K-1 Specs

asahi man · 02-12-2016, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by ogl

There are such cameras.
D810's ISO100 is real ISO75
ISO64 is real ISO47

K-5IIs has ISO80 = real ISO70

Phase One P40 Plus
ISO100 = real ISO46

Phase One IQ180 Digital Back
ISO200 = real ISO60
ISO100 = real ISO29

Phase One P65Plus
ISO100 = real ISO44

Again,NOT ONE FULLFRAME Camera is using 50 iso as the true lowest iso.
The real ground iso is not 50.
PhaseOne is not fullframe/35mm Sensorsize.

**vcollerp** · 02-12-2016, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

new battery with the same or lower capacity is also an option

Sorry, same as the K3.

Zygonyx · 02-12-2016, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by vcollerp

Short answer Yes.

Confirmed.

D1N0 · 02-12-2016, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by vcollerp

Sorry, same as the K3.

would be good. Can use my K-5 batteries for the K-1

zmohie · 02-12-2016, 09:22 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by JPT

Here you are!

Original
??????K-1??????????? - ????info

English
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://digicame-info.co...ml&prev=search

36.4 mp
6.5 fps
ISO100-204,800

Note that these sensor specs don't match the D810 sensor, so it reasonable to believe this is a newly developed sensor that happens to have the same pixel count.

well done pentax!
if price is as rumored 2000$ then pentax would bring the best ff to the market!

---------- Post added 02-12-2016 at 09:27 AM ----------

Originally posted by asahi man

For what 50 iso?

your quitsion gives me an answer that k1 iso not begin from iso 50

ogl · 02-12-2016, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by asahi man

Again,NOT ONE FULLFRAME Camera is using 50 iso as the true lowest iso.
The real ground iso is not 50.
PhaseOne is not fullframe/35mm Sensorsize.

You don't understand my post. I can repeat

Nikon D810 has marked ISO100 and ISO64. And even ISO32. But ISO32 is already not real - "software ISO".
ISO64 is "hardware ISO". IT'S TRUE ISO.

D810 with ISO64 allow to make photo with exposure as real ISO47. DR is 14.76EV.

Don't forget that cameras have the highest DR at real low ISO. My K-5IIs at ISO80 is 1 STOP better than at ISO200.

Low ISO means highest DR, lowest noise and highest resolution. ISO50 is just symbolic ISO in our discussion.
Will K-1 have ISO lower than 100 or not?

80, 64 or 50...Don't care which one.

LFLee · 02-12-2016, 09:35 AM - **1 Like**

35.9 x 24.0mm

not full frame, I'll pass.

:P

ogl · 02-12-2016, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

35.9 x 24.0mm

not full frame, I'll pass.

:P

D810 is the same...

D1N0 · 02-12-2016, 09:41 AM

In the film age prints were always cropped a little

**jpzk** · 02-12-2016, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

35.9 x 24.0mm

not full frame, I'll pass.

:P

We'll have to shop for an additional 0.1 mm !!

Cambo · 02-12-2016, 10:26 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by LFLee

35.9 x 24.0mm

not full frame, I'll pass.

:P

PROOF that Pentax is doomed...DOOMED!!!

...along with Apple...

Cheers,
Cameron

Bophoto · 02-12-2016, 10:28 AM

36Mp means 15Mp in APS mode. That is OK.

VoiceOfReason · 02-12-2016, 10:32 AM

I imagine we will know all in less than 2 weeks.

biz-engineer · 02-12-2016, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Because the very same AF module is the most advanced if put in a 645z, or the most basic if put in a K-3. The expectations for the two different markets differs quite a bit.

no, the reason why the 645z get the same AF module as the K-3 is because MF is not targeted at sport and wildlife applications, therefore even if the AF is grouped in the middle of the MF frame , it's not an issue.

However, FF is having higher iso perf and still very much used for sports, which is why it makes sense to upgrade the af module on the ff camera. If Pentax uses the K-3 AF module on the FF, it's going to be a big minus for the camera, but I think there is a very high chance that Ricoh redesigned the AF module for the FF , with potentially reusing this more advanced AF into a future APSC camera, like Canon and Nikon are doing: you just get a larger frame coverage on APSC.

I'm pretty sure that the ff camera will be good to cover most people actual needs (K-3 is already such as camera), but once again, people (and also Ricoh) focus more on camera only then on lenses. That's not how to evaluate the capabilities of a camera + lenses system. Right away, if it has a full frame sensor inside, you'll immediately get less noise and more overall resolution versus APSC (I remember the times of the so good DA limited primes APSC of Pentax... that are actually wiped out by any full frame system even with an average lens on it...).

i5_david · 02-12-2016, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Bophoto

36Mp means 15Mp in APS mode. That is OK.

Isnt that calculation not the same as the crop factor?
So would APSC crop not be around 24 MPx? (24 x 1,5 = 36)
How did you calculate 15 Mpx in APS-c Mode?

