K1 pics new update with da lenses this time

zmohie · 12-24-2015, 05:19 AM - **1 Like**

**gaweidert** · 12-24-2015, 05:46 AM

When I retire at the end of March, this may be my retirement present to myself. (I avoided he use gift as it may confuse our German speaking members.)

It looks like certain DA lenses may work just fine in the full framer mode. It does seem that the images released so fare are more snapshot than pro quality. And of course an image of a squirrel.

indy · 12-24-2015, 06:05 AM - **1 Like**

Squirrels....the Ricoh folks are surely following this forum. In a week or two they will update their site with reptile immages.

starjedi · 12-24-2015, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by zmohie

Full Frame by PENTAX | RICOH IMAGING

Thanks for sharing. Good to know that DA560 also fully supports FF... I used to believe 560 is most expensive APS-C lens..

Last edited by starjedi; 12-24-2015 at 06:23 AM.

pathdoc · 12-24-2015, 06:26 AM

This is an interesting statement:

Quote:

The APS-C setting records only the image captured within the APS-C image circle where the resolution is higher than peripheral areas.

I feel something is being lost in translation here, but could it possibly mean that the pixel density is not uniform across the sensor???? OR are they referring to the fact that the best parts of an FA lens are in the centre? Time will tell.

Quote:

The AUTO setting automatically selects the appropriate image size for the lens mounted on the camera. It selects either a 35mm full-frame image size for D FA- and FA-series lenses, or an APS-C image size for DA- and DA L-series lenses.

This is very informative. Basically, it seems anything prior to an FA series lens will require you to set FF mode manually (important if you were in crop mode previously).

The best part of all, of course, is that they have confirmed the existence of full-time manual override, and the nature and number of crop modes (i.e. one). Now all that remains is to see how they have managed what we see in the viewfinder.

**ramseybuckeye** · 12-24-2015, 06:51 AM - **1 Like**

zmohie, thanks for sharing this. I like the fact that they have the FF mode and you can make the decisions. Really having all three of these modes makes sense, as long as you don't forget which you are in.

Ole · 12-24-2015, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by pathdoc

I feel something is being lost in translation here, but could it possibly mean that the pixel density is not uniform across the sensor???? OR are they referring to the fact that the best parts of an FA lens are in the centre? Time will tell.

They must be referring to the resolution of the lens.

pathdoc · 12-24-2015, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Ole

They must be referring to the resolution of the lens.

On reflection that's what I thought as well, but I know how much we all love a good crazy hypothesis.

**UncleVanya** · 12-24-2015, 07:10 AM

This was useful but I would love more detail on this point.

Quote:

The APS-C setting captures all images in an APS-C image size, regardless of the lens**, while displaying a cropping frame in the camera’s viewfinder.

pathdoc · 12-24-2015, 07:13 AM

If they can display the focus point as a red square, they can surely display a cropping frame in the same manner.

Ole · 12-24-2015, 07:14 AM

My crazy hypothesis regarding the almost too perfect FF images from DA lenses is that the camera corrects for the likely excessive vignetting these lenses produce. Perhaps it even employs a graduted unsharp mask, increasing the effect towards the corners?

pathdoc · 12-24-2015, 07:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Ole

My crazy hypothesis regarding the almost too perfect FF images from DA lenses is that the camera corrects for the likely excessive vignetting these lenses produce.

Mine is that they've been doing their testing and have chosen only those lenses (so far) that play well in FF mode.

Not a Number · 12-24-2015, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by pathdoc

This is very informative. Basically, it seems anything prior to an FA series lens will require you to set FF mode manually (important if you were in crop mode previously).

The best part of all, of course, is that they have confirmed the existence of full-time manual override, and the nature and number of crop modes (i.e. one). Now all that remains is to see how they have managed what we see in the viewfinder.

Ricoh could always rebadge and re-chip the existing DA lenses in production that have acceptable FF image circles as DFA. And Ricoh could flag the un-rebadge versions in firmware to use FF in auto mode.

wissink · 12-24-2015, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by indy

Squirrels....the Ricoh folks are surely following this forum. In a week or two they will update their site with reptile immages.

Certainly cats as well...

**luftfluss** · 12-24-2015, 09:32 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by indy

Squirrels....the Ricoh folks are surely following this forum. In a week or two they will update their site with reptile immages.

I had no idea that Rupert is product testing for Ricoh. I wonder if Otis knows Rupert is cheating on him?

