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bertwert · 02-12-2016, 07:43 AM

I know it is updated, but do we really need another thread?

Kunzite · 02-12-2016, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Fogel70

It depends on what they compare with when they say: "PENTAX’s 35mm full-frame digital SLR camera provides a shake reduction mechanism far more advanced than any previous mechanism".
Is it in any previous camera?, any previous DSLR?, any previous FF DSLR?, any previous Pentax DSLR?, or any previous Pentax FF DSLR? Or something else?

I'd say, compared to the K-3II's.

**monochrome** · 02-12-2016, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Fogel70

It depends on what they compare with when they say: "PENTAX’s 35mm full-frame digital SLR camera provides a shake reduction mechanism far more advanced than any previous mechanism".
Is it in any previous camera?, any previous DSLR?, any previous FF DSLR?, any previous Pentax DSLR?, or any previous Pentax FF DSLR? Or something else?

It says "Pentax's 35mm full-frame digital SLR camera provides a Shake Reduction mechanism far more advanced than any previous mechanism . . ." I interpret that to mean more advanced than any previous Pentax SR - perhaps 5-axis.

Fogel70 · 02-12-2016, 11:20 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

It says "Pentax's 35mm full-frame digital SLR camera provides a Shake Reduction mechanism far more advanced than any previous mechanism . . ." I interpret that to mean more advanced than any previous Pentax SR - perhaps 5-axis.

I don't think 5-axis SR will be implemented. Older lenses do not have accurate focus distance info for this, and I don't think that has been improved on new D FA lenses either. And the extra 2 axis is basically a video feature that do not improve photography much (except for macro), so I don't think Ricoh put much priority on it.

If they indicate improvement over earlier Pentax SR mechanism, I would guess it means using higher resolution accelerometers for higher precision in the reading of the shake pattern, and also higher precision in regulating the motion of the sensor. It could also include more processing power and regulating power for quicker response on SR which would give better effectiveness on longer focal length (as hinted).

**Spodeworld** · 02-12-2016, 12:28 PM

I hope this means that the successor to the K3ii will inherit the improved SR and AF. And, I hope it is a very noticeable improvement.

AOCO · 02-12-2016, 01:17 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rawr

What a weird series of teaser updates the last two have been - all about lenses that have already been released [hence no tease], little at all to do with the camera itself.

Yes a teaser without tease that's far more advanced than anybody expected.
I usualy don't like to critisize in advance but this teaser is becoming tedious. We already know the next issue will be about the 70/200mm. I thought they have big things to announce about their new camera, but I'm afraid they don't have that much to say after all. They have a new camera and they talk about lenses ? This temporisation doesn't seems a very good sign to me! After the presentation of the K-1, all the specs will be known and what could they announce to update their communication ?

I'm sorry about all those bad vibes I hope the following announcements will be more interesting!

**Erictator** · 02-12-2016, 02:28 PM

Something special with the viewfinder... hmmm...

Hey! I got it! A great rumor to start...

The prism top is removable like the old LX, and you can swap focus screens, swap in an optional electronic viewfinder, or optional waist level finder, or, a pasta maker! Whoops, nix that last one.

Adam · 02-12-2016, 10:53 PM - **1 Like**

The SR system has better be way more advanced, otherwise it'd only be able to stabilize a sensor half as large

bwDraco · 02-13-2016, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Fogel70

If they indicate improvement over earlier Pentax SR mechanism, I would guess it means using higher resolution accelerometers for higher precision in the reading of the shake pattern, and also higher precision in regulating the motion of the sensor.

This improvement was already made with the K-3 II, and was one of several key changes over the K-3. Are you sure they would update the accelerometers again?

kooks · 02-13-2016, 08:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bwDraco

This improvement was already made with the K-3 II, and was one of several key changes over the K-3. Are you sure they would update the accelerometers again?

I think that Asahiman said a while ago that the entire unit is new.. so yes, it was updated if you compare it with the K3ii. I could be wrong but I recall that.

**jatrax** · 02-13-2016, 09:43 PM

Regardless of any improvement it has to be a completely new unit. Sensor size is not the same so at the least it had to be redesigned to accommodate the larger, and heavier FF sensor. And it seems likely that since Ricoh has made such a point of mentioning the SR mechanism as technology they intended to leverage that they would continue to develop and improve it.

**ffking** · 02-14-2016, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

the SR mechanism as technology they intended to leverage that they would continue to develop and improve it.

Apart from anything else the inventive uses of that mechanism for other purposes (AA-simulator, astrotracer, auto levelling, pixel shift) is one of the Pentax USPs and playing to your strengths is never a bad strategy

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02-12-2016, 07:43 AM	#16
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	I know it is updated, but do we really need another thread?

