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**monochrome** · 02-14-2016, 08:47 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kenspo

I have said all along that the future is bright. They are growing and building the brand stone by stone. This is just the beginning!

Glad you are here to say that. My supposition for years has been Ricoh would take the conservative, long view, patiently growing the brand at a constant rate - they have a Plan

- as they did with office machines.

Unfortunately for the impatient, in the early stages growth isn't really visible in nominal progression. It's in the later stages, due to the law of compounding, that constant growth begets parabolic nominal increase.

BrianL · 02-14-2016, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Yes, thank you. I bet something like that is used in K-1. And imagine what you would get with a medium format camera!

The other patent is also interesting. I wonder if it allows the camera to self adjust lenses, removing the need tuning by the user?
Brian

i5_david · 02-14-2016, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by rawr

That flippy screen is wild.
I can't understand why it needs to do all that.

I can't wait to see reviews showing this flippy LCD thing.
They say its the weak point... anyhow could also be the missing part we all waited for

zapp · 02-14-2016, 09:48 AM

What we still would like to know in more detail.... and will probably know only after the official release:

AF speed with new lenses and tracking speed...
What type of AF engine can we expect in the future? Pentax SDM, Tamron USD, ...
AF tracking with additional metering sensor...
Layout of AF sensors and light sensitivity. 33 points may be a lot in combination with some points in between or tracking via metering sensor.
SR performance - Pentax claims a much improved SR mechanism.
Any feature that makes the new Pentax stand puot against other brands.

One3rdEV · 02-14-2016, 09:53 AM

Whoever 'they' are. From a mechanical engineer's perspective the articulating screen presents both potential benefits and challenges. The resulting facts depend on many factors regarding application, design, and implementation. The resulting facts will speak for themselves soon enough. I'm standing on the side of placing some trust in Pentax-Ricoh that they have sorted things out well enough to go this route

i5_david · 02-14-2016, 10:21 AM

Whoever they are of course

trolls and bashers?!

I am also on Ricohs side and think they have thought this through and as it was stated earlier: They have a plan. Three days to go. Oh boy...

**darylk** · 02-14-2016, 10:26 AM - **3 Likes**

Contrary to many commenters, the articulated screen design appears very sturdy/robust to me. I too am an engineer. My main concern with its design is grit and sand getting into what I'm calling the "ball and socket channels" potentially grinding things to a halt. At least it will be wr body allowing for a rinse if needed.

TaoMaas · 02-14-2016, 10:27 AM

Has there been any indication that the K-1 will have the pixel-shift feature?

bertwert · 02-14-2016, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

Has there been any indication that the K-1 will have the pixel-shift feature?

Yes it will.

virusn3t · 02-14-2016, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

Has there been any indication that the K-1 will have the pixel-shift feature?

Officialy? No, but as the K3v2 have that feature, everyone think (myself included) that the K1 being a flagship camera this feature must be a standar spec.

TaoMaas · 02-14-2016, 10:39 AM

I hope you guys are right. I think it's a marketable difference for Pentax.

wisent · 02-14-2016, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

I am quoting here this very interesting message from DragonLord, which recently drew my attention and which is perfectly relevant re. K-1's autofocus:

The two extra columns would be enabled on K-1, each for three AF points, thus giving a total of 27 + 3 + 3 = 33 AF points as observed.

Judging by the spacing of the two brackets inscribed on the focusing screen of K-1, as seen by reflection on the mirror and which most likely correspond to the outer AF points (as with other Pentax cameras), it seems that Ricoh Imaging has found a way to enlarge the AF points coverage compared to what the K-3 II module would spontaneously produce on K-1. IIRC Ricoh had filed a patent on this.

Could be. But why are there only 3 extra points for each of the extra columns? Does that mean, the extra points will have a sensitivity of 2.8? Because otherwise there surely could have been 5+5 = 10 extra points?

Nicolas06 · 02-14-2016, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by wisent

Could be. But why are there only 3 extra points for each of the extra columns? Does that mean, the extra points will have a sensitivity of 2.8? Because otherwise there surely could have been 5+5 = 10 extra points?

And why there were only 2 big excentred points, more like 2 excentred line in fact ,on K3 or K5? Why also not having say, 20 points per lines and 30 lines.

With this kind of question, we never end !

apete · 02-14-2016, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by i5_david

I can't wait to see reviews showing this flippy LCD thing.
They say its the weak point...

Who says that?

Kunzite · 02-14-2016, 11:49 AM - **4 Likes**

People who never handled the camera, never saw anything but some pictures of the mechanism.

