Pentax K-1 Officially Announced

**monochrome** · 02-19-2016, 09:04 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

I think he should try.

Having read about a baby pool and a bare bum on one of the Single In threads, I'll have to decline the challenge.

Sandy Hancock · 02-19-2016, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Having read about a baby pool and a bare bum on one of the Single In threads, I'll have to decline the challenge.

Selfie day is excellent fun.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 02-19-2016, 10:17 PM - **1 Like**

Do we actually care what Ken Rockwell says? He, like Thom Hogan, has never "got" Pentax.

yjcs · 02-19-2016, 10:23 PM - **1 Like**

ignore him and don't even bother.

traderdrew · 02-19-2016, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Amigo

Wow, didn't expect that feature come so soon after it was introduced

"Additionally, the K-1 has a motion correction setting that allows this function to be used even when shooting handheld."

That is a killer feature! I just might buy one.

---------- Post added 02-20-2016 at 01:16 AM ----------

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Do we actually care what Ken Rockwell says? He, like Thom Hogan, has never "got" Pentax.

I agreed with someone who basically said, he says controversial things to get more attention toward his site.

**colonel00** · 02-19-2016, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by traderdrew

"Additionally, the K-1 has a motion correction setting that allows this function to be used even when shooting handheld."

That is a killer feature! I just might buy one.

This could sell me on the FF, but maybe in a year or so. I still need to see a lot I of usage examples and reviews as well as improvements via firmware update, etc. It does have me hesitating on my planned purchase of the K-3 II in case the next APS-C implements this.

Zygonyx · 02-19-2016, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Do we actually care what Ken Rockwell says? He, like Thom Hogan, has never "got" Pentax.

I don't get what he really means, but don't you think the "aspergers" word is pretty insulting ?
Lucky is he that there is no "comment section" on his middle-aged blog....

sunfog · 02-20-2016, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra

Ken had a nice idea. Why not a FF Pentax with Leica M mount, so we can use the wonderful Leica lenses on the Pentax? Maybe this can be passed on to Ricoh. In any case, today is a holiday for me, the FF is here and I need to order it now. See you around.

There was actually a Ricoh GXR MOUNT A12 with the M mount. Its not FF, but still, it was already on the market.

GXR / Digital Cameras | RICOH IMAGING

Nicolas06 · 02-20-2016, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

I don't get what he really means, but don't you think the "aspergers" word is pretty insulting ?
Lucky is he that there is no "comment section" on his middle-aged blog....

The idea simple, the wanabe Pentaxian, maybe the guys that have seen there a new innexpensive FF could look for Pentax. IF they really decide to do that they are aspergers that wanna use their old manual lenses from 40 years ago.

The problem for his rethoric to me is that he is so agressive all the way and biased in his renting without giving argument but just his own impression that he discredit himself. I think nobody expect a few limited guys would be influenced by his post.

He is not logical in his reasonning:
Pentax bad because of noisy AF => But the last lenses are all DC sinice 2-3 years.
Pentax bad because of sensor stab => But the competitor he site have many lenses without stab, including Leica.
Pentax only good for old MF lenses of the 70 => Pentax should concentrate on Leica M manual lenses.

He doesn't get anything, doesn't try and just rant. But this is so obvious and badly made that I think everybody does see it.

But he doesn't even care, the Pentax FF got positive feedback from everybody... He give negative feedback so it give him views and clicks/ads. But to me he discredit himself has an autority. Reading his post here, the only thing he is worth to me is as entertainement like a clown.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 02-20-2016, 02:29 AM

Tony Northrup says some very nice things about Pentax

You Tube

Rai93 · 02-20-2016, 02:41 AM

Ugh I've just got into Photography with a DSLR and just from spending the last 2 weeks reading through articles, playing with my K50 and the images in LR, that K1 looks gorgeous. The extra e-dial made me look at my K50 sadly, I definitely love the e-dials on the k50, but an extra one would definitely help. The built in GPS, Wi-Fi, and supported tethering basically make that camera my birthday present next year once the price drops, I've gained more experience, they've worked out any bugs in the firmware, and maybe they'll replace the 2.0 USB with 3.0. Only real downside to me but like I said I'm a newbie :P.

zapp · 02-20-2016, 02:47 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Do we actually care what Ken Rockwell says? He, like Thom Hogan, has never "got" Pentax.

