K-1 Specs

jaad75 · 02-14-2016, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

And Canon said it officially, their 5DS is not made for high iso, it is made for resolution. Choose what matter most to you.

I have linked a comparison at ISO100. That's a difference with noise level in the shadows, which defines the dynamic range. In that case (all images downscaled) it is similar to DxO's "Print" tab comparison.

**Rondec** · 02-14-2016, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

And Canon said it officially, their 5DS is not made for high iso, it is made for resolution. Choose what matter most to you.

But landscape photographers want resolution and more dynamic range. The 5Ds unfortunately only gets one of those things.

More dynamic range at low ISO is not a negative in any respect-- if you want to keep your shadows dark, you still can, but it allows you to push an image farther in post without it looking pushed.

OoKU · 02-14-2016, 06:32 AM - **1 Like**

rawr · 02-14-2016, 06:35 AM - **1 Like**

That flippy screen is wild.
I can't understand why it needs to do all that.

jaad75 · 02-14-2016, 06:36 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Mistral75

Judging by the spacing of the two brackets inscribed on the focusing screen of K-1, as seen by reflection on the mirror and which most likely correspond to the outer AF points (as with other Pentax cameras),

I think/hope those brackets correspond to those 3 points columns. Hopefully those outer single points are a little further.

---------- Post added 02-14-2016 at 08:39 AM ----------

Originally posted by rawr

I can't understand why it needs to do all that.

I see no use as well. Maybe there is something I can't imagine just yet.

biz-engineer · 02-14-2016, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

The two extra columns would be enabled on K-1, each for three AF points, thus giving a total of 27 + 3 + 3 = 33 AF points as observed.

Yep, that's it. The K-3 AF array was planned with 3 additional points on the sides. It could well be that those points have been enabled on the K-1. So, would be the same AF module.

**TwoUptons** · 02-14-2016, 06:48 AM

Has anyone heard of any new scheme the K1 might use for shooting at lower resolution than its native value?

I was just thinking that since it already can effectively de-Bayer itself with pixel-shift, will it be able to take advantage of any of that at lower resolutions?

If you shot at 9Mp, for example, could the camera combine the color data from the 36 available Mp?

-Eric

**ffking** · 02-14-2016, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by rawr

That flippy screen is wild.
I can't understand why it needs to do all that.

I can only think that it's to do with removing glare by small tilts in any direction, but that would be quite a drastic solution in terms of cost/ engineering - of course we don't actually know the full extent of its movement yet. Also appears to come a hell of a long way out! I can see that having useful macro applications IF it was a touch screen and allowed extensive functions via screen

Interesting image, incidentally - obviously shot for the teaser campaign but not (yet?) used

biz-engineer · 02-14-2016, 07:01 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Enrique S Toso

This is the best picture of a burst of 12. She was DANCING alone of happiness, under my softbox, my partner was away, and I have the 70-200 with me...and I fail. AF.C would do the trick IMHO.

Well, the K-3 has a bug in the AFC settings. If you select Focus priority for the first frame, the camera disregard this setting an take photos even if slightly out of focus or even completely out of focus. Furthermore, when the K-3 starts firing out of focus, the AF servo is unable to actual the lens AF to bring subsequent shots in focus. So the AFC works only is you pre-focus with the AF button and then release the AF button and start firing with the shutter button. AFA tends to work better to bring the first frame in focus.

indy · 02-14-2016, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

If we could have iso 0.1 that might remove entirely the need for ND filters. ND filters are anoying to use, costly and reduce quality. Once that technology that count how many time the photosite was full work, there no reason for this to not work.

That would also allow to shot HDR picture in a single frame with any drawback. No need to stack pictures. Meaning you could get.17-20EV of dynamic range depending of available light in 1 shot.

The Ricoh GR has a built in ND filter. I have not taken the time to figure out how they implemented this. If incorporated in the body, and not the lens, it would be an interesting feature to implement in the K1.

beholder3 · 02-14-2016, 07:21 AM - **1 Like**

What do we get in current $600-800 Pentaxes with regards to AF coverage?
How does that compare to the $6000 and $2800 offerings from Canikon?
What will we get für $2000 then?