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02-14-2016, 08:47 AM - 1 Like	#286
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by kenspo I have said all along that the future is bright. They are growing and building the brand stone by stone. This is just the beginning! Glad you are here to say that. My supposition for years has been Ricoh would take the conservative, long view, patiently growing the brand at a constant rate - they have a *Plan* - as they did with office machines. Unfortunately for the impatient, in the early stages growth isn't really visible in nominal progression. It's in the later stages, due to the law of compounding, that constant growth begets parabolic nominal increase.

02-14-2016, 09:14 AM	#287
BrianL Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 38	Originally posted by Mistral75 Yes, thank you. I bet something like that is used in K-1. And imagine what you would get with a medium format camera! The other patent is also interesting. I wonder if it allows the camera to self adjust lenses, removing the need tuning by the user? Brian

02-14-2016, 09:17 AM	#288
i5_david Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 332	Originally posted by rawr That flippy screen is wild. I can't understand why it needs to do all that. I can't wait to see reviews showing this flippy LCD thing. They say its the weak point... anyhow could also be the missing part we all waited for

02-14-2016, 09:48 AM	#289
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,389	What we still would like to know in more detail.... and will probably know only after the official release: AF speed with new lenses and tracking speed... What type of AF engine can we expect in the future? Pentax SDM, Tamron USD, ... AF tracking with additional metering sensor... Layout of AF sensors and light sensitivity. 33 points may be a lot in combination with some points in between or tracking via metering sensor. SR performance - Pentax claims a much improved SR mechanism. Any feature that makes the new Pentax stand puot against other brands.

02-14-2016, 09:53 AM	#290
One3rdEV Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: So-central, MI Posts: 285	Whoever 'they' are. From a mechanical engineer's perspective the articulating screen presents both potential benefits and challenges. The resulting facts depend on many factors regarding application, design, and implementation. The resulting facts will speak for themselves soon enough. I'm standing on the side of placing some trust in Pentax-Ricoh that they have sorted things out well enough to go this route

02-14-2016, 10:21 AM	#291
i5_david Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 332	Whoever they are of course trolls and bashers?! I am also on Ricohs side and think they have thought this through and as it was stated earlier: They have a plan. Three days to go. Oh boy...

02-14-2016, 10:26 AM - 3 Likes	#292
darylk Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Blue Hill, Nebraska Photos: Gallery Posts: 494	Contrary to many commenters, the articulated screen design appears very sturdy/robust to me. I too am an engineer. My main concern with its design is grit and sand getting into what I'm calling the "ball and socket channels" potentially grinding things to a halt. At least it will be wr body allowing for a rinse if needed.

02-14-2016, 10:27 AM	#293
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Has there been any indication that the K-1 will have the pixel-shift feature?

02-14-2016, 10:28 AM	#294
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	Originally posted by TaoMaas Has there been any indication that the K-1 will have the pixel-shift feature? Yes it will.

02-14-2016, 10:31 AM	#295
virusn3t Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 676	Originally posted by TaoMaas Has there been any indication that the K-1 will have the pixel-shift feature? Officialy? No, but as the K3v2 have that feature, everyone think (myself included) that the K1 being a flagship camera this feature must be a standar spec.

02-14-2016, 10:39 AM	#296
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	I hope you guys are right. I think it's a marketable difference for Pentax.

02-14-2016, 11:00 AM	#297
wisent Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 62	Originally posted by Mistral75 I am quoting here this very interesting message from DragonLord, which recently drew my attention and which is perfectly relevant re. K-1's autofocus: The two extra columns would be enabled on K-1, each for three AF points, thus giving a total of 27 + 3 + 3 = 33 AF points as observed. Judging by the spacing of the two brackets inscribed on the focusing screen of K-1, as seen by reflection on the mirror and which most likely correspond to the outer AF points (as with other Pentax cameras), it seems that Ricoh Imaging has found a way to enlarge the AF points coverage compared to what the K-3 II module would spontaneously produce on K-1. IIRC Ricoh had filed a patent on this. Could be. But why are there only 3 extra points for each of the extra columns? Does that mean, the extra points will have a sensitivity of 2.8? Because otherwise there surely could have been 5+5 = 10 extra points?

02-14-2016, 11:11 AM	#298
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by wisent Could be. But why are there only 3 extra points for each of the extra columns? Does that mean, the extra points will have a sensitivity of 2.8? Because otherwise there surely could have been 5+5 = 10 extra points? And why there were only 2 big excentred points, more like 2 excentred line in fact ,on K3 or K5? Why also not having say, 20 points per lines and 30 lines. With this kind of question, we never end !

02-14-2016, 11:48 AM	#299
apete Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 249	Originally posted by i5_david I can't wait to see reviews showing this flippy LCD thing. They say its the weak point... Who says that?

02-14-2016, 11:49 AM - 4 Likes	#300
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	People who never handled the camera, never saw anything but some pictures of the mechanism.

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