12-24-2015, 05:19 AM - 1 Like	#1
zmohie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: egypt Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 435	K1 pics new update with da lenses this time Full Frame by PENTAX \| RICOH IMAGING

12-24-2015, 06:26 AM	#5
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	This is an interesting statement: Quote: The APS-C setting records only the image captured within the APS-C image circle where the resolution is higher than peripheral areas. I feel something is being lost in translation here, but could it possibly mean that the pixel density is not uniform across the sensor???? OR are they referring to the fact that the best parts of an FA lens are in the centre? Time will tell. Quote: The AUTO setting automatically selects the appropriate image size for the lens mounted on the camera. It selects either a 35mm full-frame image size for D FA- and FA-series lenses, or an APS-C image size for DA- and DA L-series lenses. This is very informative. Basically, it seems anything prior to an FA series lens will require you to set FF mode manually (important if you were in crop mode previously). The best part of all, of course, is that they have confirmed the existence of full-time manual override, and the nature and number of crop modes (i.e. one). Now all that remains is to see how they have managed what we see in the viewfinder. Last edited by pathdoc; 12-24-2015 at 06:32 AM.

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12-24-2015, 05:46 AM	#2
gaweidert Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,325	When I retire at the end of March, this may be my retirement present to myself. (I avoided he use gift as it may confuse our German speaking members.) It looks like certain DA lenses may work just fine in the full framer mode. It does seem that the images released so fare are more snapshot than pro quality. And of course an image of a squirrel.

12-24-2015, 06:05 AM - 1 Like	#3
indy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana Photos: Gallery Posts: 274	Squirrels....the Ricoh folks are surely following this forum. In a week or two they will update their site with reptile immages.

12-24-2015, 06:11 AM	#4
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by zmohie Full Frame by PENTAX \| RICOH IMAGING Thanks for sharing. Good to know that DA560 also fully supports FF... I used to believe 560 is most expensive APS-C lens.. Last edited by starjedi; 12-24-2015 at 06:23 AM.

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ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,291	zmohie, thanks for sharing this. I like the fact that they have the FF mode and you can make the decisions. Really having all three of these modes makes sense, as long as you don't forget which you are in.

12-24-2015, 06:52 AM	#7
Ole Administrator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,408	Originally posted by pathdoc I feel something is being lost in translation here, but could it possibly mean that the pixel density is not uniform across the sensor???? OR are they referring to the fact that the best parts of an FA lens are in the centre? Time will tell. They must be referring to the resolution of the lens.

12-24-2015, 07:01 AM	#8
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Ole They must be referring to the resolution of the lens. On reflection that's what I thought as well, but I know how much we all love a good crazy hypothesis.

12-24-2015, 07:10 AM	#9
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,400	This was useful but I would love more detail on this point. Quote: The APS-C setting captures all images in an APS-C image size, regardless of the lens**, while displaying a cropping frame in the camera’s viewfinder.

12-24-2015, 07:13 AM	#10
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	If they can display the focus point as a red square, they can surely display a cropping frame in the same manner.

12-24-2015, 07:14 AM	#11
Ole Administrator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,408	My crazy hypothesis regarding the almost too perfect FF images from DA lenses is that the camera corrects for the likely excessive vignetting these lenses produce. Perhaps it even employs a graduted unsharp mask, increasing the effect towards the corners?

12-24-2015, 07:27 AM - 1 Like	#12
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Ole My crazy hypothesis regarding the almost too perfect FF images from DA lenses is that the camera corrects for the likely excessive vignetting these lenses produce. Mine is that they've been doing their testing and have chosen only those lenses (so far) that play well in FF mode.

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12-24-2015, 07:32 AM	#13
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by pathdoc This is very informative. Basically, it seems anything prior to an FA series lens will require you to set FF mode manually (important if you were in crop mode previously). The best part of all, of course, is that they have confirmed the existence of full-time manual override, and the nature and number of crop modes (i.e. one). Now all that remains is to see how they have managed what we see in the viewfinder. Ricoh could always rebadge and re-chip the existing DA lenses in production that have acceptable FF image circles as DFA. And Ricoh could flag the un-rebadge versions in firmware to use FF in auto mode.

12-24-2015, 09:17 AM	#14
wissink Veteran Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: S-ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 609	Originally posted by indy Squirrels....the Ricoh folks are surely following this forum. In a week or two they will update their site with reptile immages. Certainly cats as well...

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luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by indy Squirrels....the Ricoh folks are surely following this forum. In a week or two they will update their site with reptile immages. I had no idea that Rupert is product testing for Ricoh. I wonder if Otis knows Rupert is cheating on him?