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biz-engineer · 02-13-2016, 04:24 AM

Hi , anyone going to fly to Yokohama next week to pick up a K-1 ?

JPT · 02-13-2016, 07:34 AM

Well, I'm planning to be at CP+ on the Saturday, but I don't think for a second that they'll be selling K-1s there.

Is anyone else planning to go?

Mistral75 · 02-13-2016, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by JPT

Well, I'm planning to be at CP+ on the Saturday, but I don't think for a second that they'll be selling K-1s there.

(...)

Who said you had to pay anything before picking one up?

DoubtingThomas · 02-14-2016, 09:28 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Mistral75

Who said you had to pay anything before picking one up?

I've started swimming right now....

zapp · 02-14-2016, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by JPT

Well, I'm planning to be at CP+ on the Saturday, but I don't think for a second that they'll be selling K-1s there.

Is anyone else planning to go?

K1s is due to come out in two years

Winder · 02-14-2016, 10:04 AM - **1 Like**

The K-1 has been a rumor for so long its already old news. When is the replacement expected to be released?

Simen1 · 02-14-2016, 02:02 PM

My guess:
2016: K-1 high end FF
2017: A budget FF model. No tiltable screen, no GPS, smaller VF, smaller and lighter, still WR and Wifi, along with compact primes, limiteds?
2018: A FF sports model. Faster and better AF, faster fps, less Mp, along with long primes and a heavy duty dual battery grip.
2019: K-1 are replaced. More Mp, more lenses.

biz-engineer · 02-14-2016, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Simen1

My guess: 2016: K-1 high end FF 2017: A budget FF model. No tiltable screen, no GPS, smaller VF, smaller and lighter, still WR and Wifi, along with compact primes, limiteds? 2018: A FF sports model. Faster and better AF, faster fps, less Mp, along with long primes and a heavy duty dual battery grip. 2019: K-1 are replaced. More Mp, more lenses.

That's a possibility, although the price of FF is usually higher than APSC and the product life cycles of FF cameras are longer than APSC camera. So, I'd see this product road map more like 2016 , 2018, 2020 , and new APSC cameras in between. If Ricoh were going to release a new FF model every year, that would probably mean discontinuing the APSC product line that would be replaced by low-end FF cameras. I guess this scenario is possible as it would assure nice revenues for Ricoh imaging for at least the 5 years to come, especially because until recently, most new lenses were APSC dedicated. But that would not be very nice for people who would like to sell off their APSC lenses to buy something new.

reh321 · 02-14-2016, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

That's a possibility, although the price of FF is usually higher than APSC and the product life cycles of FF cameras are longer than APSC camera. So, I'd see this product road map more like 2016 , 2018, 2020 , and new APSC cameras in between. If Ricoh were going to release a new FF model every year, that would probably mean discontinuing the APSC product line that would be replaced by low-end FF cameras. I guess this scenario is possible as it would assure nice revenues for Ricoh imaging for at least the 5 years to come, especially because until recently, most new lenses were APSC dedicated. But that would not be very nice for people who would like to sell off their APSC lenses to buy something new.

And they could lose a lot of us over time. When I told my wife that speculation about the new camera had an opening price of "only $2000", her response was "ONLY!!" The most expensive camera I've ever purchased was the Canon film camera which cost me $700 back in 1995; I know that price would be higher now, but I'm unlikely to ever buy a $2K, or even a $1K camera (we have a lot of more worthy uses for those dollars); my choices at that point would be to either buy well-used Pentax cameras or go back to Canon again.

**monochrome** · 02-14-2016, 03:40 PM

Don't worry. They're running full APSc, FF and 645 lines. New APSc cameras are in the pipe. My only question is Q.

D1N0 · 02-14-2016, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Don't worry. They're running full APSc, FF and 645 lines. New APSc cameras are in the pipe. My only question is Q.

They are still patenting new lens designs for Q. So it is not dead. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/311793-patent-new-q-lens.html

JPT · 02-14-2016, 08:15 PM

Hmm. From the lack of responses, I guess it's just me going to CP+.

I'll write my impressions in a thread like I did last year. I usually get to talk to some of the Ricoh guys, so I can try to ask a few questions, but what was more interesting last year what just letting them talk about the development of the cameras.

