Tamron coming back to the K-mount???

pathdoc · 02-17-2016, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by jimr-pdx

What the heck, join the micro4:3 consortium Ricoh, I dare ya!

Saturated market with experienced and competent players. Not worth the try IMO. I had once wondered about it as an evolutionary pathway for Q, but the Q lenses probably won't cover a M4/3 sensor and without that you have to invest in a completely new set of lenses or run with whatever mount Olympus and Panasonic are using. Too much licensing of other people's technology.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-17-2016, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Ron, let's talk about when Pentax is so successful they have to open another Vietnam factory instead of trying to think of imaginary ways for Pentax to wither away into nothing and disappear.

Having two factory's is first of all extra cost and extra staff. I can see the K-1 being succesfull, but still not needing an extra factory. In aps-c the lens sale isn't to big, since there are plenty lenses sold over the past decade that are still great.

jimr-pdx · 02-17-2016, 12:25 PM

I'd be happy with a Q/NX fusion that's for sure

.. but we digress!

**monochrome** · 02-17-2016, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Having two factory's is first of all extra cost and extra staff. I can see the K-1 being succesfull, but still not needing an extra factory. In aps-c the lens sale isn't to big, since there are plenty lenses sold over the past decade that are still great.

The idea is for Pentax to grow so much they have to add capacity, not to hope they can cut capacity to save money.

Kunzite · 02-17-2016, 12:34 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Redirecting production to another location, outsourcing, is still developing Pentax. That is very normal business today.

Well we already have 24-70 and 15-30 coming out of the Tamron factory. So quality isn't an issue. If they also make the 35mm, 45mm, 85mm and 180mm macro for Pentax, that would be great.

The next step......who knows.

Ron, stop this FUD nonsense. You tried to "stop" the K-1 from happening, now you're trying to "close" Pentax down. That's a silly game you're playing.
Closing down critical factories is not "very normal", nor what is happening with Ricoh. Hint: they allocated about 60 million USD to "Increase production of digital cameras ,etc.".

bertwert · 02-17-2016, 12:38 PM

This would be nice...

thibs · 02-17-2016, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Having two factory's is first of all extra cost and extra staff. I can see the K-1 being succesfull, but still not needing an extra factory. In aps-c the lens sale isn't to big, since there are plenty lenses sold over the past decade that are still great.

LOL. And I thought Pentax was capacity constrained. Another bad idea, Ron?

RonHendriks1966 · 02-17-2016, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

The idea is for Pentax to grow so much they have to add capacity, not to hope they can cut capacity to save money.

We will see the lenses to come and where they are produced.

Kunzite · 02-17-2016, 12:41 PM

The Pentax-made lenses will be made in Pentax' factory from Vietnam, by Pentax. The Tamron-made lenses will be made in Tamron's factory from wherever, by Tamron. Doh!

**robbiec** · 02-17-2016, 12:43 PM

Jun Kirakawa's quote is being taken a bit out of context. First of all it was a thank you to Matt to join the closed group on FB. Second it was to confirm that "Tamron is now working in Pentax Camera Lenses" and lastly "let's talk" as in to the group on FB.

pathdoc · 02-17-2016, 12:50 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

The idea is for Pentax to grow so much they have to add capacity, not to hope they can cut capacity to save money.

Ron's ever the cheerful optimist, isn't he? /sarc

Whether or not the K-1 needs another factory, Ricoh have picked Pentax up out of the dust, brushed it off and helped it along the road to a potentially bright future (as opposed to the definite ignominious demise I hear they were sliding towards under Hoya), and I trust them to know more about the development and manufacture of cameras than some guy (several some guys, and probably occasional gals) on the internet. Let them licence as many designs from Tamron as they want - if what we get out of it are bright shiny lenses with bright shiny green Pentax rings and bright shiny Pentax coatings and reliable Pentax weather sealing and reliable focus systems (regardless of what they may be called) that work hand in glove with the camera bodies to take great pictures, I'm all for it.

Mattox · 02-17-2016, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by robbiec

Jun Kirakawa's quote is being taken a bit out of context. First of all it was a thank you to Matt to join the closed group on FB. Second it was to confirm that "Tamron is now working in Pentax Camera Lenses" and lastly "let's talk" as in to the group on FB.

you are right there

i83N · 02-17-2016, 01:09 PM

And that's how you create a rumor that will shake stock

D1N0 · 02-17-2016, 01:14 PM

Tamron is moving in the right way. Up market. They probably want to restructure the company in accordance with that. They won't be able to compete with cheap offerings from China (and those are coming, mostly manual now, but AF will come too).

RonHendriks1966 · 02-17-2016, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

Tamron is moving in the right way. Up market. They probably want to restructure the company in accordance with that. They won't be able to compete with cheap offerings from China (and those are coming, mostly manual now, but AF will come too).

True, but Tamron somehow also lost the race from Sigma.

