K-1 Specs

cali92rs · 02-14-2016, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by apete

Who says that?

People that haven't had one...yet other brand's cameras have had one for many years and they have proven quite robust.

apete · 02-14-2016, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

People who never handled the camera, never saw anything but some pictures of the mechanism.

That's the point!

rawr · 02-14-2016, 11:55 AM

All this discussion of points and columns, based on the K-3 AF chip ...

I really doubt the K-1 chip will bear any relationship to the K-3 AF chip. The scale of change in the K-1 will probably be like the AF upgrade from the K-5II to the K-3. Significant, not incremental.

Ricoh knows that superb AF performance needs to be priority #1 for a pro-grade FF body. So while the K-3 AF system is very good, I don't think they will be merely tweaking it for re-use in the K-1.

rangercarp · 02-14-2016, 11:59 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

People who never handled the camera, never saw anything but some pictures of the mechanism.

All this dubious supposition based on supposed facts gets old. Even more so when different posters are arguing different sets of "facts" and in a few days we will most likely discover both sides are wrong. Still, they will find a way to tell us they were right all along. I think is is time to start using that Boriscleto function!

Last edited by rangercarp; 02-14-2016 at 05:27 PM. Reason: typo

**monochrome** · 02-14-2016, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by rawr

All this discussion of points and columns, based on the K-3 AF chip ...

I really doubt the K-1 chip will bear any relationship to the K-3 AF chip. The scale of change in the K-1 will probably be like the AF upgrade from the K-5II to the K-3. Significant, not incremental.

Ricoh knows that superb AF performance needs to be priority #1 for a pro-grade FF body. So while the K-3 AF system is very good, I don't think they will be merely tweaking it for re-use in the K-1.

Do I remember in the run-up to the K-3 release Ricoh said they would have the BEST AF - that AF is their #1 priority? And everyone laughed because the other guys wouldn't sit still, so Ricoh was dreaming?

Or am I dreaming?

cali92rs · 02-14-2016, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Do I remember in the run-up to the K-3 release Ricoh said they would have the BEST AF - that AF is their #1 priority? And everyone laughed because the other guys wouldn't sit still, so Ricoh was dreaming?

Or am I dreaming?

Are you saying that you think the K-1s AF will be on par with the D5 and 1DX Mk 2?

Tuoppi · 02-14-2016, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Do I remember in the run-up to the K-3 release Ricoh said they would have the BEST AF - that AF is their #1 priority? And everyone laughed because the other guys wouldn't sit still, so Ricoh was dreaming?

Or am I dreaming?

Af system is brand new.

Nicolas06 · 02-14-2016, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by rawr

All this discussion of points and columns, based on the K-3 AF chip ...

I really doubt the K-1 chip will bear any relationship to the K-3 AF chip. The scale of change in the K-1 will probably be like the AF upgrade from the K-5II to the K-3. Significant, not incremental.

Ricoh knows that superb AF performance needs to be priority #1 for a pro-grade FF body. So while the K-3 AF system is very good, I don't think they will be merely tweaking it for re-use in the K-1.

K3 AF is precise and fast, work well in low light, with fast lenses and alike. What miss the most if the software to use it. You need to recognize subject (so that image analysis on the metering sensor), able to follow them and predict where they will be at time the picture will be taken.

While the K5 AF sensor and metering made tracking and predictive AF impossible, I think that what the K3 has would allow it to go on par with the best on Canon/Nikon. But software can be more costly to make than hardware...

Apparently, they reused the K3 AF module, allowing them to share part, enabled some sensor they were not using before on it. Make lot of sense.

I really hope they concentrated on software because this is what they miss, really. Once they have great software they could increase a bit more efficiancy with better sensor but without that software, this is wasted.

Don't dismiss software because it is not hardware, 1/3 of the cost of a modern plane is the software running it.

rawr · 02-14-2016, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Tuoppi

Af system is brand new.

Sounds like you know something ahead of the rest of us ...

**monochrome** · 02-14-2016, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

Are you saying that you think the K-1s AF will be on par with the D5 and 1DX Mk 2?

No, I have no basis for saying it will be - or won't be. I'm asking whether my memory serves me well, in response to rawr's post, that Pentax has declared they place the highest importance on AF.

