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02-17-2016, 08:50 PM - 1 Like   #526
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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
in the days of the K series introduction, I recall thinking that Pentax would one day reach a milestone by delivering a K-1 flagship camera that would put fear into all of the other camera manufacturers.
HOYA has a lot to do with how things have turned out, for starters the K-1 would have been released much sooner if Pentax paired up with Ricoh sooner.

02-17-2016, 08:56 PM   #527
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
If my comments about "what specifications are Jaw dropping" is considered whining, then fine. Kenspro said some of the specs were "jaw dropping" and I don't see anything jaw dropping about it. Ricoh has rolled out a great camera for a great price, but it is less than I expected.
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Just been an hour in the phone with Ricoh..Now i know ALL specs and little features. There are a few minor disappointments..but there will be some new features that will make your jaw drop..and that no other brand has on their pro cameras. So get ready for some neat surprises
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QuoteOriginally posted by Not a Number Quote
What kenspo said:
OK. The price is the only thing that came close to making my jaw drop. That is a great price for a D810 in K-mount.
02-17-2016, 08:59 PM   #529
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QuoteOriginally posted by Edvinas Quote
I've switched to Nikon three years ago. Sold Pentax cameras, flashes, accessories. However I kept three FA limiters. Was waiting for Pentax FF.

But these specs are disappointing. 36 Megapixels and only 4.4 fps Way too much megapixels and way too slow.

My three FA limiteds will be listed in marketplace soon...
The K-1 offers a few unique functions, so other than higher spec video, what would you have expected to find?

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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
I know I will come across as the bad guy for saying this but, I can't help but feel let down with the release of the K-1. That said, I guess the upside is that the following Pentax FF camera's will only get better as time goes on.

PS. I don't know if I'm the only person who remembers, but in the days of the K series introduction, I recall thinking that Pentax would one day reach a milestone by delivering a K-1 flagship camera that would put fear into all of the other camera manufacturers.
Why do you think that this isn't the case?

A sub (not by pennies) $2k well appointed full frame with high resolution. I thought at the time that Ricoh delayed the release when they saw the $1600 Sony full frame and realized that their target price range wouldn't sell, so they bought 6 months to shave costs to compete.

And they did. All the other manufacturers are facing the same challenge, and now Ricoh shows up with this. Ricoh will sell lots of these.

At least it isn't 1/3 the price as the 645Z is to it's competitors. But it is about 1/3 cheaper for something comparable.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
All the modern sensors are more than capable of professional results. It will be the AF that will make or break this camera
Really? AF is the only important criterion? AF-C may be lacking compared to the best, but not ever pro job requires great AF tracking, if at all. Are no other attributes that may may the camera desirable for some?
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The few things I would have liked that didn't make it weren't enough to stop me from preordering it at this price point. Sure, I'd have liked the 42mp sensor. Sure, I'd have liked 4k video at 60fps (or even 30), and sure, I wanted lower ISO availability, but you know what? At the end of the day this is a camera that is 700 LESS than what i had set aside for a FF and I already have lenses that should have full compatibility from 12-450mm, more with the inclusion of the 1.4 tc and 1.7 afa. I will use my APSC only ones on my K3, and I will use the K3 for long shots too, so I will have a great package with this and what I have. I am content.
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I came across the following somewhere:

The difference between USB 2.0 -3.0 Interface IC is minimal, roughly 70-90 cents

I'm sure that at the retail level the above translates to more than the numbers indicate. I've seen other cases in the past where pennies are saved at the manufacturing level in order to keep retail prices down.
It wasn't the cost savings that prompted them a USB2.0. It was the power spec of 3.0 and the limitation of the SD card speeds. There aren't SD cards faster than 480MB/s (max USB2.0 tx speed). So it is a moot point. Also the connector size (the real estate inside the camera) and the adoption of a USB3.0 on an SLR body.