02-12-2016, 09:22 AM - 1 Like	#35
zmohie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: egypt Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 435	Originally posted by JPT Here you are! Original ??????K-1??????????? - ????info English https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://digicame-info.co...ml&prev=search 36.4 mp 6.5 fps ISO100-204,800 Note that these sensor specs don't match the D810 sensor, so it reasonable to believe this is a newly developed sensor that happens to have the same pixel count. well done pentax! if price is as rumored 2000$ then pentax would bring the best ff to the market! ---------- Post added 02-12-2016 at 09:27 AM ---------- Originally posted by asahi man For what 50 iso? your quitsion gives me an answer that k1 iso not begin from iso 50 Last edited by zmohie; 02-12-2016 at 09:27 AM.

02-12-2016, 10:26 AM - 1 Like	#41
Cambo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,016	35.9 x 24.... Originally posted by LFLee 35.9 x 24.0mm not full frame, I'll pass. :P PROOF that Pentax is doomed...DOOMED!!! ...along with Apple... Cheers, Cameron

02-12-2016, 10:36 AM	#44
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by Kunzite Because the very same AF module is the most advanced if put in a 645z, or the most basic if put in a K-3. The expectations for the two different markets differs quite a bit. no, the reason why the 645z get the same AF module as the K-3 is because MF is not targeted at sport and wildlife applications, therefore even if the AF is grouped in the middle of the MF frame , it's not an issue. However, FF is having higher iso perf and still very much used for sports, which is why it makes sense to upgrade the af module on the ff camera. If Pentax uses the K-3 AF module on the FF, it's going to be a big minus for the camera, but I think there is a very high chance that Ricoh redesigned the AF module for the FF , with potentially reusing this more advanced AF into a future APSC camera, like Canon and Nikon are doing: you just get a larger frame coverage on APSC. I'm pretty sure that the ff camera will be good to cover most people actual needs (K-3 is already such as camera), but once again, people (and also Ricoh) focus more on camera only then on lenses. That's not how to evaluate the capabilities of a camera + lenses system. Right away, if it has a full frame sensor inside, you'll immediately get less noise and more overall resolution versus APSC (I remember the times of the so good DA limited primes APSC of Pentax... that are actually wiped out by any full frame system even with an average lens on it...). Last edited by biz-engineer; 02-12-2016 at 10:49 AM.

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02-12-2016, 09:02 AM	#31
asahi man Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 324	Originally posted by ogl There are such cameras. D810's ISO100 is real ISO75 ISO64 is real ISO47 K-5IIs has ISO80 = real ISO70 Phase One P40 Plus ISO100 = real ISO46 Phase One IQ180 Digital Back ISO200 = real ISO60 ISO100 = real ISO29 Phase One P65Plus ISO100 = real ISO44 Again,NOT ONE FULLFRAME Camera is using 50 iso as the true lowest iso. The real ground iso is not 50. PhaseOne is not fullframe/35mm Sensorsize.

02-12-2016, 09:04 AM	#32
vcollerp Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Vereeniging South Africa Posts: 208	Originally posted by D1N0 new battery with the same or lower capacity is also an option Sorry, same as the K3.

02-12-2016, 09:16 AM	#33
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by vcollerp Short answer Yes. Confirmed.

02-12-2016, 09:16 AM	#34
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by vcollerp Sorry, same as the K3. would be good. Can use my K-5 batteries for the K-1

02-12-2016, 09:32 AM	#36
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by asahi man Again,NOT ONE FULLFRAME Camera is using 50 iso as the true lowest iso. The real ground iso is not 50. PhaseOne is not fullframe/35mm Sensorsize. You don't understand my post. I can repeat Nikon D810 has marked ISO100 and ISO64. And even ISO32. But ISO32 is already not real - "software ISO". ISO64 is "hardware ISO". IT'S TRUE ISO. D810 with ISO64 allow to make photo with exposure as real ISO47. DR is 14.76EV. Don't forget that cameras have the highest DR at real low ISO. My K-5IIs at ISO80 is 1 STOP better than at ISO200. Low ISO means highest DR, lowest noise and highest resolution. ISO50 is just symbolic ISO in our discussion. Will K-1 have ISO lower than 100 or not? 80, 64 or 50...Don't care which one.

02-12-2016, 09:35 AM - 1 Like	#37
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	35.9 x 24.0mm not full frame, I'll pass. :P

02-12-2016, 09:38 AM	#38
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by LFLee 35.9 x 24.0mm not full frame, I'll pass. :P D810 is the same...

02-12-2016, 09:41 AM	#39
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	In the film age prints were always cropped a little

02-12-2016, 10:03 AM	#40
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by LFLee 35.9 x 24.0mm not full frame, I'll pass. :P We'll have to shop for an additional 0.1 mm !!

02-12-2016, 10:28 AM	#42
Bophoto Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 429	36Mp means 15Mp in APS mode. That is OK.

02-12-2016, 10:32 AM	#43
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	I imagine we will know all in less than 2 weeks.

02-12-2016, 10:44 AM	#45
i5_david Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 332	Originally posted by Bophoto 36Mp means 15Mp in APS mode. That is OK. Isnt that calculation not the same as the crop factor? So would APSC crop not be around 24 MPx? (24 x 1,5 = 36) How did you calculate 15 Mpx in APS-c Mode?