Nicolas06 · 02-14-2016, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

No, I have no basis for saying it will be - or won't be. I'm asking whether my memory serves me well, in response to rawr's post, that Pentax has declared they place the highest importance on AF.

i remember kenspo saying that at least. And seriously that likely the area that would benefit them the most... Pentax need to get rid of this bad AF reputation if they want to grow.

I'am pretty sure the K1 has significantly better AF, mostly it should have improved tracking and added a predictive AF algorithm. I do not expect it to be better than Nikon offering, but I think it might be good enoug for most... And if they continue their effort, in 2-3 year for the next flagship release, their AF could very well be as good or better than the competition.

**monochrome** · 02-14-2016, 12:34 PM

^^ I probably recall kenspo posting that. Therefore not an 'official' statement, but indicative nonetheless.

rawr · 02-14-2016, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

Apparently, they reused the K3 AF module

We don't know that.

I personally doubt that we will see a lot of K-3 AF parts re-use in the K-1. At the core of the K-3 AF module is a 2012/2013 chip, and two years is a long time in camera hardware (and camera software). Meanwhile, Canon/Nikon/Sony have been moving along, improving their AF every year.

thibs · 02-14-2016, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Do I remember in the run-up to the K-3 release Ricoh said they would have the BEST AF - that AF is their #1 priority? And everyone laughed because the other guys wouldn't sit still, so Ricoh was dreaming?

Or am I dreaming?

No, you're not dreaming.

wisent · 02-14-2016, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

And why there were only 2 big excentred points, more like 2 excentred line in fact ,on K3 or K5? Why also not having say, 20 points per lines and 30 lines.

With this kind of question, we never end !

You clearly didn't get my point, but felt the need to get offensive instead.
But you know what: I don't care. I'm here for fun and not to argue all day long. And we all be smarter regarding the AF of the K-1 in just a few days anyway.

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02-14-2016, 11:52 AM	#301
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by apete Who says that? People that haven't had one...yet other brand's cameras have had one for many years and they have proven quite robust.

02-14-2016, 11:53 AM	#302
apete Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 249	Originally posted by Kunzite People who never handled the camera, never saw anything but some pictures of the mechanism. That's the point!

02-14-2016, 11:55 AM	#303
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	All this discussion of points and columns, based on the K-3 AF chip ... I really doubt the K-1 chip will bear any relationship to the K-3 AF chip. The scale of change in the K-1 will probably be like the AF upgrade from the K-5II to the K-3. Significant, not incremental. Ricoh knows that superb AF performance needs to be priority #1 for a pro-grade FF body. So while the K-3 AF system is very good, I don't think they will be merely tweaking it for re-use in the K-1.

02-14-2016, 11:59 AM - 1 Like	#304
rangercarp Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Southern Michigan Posts: 437	Originally posted by Kunzite People who never handled the camera, never saw anything but some pictures of the mechanism. All this dubious supposition based on supposed facts gets old. Even more so when different posters are arguing different sets of "facts" and in a few days we will most likely discover both sides are wrong. Still, they will find a way to tell us they were right all along. I think is is time to start using that Boriscleto function! Last edited by rangercarp; 02-14-2016 at 05:27 PM. Reason: typo

02-14-2016, 12:04 PM	#305
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by rawr All this discussion of points and columns, based on the K-3 AF chip ... I really doubt the K-1 chip will bear any relationship to the K-3 AF chip. The scale of change in the K-1 will probably be like the AF upgrade from the K-5II to the K-3. Significant, not incremental. Ricoh knows that superb AF performance needs to be priority #1 for a pro-grade FF body. So while the K-3 AF system is very good, I don't think they will be merely tweaking it for re-use in the K-1. Do I remember in the run-up to the K-3 release Ricoh said they would have the BEST AF - that AF is their #1 priority? And everyone laughed because the other guys wouldn't sit still, so Ricoh was dreaming? Or am I dreaming?

02-14-2016, 12:09 PM	#306
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by monochrome Do I remember in the run-up to the K-3 release Ricoh said they would have the BEST AF - that AF is their #1 priority? And everyone laughed because the other guys wouldn't sit still, so Ricoh was dreaming? Or am I dreaming? Are you saying that you think the K-1s AF will be on par with the D5 and 1DX Mk 2?