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QuoteOriginally posted by derekkite Quote
When Pentax talks Pro market they are talking about people who need solid performers that just work at a good price. They will sell two of these to people who have wanted a second body but couldn't justify $6k. That is the professional market they understand, thd same things that characterize the tools I use. Reasonably priced, reliable and designed to do it's job well.
Yes. Great AF-C or high-end video is not the highest priority for everybody.
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OK. The price is the only thing that came close to making my jaw drop. That is a great price for a D810 in K-mount.
Frankly I do understand, but this is as important as the Sony $1600 full frame that came out last year. It wasn't extraordinarily high resolution, and had some things that made it a non starter for some, but it redefined the market, including for Ricoh. This body will as well, as a high resolution sub $2k full frame.

By next black friday it may be a $1500 body. I paid $1300 for the K3 when it came out.

I'm not certain whether Ricoh will satisfy the high end demands that are driven by specific requirements. This offering is bread and butter, a functional compelling offering for the price that will satisfy a large segment of the market. Pentax will live to see another day and be in a position to pursue other market segments. It will generate cash flow to fund the service and support necessary for higher end offerings.

A $3500 masterpiece would have been a disaster no matter how exceptional the performance.
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I can understand some lukewarm first impressions with some aspects of the announced specifications- but it also appears that Ricoh/Pentax have capitalized on some of its strengths to provide a unique platform / array of features / sensor tuning. As the production release continues to unfold and the camera bodies get into the hands of actual users- I think we'll find that the K-1 really does extend beyond the D810.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
No. If I wanted more mega-pickles I would buy the A7rII. For wedding and portrait work I really don't need more than 24MP. I spend more time brushing skin than I want already.
If you look back to the weeks preceeding today, one thing Pentaxians continually asked for was at least 36MP. That may have not been you, but I'm guessing there would have been much more "whining" from many more people if this camera didn't have more than 24MP. My K-30 allows me to specify 16MP, 12MP, 8MP, or 5MP images; perhaps the K-1 will provide similar options. Yes, I know that the price covers a 36MP camera, but looking at all the other features, such as the LCD, it might still be worth its rather impressively low price even if you down-scaled images in the camera.

The only sense in which Pentax is doomed is that they cannot make one camera which makes everyone happy.
If they leave something out, people whine about the omission.
If they put something in, people whine about the added cost.

As you can see from my signature photo, I tend not to purchase expensive equipment, but if I had the finances, I would very happily buy this camera.
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I think anyone that is disappointed was expecting a camera that costs almost double this price. I too opined for a giant OVF, but once I saw the price point, the wealth of features, I understood what Ricoh is doing here, they are replicating the 645z success. Strategically it is the best move they could have made, they have caught up with the price points of even used high end DSLRs.

I think it is safe to say that if this goes well there will be future higher spec'd versions to come, but maybe not for a couple years.
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This pricing is for the pros i am thinking. Pros need 2 bodies with a short and long tele mounted at all times. This price point helps pros have 2 bodies with
1. K1+24-70f2.8
2. K1+70-200f2.8
Potentially a 3rd with 15-30f2.8 on it and they are covered.
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QuoteOriginally posted by derekkite Quote
Frankly I do understand, but this is as important as the Sony $1600 full frame that came out last year. It wasn't extraordinarily high resolution, and had some things that made it a non starter for some, but it redefined the market, including for Ricoh. This body will as well, as a high resolution sub $2k full frame.

By next black friday it may be a $1500 body. I paid $1300 for the K3 when it came out.

I'm not certain whether Ricoh will satisfy the high end demands that are driven by specific requirements. This offering is bread and butter, a functional compelling offering for the price that will satisfy a large segment of the market. Pentax will live to see another day and be in a position to pursue other market segments. It will generate cash flow to fund the service and support necessary for higher end offerings.

A $3500 masterpiece would have been a disaster no matter how exceptional the performance.


QuoteOriginally posted by Deimos Quote
I think anyone that is disappointed was expecting a camera that costs almost double this price. I too opined for a giant OVF, but once I saw the price point, the wealth of features, I understood what Ricoh is doing here, they are replicating the 645z success. Strategically it is the best move they could have made, they have caught up with the price points of even used high end DSLRs.

I think it is safe to say that if this goes well there will be future higher spec'd versions to come, but maybe not for a couple years.

Cannot be more agree,
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