I'll also repeat the thankless process of going round all the 3rd party lens makers and asking them about K-mount. You never know, I might find someone at the Tamron booth who knows what K-mount is this year!

Winder · 02-14-2016, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by JPT

Hmm. From the lack of responses, I guess it's just me going to CP+.

I'll write my impressions in a thread like I did last year. I usually get to talk to some of the Ricoh guys, so I can try to ask a few questions, but what was more interesting last year what just letting them talk about the development of the cameras.

I'll also repeat the thankless process of going round all the 3rd party lens makers and asking them about K-mount. You never know, I might find someone at the Tamron booth who knows what K-mount is this year!

Ask about the Tamron 35mm and 45mm and if they will be available in K-mount. After seeing the D-FA 24-70 is a re-badged Tamron, I'm curious what they are going to do. My guess is we will see more Tamron lenses being re-badged by Ricoh and these two might be the first primes.

mee · 02-14-2016, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Simen1

My guess:
2016: K-1 high end FF
2017: A budget FF model. No tiltable screen, no GPS, smaller VF, smaller and lighter, still WR and Wifi, along with compact primes, limiteds?
2018: A FF sports model. Faster and better AF, faster fps, less Mp, along with long primes and a heavy duty dual battery grip.
2019: K-1 are replaced. More Mp, more lenses.

Does Ricoh or the Pentax brand seem like they are sports-oriented? I don't think we'll ever see a sports oriented body out of them..

I'm guessing we'll see more FF lenses, updated APS-C body (with trickle down from K-1), Updated digital 645 body, updated FF.. in that order.

derekkite · 02-14-2016, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by mee

Does Ricoh or the Pentax brand seem like they are sports-oriented? I don't think we'll ever see a sports oriented body out of them..

I'm guessing we'll see more FF lenses, updated APS-C body (with trickle down from K-1), Updated digital 645 body, updated FF.. in that order.

It is a large market with crossover to outdoor wildlife. I suspect they have plans to enter that market as well. More than likely find an underserved niche and build from there.

02-13-2016, 04:24 AM	#1
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02-13-2016, 07:34 AM	#2
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Well, I'm planning to be at CP+ on the Saturday, but I don't think for a second that they'll be selling K-1s there. Is anyone else planning to go?

02-13-2016, 07:45 AM	#3
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by JPT Well, I'm planning to be at CP+ on the Saturday, but I don't think for a second that they'll be selling K-1s there. (...) Who said you had to pay anything before picking one up?

02-14-2016, 09:28 AM - 2 Likes	#4
DoubtingThomas Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Southern Ontario, Canada Posts: 49	Originally posted by Mistral75 Who said you had to pay anything before picking one up? I've started swimming right now....

02-14-2016, 09:57 AM	#5
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,389	Originally posted by JPT Well, I'm planning to be at CP+ on the Saturday, but I don't think for a second that they'll be selling K-1s there. Is anyone else planning to go? K1s is due to come out in two years

02-14-2016, 10:04 AM - 1 Like	#6
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	The K-1 has been a rumor for so long its already old news. When is the replacement expected to be released?

02-14-2016, 02:02 PM	#7
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	My guess: 2016: K-1 high end FF 2017: A budget FF model. No tiltable screen, no GPS, smaller VF, smaller and lighter, still WR and Wifi, along with compact primes, limiteds? 2018: A FF sports model. Faster and better AF, faster fps, less Mp, along with long primes and a heavy duty dual battery grip. 2019: K-1 are replaced. More Mp, more lenses.

02-14-2016, 03:06 PM	#8
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,249 Original Poster	Originally posted by Simen1 My guess: 2016: K-1 high end FF 2017: A budget FF model. No tiltable screen, no GPS, smaller VF, smaller and lighter, still WR and Wifi, along with compact primes, limiteds? 2018: A FF sports model. Faster and better AF, faster fps, less Mp, along with long primes and a heavy duty dual battery grip. 2019: K-1 are replaced. More Mp, more lenses. That's a possibility, although the price of FF is usually higher than APSC and the product life cycles of FF cameras are longer than APSC camera. So, I'd see this product road map more like 2016 , 2018, 2020 , and new APSC cameras in between. If Ricoh were going to release a new FF model every year, that would probably mean discontinuing the APSC product line that would be replaced by low-end FF cameras. I guess this scenario is possible as it would assure nice revenues for Ricoh imaging for at least the 5 years to come, especially because until recently, most new lenses were APSC dedicated. But that would not be very nice for people who would like to sell off their APSC lenses to buy something new.