02-17-2016, 12:34 PM - 2 Likes	#35
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Redirecting production to another location, outsourcing, is still developing Pentax. That is very normal business today. Well we already have 24-70 and 15-30 coming out of the Tamron factory. So quality isn't an issue. If they also make the 35mm, 45mm, 85mm and 180mm macro for Pentax, that would be great. The next step......who knows. Ron, stop this FUD nonsense. You tried to "stop" the K-1 from happening, now you're trying to "close" Pentax down. That's a silly game you're playing. Closing down critical factories is not "very normal", nor what is happening with Ricoh. Hint: they allocated about 60 million USD to "Increase production of digital cameras ,etc.". Last edited by Kunzite; 02-17-2016 at 12:55 PM.

02-17-2016, 01:01 PM	#42
Mattox Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 292	Originally posted by robbiec Jun Kirakawa's quote is being taken a bit out of context. First of all it was a thank you to Matt to join the closed group on FB. Second it was to confirm that "Tamron is now working in Pentax Camera Lenses" and lastly "let's talk" as in to the group on FB. you are right there Last edited by Mattox; 02-17-2016 at 01:43 PM.

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02-17-2016, 12:22 PM	#31
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by jimr-pdx What the heck, join the micro4:3 consortium Ricoh, I dare ya! Saturated market with experienced and competent players. Not worth the try IMO. I had once wondered about it as an evolutionary pathway for Q, but the Q lenses probably won't cover a M4/3 sensor and without that you have to invest in a completely new set of lenses or run with whatever mount Olympus and Panasonic are using. Too much licensing of other people's technology.

02-17-2016, 12:24 PM	#32
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by monochrome Ron, let's talk about when Pentax is so successful they have to open another Vietnam factory instead of trying to think of imaginary ways for Pentax to wither away into nothing and disappear. Having two factory's is first of all extra cost and extra staff. I can see the K-1 being succesfull, but still not needing an extra factory. In aps-c the lens sale isn't to big, since there are plenty lenses sold over the past decade that are still great.

02-17-2016, 12:25 PM	#33
jimr-pdx Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Location: now 1 hour north of PDX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,897	I'd be happy with a Q/NX fusion that's for sure .. but we digress!

02-17-2016, 12:28 PM	#34
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Having two factory's is first of all extra cost and extra staff. I can see the K-1 being succesfull, but still not needing an extra factory. In aps-c the lens sale isn't to big, since there are plenty lenses sold over the past decade that are still great. The idea is for Pentax to grow so much they have to add capacity, not to hope they can cut capacity to save money.

02-17-2016, 12:38 PM	#36
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	This would be nice...

02-17-2016, 12:38 PM	#37
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Having two factory's is first of all extra cost and extra staff. I can see the K-1 being succesfull, but still not needing an extra factory. In aps-c the lens sale isn't to big, since there are plenty lenses sold over the past decade that are still great. LOL. And I thought Pentax was capacity constrained. Another bad idea, Ron?

02-17-2016, 12:40 PM	#38
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by monochrome The idea is for Pentax to grow so much they have to add capacity, not to hope they can cut capacity to save money. We will see the lenses to come and where they are produced.

02-17-2016, 12:41 PM	#39
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	The Pentax-made lenses will be made in Pentax' factory from Vietnam, by Pentax. The Tamron-made lenses will be made in Tamron's factory from wherever, by Tamron. Doh!

02-17-2016, 12:43 PM	#40
robbiec Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cork Photos: Albums Posts: 1,882	Jun Kirakawa's quote is being taken a bit out of context. First of all it was a thank you to Matt to join the closed group on FB. Second it was to confirm that "Tamron is now working in Pentax Camera Lenses" and lastly "let's talk" as in to the group on FB.

02-17-2016, 12:50 PM - 1 Like	#41
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by monochrome The idea is for Pentax to grow so much they have to add capacity, not to hope they can cut capacity to save money. Ron's ever the cheerful optimist, isn't he? /sarc Whether or not the K-1 needs another factory, Ricoh have picked Pentax up out of the dust, brushed it off and helped it along the road to a potentially bright future (as opposed to the definite ignominious demise I hear they were sliding towards under Hoya), and I trust them to know more about the development and manufacture of cameras than some guy (several some guys, and probably occasional gals) on the internet. Let them licence as many designs from Tamron as they want - if what we get out of it are bright shiny lenses with bright shiny green Pentax rings and bright shiny Pentax coatings and reliable Pentax weather sealing and reliable focus systems (regardless of what they may be called) that work hand in glove with the camera bodies to take great pictures, I'm all for it.

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02-17-2016, 01:09 PM	#43
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203	And that's how you create a rumor that will shake stock

02-17-2016, 01:14 PM	#44
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Tamron is moving in the right way. Up market. They probably want to restructure the company in accordance with that. They won't be able to compete with cheap offerings from China (and those are coming, mostly manual now, but AF will come too).

02-17-2016, 01:18 PM	#45
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by D1N0 Tamron is moving in the right way. Up market. They probably want to restructure the company in accordance with that. They won't be able to compete with cheap offerings from China (and those are coming, mostly manual now, but AF will come too). True, but Tamron somehow also lost the race from Sigma.