuilt English steel mountain bike (Cotic Soul), drive a TVR sports car and a Saab convertible, listen to music on a naim audio system. Compare this with my Canon shooting mate who rides a Specialised carbon mountain bike, drives an Audi and listens to music on a Japanese hi-fi or an Apple i-something or other!! He's mainstream, I'm not - maybe there's something in this after all!

Haing literally this week bough a 77mm limited brand new I'd be very grateful if anyone in the know could let me know off the record if there's about to be a model change because I still have a few days to return it unused and wouldn't want to have paid the £800 UK price I paid if they're about to launch a new improved version!!

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I should have my SAAB convertible fixed up and back on the road long before I ever worry about the release of the FF Pentax And I am slow at getting things done. I do hope the FF is out before I even think of working on my SAABs or Pentax is truly doomed,
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nass Quote
Possibly, but I also I think he doesn't consume the media in which the ambassador program has effect. This sort of marketing is more granular than people like Ron might think - specific ambassador types are probably only known or visible in their own niches, so that's where we might have an effect or be known. My stuff's not seen much outside of my own personal outlets for example.

This is a perfectly normal marketing strategy for smaller companies - don't try and be all things to all men, instead just try and do one or two things well. Then build on that. I'm a Head of Marketing in the dayjob, and I've used this strategy successfully for years and years. But, I don't speak for Pentax central marketing, other country PR programs or duties of other ambassadors - I can only relate my own experience and the few facts I do know about the program from personal involvement.
The thing is. Outside the "Pentax bubble" of forums and the like I know more people who own a Theta then have a K-3ii. I do know some sales men in shops and there is really only one who would sell you a Pentax if you where open to different brands.
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I should have my SAAB convertible fixed up and back on the road long before I ever worry about the release of the FF Pentax And I am slow at getting things done. I do hope the FF is out before I even think of working on my SAABs or Pentax is truly doomed,
SAAB is dooooooooommmmmmed...wait a minute...

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SAAB is dooooooooommmmmmed...wait a minute...

(Former 1991 900T conv. and 2000 9-3 conv. owner)
Forecasting SAABs doom is quite easy as is forecasting that neither Packard or Rambler are going to last.

Pentax's doom has been greatly exagerated

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SAAB is dooooooooommmmmmed...wait a minute...

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Ha....I had a fantastic Saab...but then again it was an Impreza wrx hatch with a Saab badge.
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