02-14-2016, 03:28 PM	#9
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by biz-engineer That's a possibility, although the price of FF is usually higher than APSC and the product life cycles of FF cameras are longer than APSC camera. So, I'd see this product road map more like 2016 , 2018, 2020 , and new APSC cameras in between. If Ricoh were going to release a new FF model every year, that would probably mean discontinuing the APSC product line that would be replaced by low-end FF cameras. I guess this scenario is possible as it would assure nice revenues for Ricoh imaging for at least the 5 years to come, especially because until recently, most new lenses were APSC dedicated. But that would not be very nice for people who would like to sell off their APSC lenses to buy something new. And they could lose a lot of us over time. When I told my wife that speculation about the new camera had an opening price of "only $2000", her response was "ONLY!!" The most expensive camera I've ever purchased was the Canon film camera which cost me $700 back in 1995; I know that price would be higher now, but I'm unlikely to ever buy a $2K, or even a $1K camera (we have a lot of more worthy uses for those dollars); my choices at that point would be to either buy well-used Pentax cameras or go back to Canon again.

02-14-2016, 03:40 PM	#10
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Don't worry. They're running full APSc, FF and 645 lines. New APSc cameras are in the pipe. My only question is Q.

02-14-2016, 03:47 PM	#11
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by monochrome Don't worry. They're running full APSc, FF and 645 lines. New APSc cameras are in the pipe. My only question is Q. They are still patenting new lens designs for Q. So it is not dead. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/311793-patent-new-q-lens.html

02-14-2016, 08:15 PM	#12
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Hmm. From the lack of responses, I guess it's just me going to CP+. I'll write my impressions in a thread like I did last year. I usually get to talk to some of the Ricoh guys, so I can try to ask a few questions, but what was more interesting last year what just letting them talk about the development of the cameras. I'll also repeat the thankless process of going round all the 3rd party lens makers and asking them about K-mount. You never know, I might find someone at the Tamron booth who knows what K-mount is this year!

02-14-2016, 08:26 PM	#13
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by JPT Hmm. From the lack of responses, I guess it's just me going to CP+. I'll write my impressions in a thread like I did last year. I usually get to talk to some of the Ricoh guys, so I can try to ask a few questions, but what was more interesting last year what just letting them talk about the development of the cameras. I'll also repeat the thankless process of going round all the 3rd party lens makers and asking them about K-mount. You never know, I might find someone at the Tamron booth who knows what K-mount is this year! Ask about the Tamron 35mm and 45mm and if they will be available in K-mount. After seeing the D-FA 24-70 is a re-badged Tamron, I'm curious what they are going to do. My guess is we will see more Tamron lenses being re-badged by Ricoh and these two might be the first primes.

02-14-2016, 08:43 PM	#14
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Simen1 My guess: 2016: K-1 high end FF 2017: A budget FF model. No tiltable screen, no GPS, smaller VF, smaller and lighter, still WR and Wifi, along with compact primes, limiteds? 2018: A FF sports model. Faster and better AF, faster fps, less Mp, along with long primes and a heavy duty dual battery grip. 2019: K-1 are replaced. More Mp, more lenses. Does Ricoh or the Pentax brand seem like they are sports-oriented? I don't think we'll ever see a sports oriented body out of them.. I'm guessing we'll see more FF lenses, updated APS-C body (with trickle down from K-1), Updated digital 645 body, updated FF.. in that order.

02-14-2016, 09:46 PM	#15
derekkite Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,782	Originally posted by mee Does Ricoh or the Pentax brand seem like they are sports-oriented? I don't think we'll ever see a sports oriented body out of them.. I'm guessing we'll see more FF lenses, updated APS-C body (with trickle down from K-1), Updated digital 645 body, updated FF.. in that order. It is a large market with crossover to outdoor wildlife. I suspect they have plans to enter that market as well. More than likely find an underserved niche and build from there.