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02-15-2016, 09:31 PM   #181
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QuoteOriginally posted by indy Quote
Possibly the fact that there are much more elegant and intuitive solutions. See the GR implementation as an example.
I don't have a GR.
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Max long expose is 30sec. You can't expose longer than 30 sec.
Well, no it is not. You just use bulb mode and set what time you want.
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That people don't want to have to carry around yet another accessory in the dark?
Ok, that is a valid complaint. But outside of that I guess I'm not missing anything.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Wired Quote
The big thing I would absolutely love is if the camera will allow the hot shoe to be triggered at any shutter speed regardless if it's within the sync speed or not.
Looks like you do not understand how it works. It may be a good idea to read up on this.
Basically allowing this will give you unusable images exposed half way 3/4 way or vignetted due to the shutter. A higher sync speed requires your flash duration to be longer than the sync speed (specialised equipment).
1/180 gives you the liberty to use all the generic strobes out there on the market which is low cost of ownership and is desirable.

No offense meant.
02-15-2016, 09:33 PM   #183
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QuoteOriginally posted by rlatjsrud Quote
I want the exact exposure and I don't rely on guessing exposure at all.
When not wanting to use my cable remote, I've used a free android phone app called 'dslr remote' (uses IR obviously) that allows shutters up to 59:59. (Bulb mode can't be in press and hold mode)... Only caveat is phone is tied up holding the shutter open for the duration of the shot... (Edit: maybe this is not the case in the paid version)

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02-15-2016, 09:34 PM   #184
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QuoteOriginally posted by DeadJohn Quote
Pentax could add 45, 60, 90, 120, 180 second shutter speeds to M mode. The hardware can already keep the shutter open that long so it's probably a simple firmware change.
Longer please! It could easily be a menu setting. Keep it capped at 30 seconds by default, and let foolhardy adventurers venture into stupidly long shutter speeds after signing the proper waiver.

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When not wanting to use my cable remote, I've used a free** android phone app called 'dslr remote' (uses IR obviously) that allows shutters up to 59:59. (Bulb mode can't be in press and hold mode)... Only caveat is phone is tied up holding the shutter open for the duration of the shot...
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(a nice option if you do have one though)

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QuoteOriginally posted by todd Quote
When not wanting to use my cable remote, I've used a free android phone app called 'dslr remote' (uses IR obviously) that allows shutters up to 59:59. (Bulb mode can't be in press and hold mode)... Only caveat is phone is tied up holding the shutter open for the duration of the shot...
While I do think that complaining about programmable shutter speeds is pretty nit picky, I do think it's silly that you have to buy a remote or download a phone app to do something that can and should be implemented via firmware with zero effort on Ricoh's part.
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QuoteOriginally posted by DeadJohn Quote
Pentax could add 45, 60, 90, 120, 180 second shutter speeds to M mode. The hardware can already keep the shutter open that long so it's probably a simple firmware change.
I like my idea better. Cleaner and more functional than adding all of those values.
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Looks like you do not understand how it works. It may be a good idea to read up on this.
Basically allowing this will give you unusable images exposed half way 3/4 way or vignetted due to the shutter. A higher sync speed requires your flash duration to be longer than the sync speed (specialised equipment).
1/180 gives you the liberty to use all the generic strobes out there on the market which is low cost of ownership and is desirable.

No offense meant.
I expect Wired understands it perfectly. At some flash speeds and sync methods you may end up with a perfectly usable result. Leave it to the user to decide and experiment. Heck, this could easily be another menu setting with the default being "flash no fire past 1/180th" to protect us from ourselves, and have an option for it to fire at any speed for us foolhardy folk.

I'd make use of it for an easy way to trigger a second camera when outdoors via a wireless hotshose trigger. (yes there are other options, but having the hotshoe actually function for the camera in my hand takes the least # of cords and extra crapola).
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I like my idea better. Cleaner and more functional than adding all of those values.
you got my idea.

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Based from the specs, Pentax/Ricoh provided us a catch up product in the FF format. Those that have waited can now use their old lenses in their native format. Pretty simple to me.
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You can mentally calculate the exposure*, or of that is too mentally taxing for you to manage: use a handheld exposure meter.




the same way as Pentax does. With Bulb mode.



The problem with that is the sensor is moving when you use the astro tracker.


* if your metered exposure is 1s at f/8 ISO 100, then how much longer would the shutter have to be open if you put a ND10 filter on your lens?
That way is too complicated duh. Why not adding more exposure value like 30 60 120 240?
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Hmm actually why don't we have configurable times for shutter length and self-timer? just an X value that can be adjusted with a wheel?
I've wanted that for the timer for years +1. No reason not to do it.

And the shutter length as well. There are ways of doing this, bulb and a remote as I've noted, but adding an option such as "max shutter length time" and letting it be set in the menu would not be an issue.

Though things like this have to balanced by the time to program it and the added complexity of the menu. For 99.99% of users a shutter length longer than 30 seconds is not anything that is needed.

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That way is too complicated duh.
Honestly it is not complicated. Anyone who can operate a camera off 'auto' mode can do it their head as I'm sure you can.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
I've wanted that for the timer for years +1. No reason not to do it.

And the shutter length as well. There are ways of doing this, bulb and a remote as I've noted, but adding an option such as "max shutter length time" and letting it be set in the menu would not be an issue.

Though things like this have to balanced by the time to program it and the added complexity of the menu. For 99.99% of users a shutter length longer than 30 seconds is not anything that is needed.

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Honestly it is not complicated. Anyone who can operate a camera off 'auto' mode can do it their head as I'm sure you can.
And also, why not more features rather being fine? Embrace technology.
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QuoteOriginally posted by DeadJohn Quote
Pentax could add 45, 60, 90, 120, 180 second shutter speeds to M mode. The hardware can already keep the shutter open that long so it's probably a simple firmware change.
RICOH GR does this already. This is what I suggested the K1 M mode could have....there is also a B and T setting when you get to the end of the 300sec. Max in the M setting.
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That way is too complicated duh
For someone who uses "duh" so much perhaps it is.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
I've wanted that for the timer for years +1. No reason not to do it.

And the shutter length as well. There are ways of doing this, bulb and a remote as I've noted, but adding an option such as "max shutter length time" and letting it be set in the menu would not be an issue.

Though things like this have to balanced by the time to program it and the added complexity of the menu. For 99.99% of users a shutter length longer than 30 seconds is not anything that is needed.
That is the issue.. if they are coding in a value equating to 3 seconds, 30 seconds, or anything in between, then surely they can just leave that variable open to user input between a predefined range (no setting the timer to 0 seconds for instance). It would be added code. But, as long as the code has a means to read user input (and they do through front or rear wheels) then it should theoretically be do able... and not a major issue.

The built in intervalvometer is a fairly good example as it allows one to select time frequency... somewhat different but it does show a menu in the camera interface allowing one to select a numeric value. So it's possible.. it just hasn't been implemented into the self timer menu section or the shutter speed parameter.
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