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02-17-2016, 04:09 PM   #496
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Higher bitrate? Good video quality? That's what matters, to me, more than video AF, in camera aperture during recording, video button, etc. Maybe a clean HDMI external out. Good video and clean out. That's all I need.
Smartphones will have 8k-RAW video and 500fps FHD before Pentax starts implementing FHD 60 and clean output. So keep dreaming

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I think the price reflects the dated specifications. The camera is a good value. Its basically a D800 (minus the better AF) for $1,800. That is a pretty good deal. My question is, why did it take so many years to make a 5 year old camera?
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It's a fair question. I guess they were just waiting for the D800 sensor to find it's way into the bargain bin.

I do wish they had been a little bit more ambitious, particularly with the AF and the viewfinder. I was SO looking forward to wider frame coverage AF, and focus peaking (or similar manual focus aids) via an overlay in the viewfinder.

Oh well. There is clearly value there, so I will probably still buy one.
Its a great value. I don't have an issue with the 36MP sensor, but this camera is pretty much 5 year old stuff. They even went back to USB 2.0 and stuck with SDXC UHS-I when several companies like Fuji have moved to UHS-II. I thought USB 3.0 and UHS-II were a given for a new camera. Those are minor features, but all the more reason for them to use them.

As I have said in previous posts. All the modern sensors are more than capable of professional results. It will be the AF that will make or break this camera if Ricoh is serious about the PRO market as some people have claimed. The D750 is selling for $1,999 so if Ricoh can match that AF performance, they will have a winner at the current price.

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02-17-2016, 04:20 PM   #498
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QuoteOriginally posted by CarlosK3 Quote
Smartphones will have 8k-RAW video and 500fps FHD before Pentax starts implementing FHD 60 and clean output. So keep dreaming

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Inventing the articulating screen And finding the right name for the camera.
Candidate for a smartphone with a cool kiddie name?
02-17-2016, 04:30 PM   #499
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The 300,000-cycle shutter is probably a larger-than-full-frame design (needed for the new five-axis SR system). At an upgraded 1/200s sync speed, I'd want to suspect that this is a professional-grade carbon-fiber shutter assembly of the sort used on flagship C&N cameras.

Edit: From the image posted on this page, it definitely is carbon fiber on two of the shutter curtains (notice the texturing):



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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Its a great value. I don't have an issue with the 36MP sensor, but this camera is pretty much 5 year old stuff. They even went back to USB 3.0 and stuck with SDXC UHS-I when several companies like Fuji have moved to UHS-II. I thought USB 3.0 and UHS-II were a given for a new camera. Those are minor features, but all the more reason for them to use them.

As I have said in previous posts. All the modern sensors are more than capable of professional results. It will be the AF that will make or break this camera if Ricoh is serious about the PRO market as some people have claimed. The D750 is selling for $1,999 so if Ricoh can match that AF performance, they will have a winner at the current price.
You're not getting it. F the 'Pro' market! This is for your typical run of the mill loyal Pentaxian who has been using Apsc cameras for numerous years and stuck with it because they like the brand, the ethos, the lens available now and in the past, the we will AF on a black cat in a coal bunker but not so much predictive tracking, the rock solid build, the peerless ergonomics, the unique to Pentax program modes, the do it our way because you know what? We believe our system works... This is a loyalty payment, a stepping stone up from, and a stepping stone to its big brother the 645.
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That is actually interesting, I must try that when i find a suitable subject. I have no clue what could cause this difference. I assume your total stacked exposure time was the same as the long exposure?
Yes, I made it a point to match the time then push it in both directions. I did not go past 60 seconds or so. 60+ seconds may be where you start to see the advantages of stacking.
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I am naive about this, but how much of a difference would ISO 50 make?
It makes a big difference when you take flash sync into account.
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UHS-I at SDR104 is now supported. This is an upgrade from the K-3 II, which was only capable of SDR50 mode. This should mean that data transfer rates are now doubled, much needed given the dramatically increased output file sizes.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
. The D750 is selling for $1,999
???