That is what is out there:

D5 vs. K-3:

1DX vs. K-3:

D800 vs K-3:

Activate the AF sensor lines between the central 5x5 block and the outer ones and you end up with pretty much the same coverage as a D800 - if they manage to scale up the whole coverage from APSC to FF using different AF optics.
And in no meaningful way any significant less than 1DX and D5.

**sbh** · 02-14-2016, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Hehe..thank you! Just so frustrating, when we're close to finally bring home the biggest thing in Pentax history for ages, and still its not enough for some people.

Well, that's the nature of the beast.

These are two different things and unfortunately even Pentax can't please everyone. No matter what they'll bring to the table. I'm sure it will be an excellent camera and concept.

Will it suit me for my studio work? I don't know yet. In forums there are lots of wild thoughts and guesses for fun and excitement. Shouldn't be taken too serious all the time...

Nicolas06 · 02-14-2016, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

But landscape photographers want resolution and more dynamic range. The 5Ds unfortunately only gets one of those things.

Say that to biz-engineer for the dynamic range...

biz-engineer · 02-14-2016, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

Activate the AF sensor lines between the central 5x5 block and the outer ones and you end up with pretty much the same coverage as a D800 - if they manage to scale up the whole coverage from APSC to FF using different AF optics. And in no meaningful way any significant less than 1DX and D5.

You stretched the K-3 AF points to match the 1Dx and D5 matrix, in that case, of course, the K-3 AF has the same frame coverage as any camera ! Did you try to layout the K30 AF module (with a bit of mouse stretch) on top of the D5, I sure both AF modules could match.

beholder3 · 02-14-2016, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

You stretched the K-3 AF points to match the 1Dx and D5 matrix, in that case, of course, the K-3 AF has the same frame coverage as any camera !

I did not "stretch" anything. The pictures are just overlaid each within the same picture frame. The AF coverage relative to the picture frame is as it is.
Maybe you need to stretch your mind to understand what you see?

02-14-2016, 06:36 AM - 2 Likes	#260
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by Mistral75 Judging by the spacing of the two brackets inscribed on the focusing screen of K-1, as seen by reflection on the mirror and which most likely correspond to the outer AF points (as with other Pentax cameras), I think/hope those brackets correspond to those 3 points columns. Hopefully those outer single points are a little further. ---------- Post added 02-14-2016 at 08:39 AM ---------- Originally posted by rawr I can't understand why it needs to do all that. I see no use as well. Maybe there is something I can't imagine just yet. Last edited by jaad75; 02-14-2016 at 06:43 AM.

02-14-2016, 06:49 AM	#263
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by rawr That flippy screen is wild. I can't understand why it needs to do all that. I can only think that it's to do with removing glare by small tilts in any direction, but that would be quite a drastic solution in terms of cost/ engineering - of course we don't actually know the full extent of its movement yet. Also appears to come a hell of a long way out! I can see that having useful macro applications IF it was a touch screen and allowed extensive functions via screen Interesting image, incidentally - obviously shot for the teaser campaign but not (yet?) used Last edited by ffking; 02-14-2016 at 07:00 AM.

02-14-2016, 07:01 AM - 1 Like	#264
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by Enrique S Toso This is the best picture of a burst of 12. She was DANCING alone of happiness, under my softbox, my partner was away, and I have the 70-200 with me...and I fail. AF.C would do the trick IMHO. Well, the K-3 has a bug in the AFC settings. If you select Focus priority for the first frame, the camera disregard this setting an take photos even if slightly out of focus or even completely out of focus. Furthermore, when the K-3 starts firing out of focus, the AF servo is unable to actual the lens AF to bring subsequent shots in focus. So the AFC works only is you pre-focus with the AF button and then release the AF button and start firing with the shutter button. AFA tends to work better to bring the first frame in focus. Last edited by biz-engineer; 02-14-2016 at 07:20 AM.

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02-14-2016, 06:28 AM	#256
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by Nicolas06 And Canon said it officially, their 5DS is not made for high iso, it is made for resolution. Choose what matter most to you. I have linked a comparison at ISO100. That's a difference with noise level in the shadows, which defines the dynamic range. In that case (all images downscaled) it is similar to DxO's "Print" tab comparison.