02-14-2016, 12:10 PM	#307
Tuoppi New Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Photos: Albums Posts: 10	Originally posted by monochrome Do I remember in the run-up to the K-3 release Ricoh said they would have the BEST AF - that AF is their #1 priority? And everyone laughed because the other guys wouldn't sit still, so Ricoh was dreaming? Or am I dreaming? Af system is brand new.

02-14-2016, 12:11 PM	#308
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by rawr All this discussion of points and columns, based on the K-3 AF chip ... I really doubt the K-1 chip will bear any relationship to the K-3 AF chip. The scale of change in the K-1 will probably be like the AF upgrade from the K-5II to the K-3. Significant, not incremental. Ricoh knows that superb AF performance needs to be priority #1 for a pro-grade FF body. So while the K-3 AF system is very good, I don't think they will be merely tweaking it for re-use in the K-1. K3 AF is precise and fast, work well in low light, with fast lenses and alike. What miss the most if the software to use it. You need to recognize subject (so that image analysis on the metering sensor), able to follow them and predict where they will be at time the picture will be taken. While the K5 AF sensor and metering made tracking and predictive AF impossible, I think that what the K3 has would allow it to go on par with the best on Canon/Nikon. But software can be more costly to make than hardware... Apparently, they reused the K3 AF module, allowing them to share part, enabled some sensor they were not using before on it. Make lot of sense. I really hope they concentrated on software because this is what they miss, really. Once they have great software they could increase a bit more efficiancy with better sensor but without that software, this is wasted. Don't dismiss software because it is not hardware, 1/3 of the cost of a modern plane is the software running it.

02-14-2016, 12:19 PM	#309
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Tuoppi Af system is brand new. Sounds like you know something ahead of the rest of us ...

02-14-2016, 12:21 PM	#310
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by cali92rs Are you saying that you think the K-1s AF will be on par with the D5 and 1DX Mk 2? No, I have no basis for saying it will be - or won't be. I'm asking whether my memory serves me well, in response to rawr's post, that Pentax has declared they place the highest importance on AF.

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02-14-2016, 12:24 PM	#311
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by monochrome No, I have no basis for saying it will be - or won't be. I'm asking whether my memory serves me well, in response to rawr's post, that Pentax has declared they place the highest importance on AF. i remember kenspo saying that at least. And seriously that likely the area that would benefit them the most... Pentax need to get rid of this bad AF reputation if they want to grow. I'am pretty sure the K1 has significantly better AF, mostly it should have improved tracking and added a predictive AF algorithm. I do not expect it to be better than Nikon offering, but I think it might be good enoug for most... And if they continue their effort, in 2-3 year for the next flagship release, their AF could very well be as good or better than the competition.

02-14-2016, 12:34 PM	#312
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	^^ I probably recall kenspo posting that. Therefore not an 'official' statement, but indicative nonetheless.

02-14-2016, 12:39 PM	#313
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Nicolas06 Apparently, they reused the K3 AF module We don't know that. I personally doubt that we will see a lot of K-3 AF parts re-use in the K-1. At the core of the K-3 AF module is a 2012/2013 chip, and two years is a long time in camera hardware (and camera software). Meanwhile, Canon/Nikon/Sony have been moving along, improving their AF every year.

02-14-2016, 12:51 PM	#314
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by monochrome Do I remember in the run-up to the K-3 release Ricoh said they would have the BEST AF - that AF is their #1 priority? And everyone laughed because the other guys wouldn't sit still, so Ricoh was dreaming? Or am I dreaming? No, you're not dreaming.

02-14-2016, 12:54 PM	#315
wisent Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 62	Originally posted by Nicolas06 And why there were only 2 big excentred points, more like 2 excentred line in fact ,on K3 or K5? Why also not having say, 20 points per lines and 30 lines. With this kind of question, we never end ! You clearly didn't get my point, but felt the need to get offensive instead. But you know what: I don't care. I'm here for fun and not to argue all day long. And we all be smarter regarding the AF of the K-1 in just a few days anyway.