'Jaw dropping' comment from you, Winder. 😉

The D750 costs more and is only 24Mps with no SR or pixel shift.
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QuoteOriginally posted by robbiec Quote
You're not getting it. F the 'Pro' market!
No. You're not getting it. The Pentax Ambassador said this camera was aimed at the PRO market. Ricoh is after professionals, or so they say. You are correct. This camera is an enthusiasts camera. Nothing wrong with that. This camera is a great value.

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???

'Jaw dropping' comment from you, Winder. 😉

The D750 costs more and is only 24Mps with no SR or pixel shift.
It costs $100 dollars more. The mega-pickles are irrelevant. The D4 is 16MP. How is that priced?

The D750 happens to be priced to compete in the same market that Ricoh is going for. The D750 has very good AF. Better than the D810 or the D4. It doesn't matter how many mega-pickles you have if they are out of focus. The more mega-pickles you have the more critical focus become.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
No. You're not getting it. The Pentax Ambassador said this camera was aimed at the PRO market. Ricoh is after professionals, or so they say. You are correct. This camera is an enthusiasts camera. Nothing wrong with that. This camera is a great value.
Agreed, but a Pentax Ambassador who posts in an unofficial capacity. Any interview with official Pentax representatives have not suggested anything about targeting the 'Pro' market but observing the wish that it's current customer base would like to be able to use a FF sensor.
A 'Pro' who is taking shots for a publication in F1 or Indy car or football will not even acknowledge this camera, they operate at a 'Pro' level above the majority of self proclaimed pros. A landscape pro could use this but would probably lament the lack of nice Zeiss glass, a wedding pro will be waiting for the DFA*70-200 first, a fashion studio pro will most likely be using Medium Format. But it does beg the question, what does a 'Pro' actually need in a camera? I know of pros that can use a smartphone and deliver amazing results, the best wedding photographer I have ever seen turned up with an LX, a K50/1.4, shot 3 rolls of film and each shot was a keeper, obviously he can't have been a 'Pro' where was his zooms? , flash? and latest and greatest predictive tracking? Dunno, he was Italian, cool as a breeze, came in, did his job and was gone.
What I'm trying to say is that there is an set of people on the Internet who frequent photographic forums and they class themselves as pros... Noisy lot too, fairly opinionated, and demanding. I don't think Ricoh have designed this camera for this class of photographic professional, rather they designed it for their users.

Go to the official K-1 website. I have looked for professional bias in the marketing but have found a user bias instead.
http://www.pentax.com/en/k-1/challengers/challengers01.html

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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
No. You're not getting it. The Pentax Ambassador said this camera was aimed at the PRO market. Ricoh is after professionals, or so they say. You are correct. This camera is an enthusiasts camera. Nothing wrong with that. This camera is a great value.

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It costs $100 dollars more. The mega-pickles are irrelevant. The D4 is 16MP. How is that priced?

The D750 happens to be priced to compete in the same market that Ricoh is going for. The D750 has very good AF. Better than the D810 or the D4. It doesn't matter how many mega-pickles you have if they are out of focus. The more mega-pickles you have the more critical focus become.
The only thing the D750 beats the K-1 with is AF in all other aspects the K-1 wins much better build SR,GPS, it was not built to compete against D750 which is a budget sports camera it was built to compete with D810 which it does very well at a much better price.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote



It costs $100 dollars more. The mega-pickles are irrelevant.

Is that because your A7 II only has 24 of them? :-D

That 'first whiner' prize another member awarded you ... it needs to be framed, in glass, and sent to you.

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The only thing the D750 beats the K-1 with is AF
On paper perhaps, but in real world shooting conditions: we don't know that for certain...
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On paper perhaps, but in real world shooting conditions: we don't know that for certain...
That is true
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