02-14-2016, 06:30 AM	#257
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by Nicolas06 And Canon said it officially, their 5DS is not made for high iso, it is made for resolution. Choose what matter most to you. But landscape photographers want resolution and more dynamic range. The 5Ds unfortunately only gets one of those things. More dynamic range at low ISO is not a negative in any respect-- if you want to keep your shadows dark, you still can, but it allows you to push an image farther in post without it looking pushed.

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02-14-2016, 06:35 AM - 1 Like	#259
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	That flippy screen is wild. I can't understand why it needs to do all that.

02-14-2016, 06:46 AM	#261
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by Mistral75 The two extra columns would be enabled on K-1, each for three AF points, thus giving a total of 27 + 3 + 3 = 33 AF points as observed. Yep, that's it. The K-3 AF array was planned with 3 additional points on the sides. It could well be that those points have been enabled on the K-1. So, would be the same AF module.

02-14-2016, 06:48 AM	#262
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,211	Has anyone heard of any new scheme the K1 might use for shooting at lower resolution than its native value? I was just thinking that since it already can effectively de-Bayer itself with pixel-shift, will it be able to take advantage of any of that at lower resolutions? If you shot at 9Mp, for example, could the camera combine the color data from the 36 available Mp? -Eric

02-14-2016, 07:12 AM	#265
indy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana Photos: Gallery Posts: 274	Originally posted by Nicolas06 If we could have iso 0.1 that might remove entirely the need for ND filters. ND filters are anoying to use, costly and reduce quality. Once that technology that count how many time the photosite was full work, there no reason for this to not work. That would also allow to shot HDR picture in a single frame with any drawback. No need to stack pictures. Meaning you could get.17-20EV of dynamic range depending of available light in 1 shot. The Ricoh GR has a built in ND filter. I have not taken the time to figure out how they implemented this. If incorporated in the body, and not the lens, it would be an interesting feature to implement in the K1.

02-14-2016, 07:21 AM - 1 Like	#266
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	What do we get in current $600-800 Pentaxes with regards to AF coverage? How does that compare to the $6000 and $2800 offerings from Canikon? What will we get für $2000 then? That is what is out there: D5 vs. K-3: 1DX vs. K-3: D800 vs K-3: Activate the AF sensor lines between the central 5x5 block and the outer ones and you end up with pretty much the same coverage as a D800 - if they manage to scale up the whole coverage from APSC to FF using different AF optics. And in no meaningful way any significant less than 1DX and D5.

02-14-2016, 07:25 AM	#267
sbh Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Black Forest, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 849	Originally posted by kenspo Hehe..thank you! Just so frustrating, when we're close to finally bring home the biggest thing in Pentax history for ages, and still its not enough for some people. Well, that's the nature of the beast. These are two different things and unfortunately even Pentax can't please everyone. No matter what they'll bring to the table. I'm sure it will be an excellent camera and concept. Will it suit me for my studio work? I don't know yet. In forums there are lots of wild thoughts and guesses for fun and excitement. Shouldn't be taken too serious all the time...

02-14-2016, 07:25 AM	#268
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by Rondec But landscape photographers want resolution and more dynamic range. The 5Ds unfortunately only gets one of those things. Say that to biz-engineer for the dynamic range...

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02-14-2016, 07:27 AM	#269
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by beholder3 Activate the AF sensor lines between the central 5x5 block and the outer ones and you end up with pretty much the same coverage as a D800 - if they manage to scale up the whole coverage from APSC to FF using different AF optics. And in no meaningful way any significant less than 1DX and D5. You stretched the K-3 AF points to match the 1Dx and D5 matrix, in that case, of course, the K-3 AF has the same frame coverage as any camera ! Did you try to layout the K30 AF module (with a bit of mouse stretch) on top of the D5, I sure both AF modules could match.

02-14-2016, 07:31 AM	#270
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by biz-engineer You stretched the K-3 AF points to match the 1Dx and D5 matrix, in that case, of course, the K-3 AF has the same frame coverage as any camera ! I did not "stretch" anything. The pictures are just overlaid each within the same picture frame. The AF coverage relative to the picture frame is as it is. Maybe you need to stretch your mind to understand what you see?