02-12-2016, 08:20 AM	#17
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Fogel70 It depends on what they compare with when they say: "PENTAX’s 35mm full-frame digital SLR camera provides a shake reduction mechanism far more advanced than any previous mechanism". Is it in any previous camera?, any previous DSLR?, any previous FF DSLR?, any previous Pentax DSLR?, or any previous Pentax FF DSLR? Or something else? I'd say, compared to the K-3II's.

02-12-2016, 08:32 AM	#18
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Fogel70 It depends on what they compare with when they say: "PENTAX’s 35mm full-frame digital SLR camera provides a shake reduction mechanism far more advanced than any previous mechanism". Is it in any previous camera?, any previous DSLR?, any previous FF DSLR?, any previous Pentax DSLR?, or any previous Pentax FF DSLR? Or something else? It says "Pentax's 35mm full-frame digital SLR camera provides a Shake Reduction mechanism far more advanced than any previous mechanism . . ." I interpret that to mean more advanced than any previous Pentax SR - perhaps 5-axis.

02-12-2016, 11:20 AM - 1 Like	#19
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by monochrome It says "Pentax's 35mm full-frame digital SLR camera provides a Shake Reduction mechanism far more advanced than any previous mechanism . . ." I interpret that to mean more advanced than any previous Pentax SR - perhaps 5-axis. I don't think 5-axis SR will be implemented. Older lenses do not have accurate focus distance info for this, and I don't think that has been improved on new D FA lenses either. And the extra 2 axis is basically a video feature that do not improve photography much (except for macro), so I don't think Ricoh put much priority on it. If they indicate improvement over earlier Pentax SR mechanism, I would guess it means using higher resolution accelerometers for higher precision in the reading of the shake pattern, and also higher precision in regulating the motion of the sensor. It could also include more processing power and regulating power for quicker response on SR which would give better effectiveness on longer focal length (as hinted).

02-12-2016, 12:28 PM	#20
Spodeworld Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Joisey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,370	I hope this means that the successor to the K3ii will inherit the improved SR and AF. And, I hope it is a very noticeable improvement.

02-12-2016, 01:17 PM - 1 Like	#21
AOCO Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Paris Posts: 42	Originally posted by rawr What a weird series of teaser updates the last two have been - all about lenses that have already been released [hence no tease], little at all to do with the camera itself. Yes a teaser without tease that's far more advanced than anybody expected. I usualy don't like to critisize in advance but this teaser is becoming tedious. We already know the next issue will be about the 70/200mm. I thought they have big things to announce about their new camera, but I'm afraid they don't have that much to say after all. They have a new camera and they talk about lenses ? This temporisation doesn't seems a very good sign to me! After the presentation of the K-1, all the specs will be known and what could they announce to update their communication ? I'm sorry about all those bad vibes I hope the following announcements will be more interesting!

02-12-2016, 02:28 PM	#22
Erictator Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,352	Something special with the viewfinder... hmmm... Hey! I got it! A great rumor to start... The prism top is removable like the old LX, and you can swap focus screens, swap in an optional electronic viewfinder, or optional waist level finder, or, a pasta maker! Whoops, nix that last one.

02-13-2016, 08:21 PM	#24
bwDraco Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York Photos: Albums Posts: 1,071	Originally posted by Fogel70 If they indicate improvement over earlier Pentax SR mechanism, I would guess it means using higher resolution accelerometers for higher precision in the reading of the shake pattern, and also higher precision in regulating the motion of the sensor. This improvement was already made with the K-3 II, and was one of several key changes over the K-3. Are you sure they would update the accelerometers again?

02-13-2016, 08:44 PM - 1 Like	#25
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by bwDraco This improvement was already made with the K-3 II, and was one of several key changes over the K-3. Are you sure they would update the accelerometers again? I think that Asahiman said a while ago that the entire unit is new.. so yes, it was updated if you compare it with the K3ii. I could be wrong but I recall that.

02-13-2016, 09:43 PM	#26
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Regardless of any improvement it has to be a completely new unit. Sensor size is not the same so at the least it had to be redesigned to accommodate the larger, and heavier FF sensor. And it seems likely that since Ricoh has made such a point of mentioning the SR mechanism as technology they intended to leverage that they would continue to develop and improve it.

02-14-2016, 12:33 AM	#27
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,039	Originally posted by jatrax the SR mechanism as technology they intended to leverage that they would continue to develop and improve it. Apart from anything else the inventive uses of that mechanism for other purposes (AA-simulator, astrotracer, auto levelling, pixel shift) is one of the Pentax USPs and playing to your strengths is never a bad strategy

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