I think it is good to read other opinions and filter yourself. Here we can often read overly enthusiastic reviews of Pentax gear, Ken Rockwell may count for the exact opposite. The answer is somewhere in between. Ken points at a bunch of shortcomings in the Pentax system, most of them are obvious to objective readers. On the other hand he forgets to mention the advantages of Pentax that makes the camera worthwile.
Considering a K1, most of us will need to buy a bunch of new lenses - at least in the long run. The investment will be quite significant and we all will have to ask ourselves what else is out there. Simple example: A Nikon D750 with an existing 2.8/70-200 has many many advantages over a K1 with a one-year delayed 2.8/70-200. The Pentax combo will be MUCH heavier and the footprint of the Pentax will be LARGER (heavier and larger than... is new to Penatx cameras), AF will not reach Nikon standards (camera and lens focusing engine wise). Sure enough Pentax has in body shake reduction and all of us lived with SLOW AF for years, K1 can only be faster.
Summing it up: K1 is a turning point for Pentax placing a camera next to the full Canon, Nikon, Sony, lineup. We lived on promises for years. The next couple months will decide about Pentax' future. Today, I would not invest in a K1, but we are still at a pre-presentation stage. I expect more hard announcements within the next weeks that will most likely convince me.

**clackers** · 02-20-2016, 03:41 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by zapp

: A Nikon D750 with an existing 2.8/70-200 has many many advantages over a K1 with a one-year delayed 2.8/70-200. The Pentax combo will be MUCH heavier and the footprint of the Pentax will be LARGER

Weird example, Zapp.

The D750 is a class below - it's a 24Mp camera without SR when many members already get that resolution from their K-3.

The 810 is a thousand dollars more expensive, still has no SR and is - how did you put it? "LARGER" than the K-1. ☺

And I'm genuinely interested to know if the Nikon 70-200 is any smaller than the Pentax.

**Rondec** · 02-20-2016, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by zapp

I think it is good to read other opinions and filter yourself. Here we can often read overly enthusiastic reviews of Pentax gear, Ken Rockwell may count for the exact opposite. The answer is somewhere in between. Ken points at a bunch of shortcomings in the Pentax system, most of them are obvious to objective readers. On the other hand he forgets to mention the advantages of Pentax that makes the camera worthwile.
Considering a K1, most of us will need to buy a bunch of new lenses - at least in the long run. The investment will be quite significant and we all will have to ask ourselves what else is out there. Simple example: A Nikon D750 with an existing 2.8/70-200 has many many advantages over a K1 with a one-year delayed 2.8/70-200. The Pentax combo will be MUCH heavier and the footprint of the Pentax will be LARGER (heavier and larger than... is new to Penatx cameras), AF will not reach Nikon standards (camera and lens focusing engine wise). Sure enough Pentax has in body shake reduction and all of us lived with SLOW AF for years, K1 can only be faster.
Summing it up: K1 is a turning point for Pentax placing a camera next to the full Canon, Nikon, Sony, lineup. We lived on promises for years. The next couple months will decide about Pentax' future. Today, I would not invest in a K1, but we are still at a pre-presentation stage. I expect more hard announcements within the next weeks that will most likely convince me.

Ken Rockwell is not objective, he is just a fountain of opinions and he doesn't need facts to get in the way of them. He wrote a "review" of the 645z knocking it down for having too many auto focus points and having too many auto modes -- all without ever even handling one. Here, he just (in bad taste) says that Pentaxians all have Asperger's and they're the only ones who might be satisfied with something so unsatisfactory -- even while he talks up an entry level camera like the D5300.

I think all of us here know that this is not a perfect camera. Clearly Pentax chose not to put a really high frame rate in this camera -- and at 36 megapixels it wasn't likely to be a sports camera anyway. Video is sort of an after thought here as on other Pentax cameras. We don't know enough about auto focus to make a statement, although I would say that AF-S has been excellent in current generation Pentax cameras and it is only AF -C that needed work, hopefully it is better.

It is really tough to compare the K-1 to the D750. They just are such different cameras targeted at different purposes. The D750 is more expensive, has only 24 megapixels, and probably has a weaker build than the K-1. Because it only has 24 megapixels, it is able to shoot faster frame rates. At this point, we don't know about dynamic range, etc but odds are the K-1 will out perform the D750 in low iso situations and be better landscape camera. But based on your analysis, the D810 is a miserable fail, as everything you said about the K-1 pretty much applies to it as well -- plus it is a thousand dollars more expensive than the D750. What gives?

I've rambled on here awhile. I would just say that this is a start. Pentax has tried to create a reasonably priced full frame camera that gives a nice level of performance and allows for automatic function of K mount lenses. There aren't any other cameras out there that fit this bill and if you own (or desire) lenses like the FA limiteds than this is the camera for you. If you need a camera to shoot the Olympics, than it probably isn't (but neither are the D810 or 5D MK III either).

Gimbal · 02-20-2016, 03:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

Weird example, Zapp.

The D750 is a class below - it's a 24Mp camera without SR when many members already get that resolution from their K-3.

The 810 is a thousand dollars more expensive, still has no SR and is - how did you put it? "LARGER" than the K-1. ☺

And I'm genuinely interested to know if the Nikon 70-200 is any smaller than the Pentax.

Size seems to be comparable, Nikon 87x209mm and Pentax 91,5x203mm but weight is 1540gr for the Nikon and 2020 for the Pentax.
The Nikon has in lens shake reduction and is slightly cheaper. Both are expensive though.

Edit,
Could we all please stop talk about Ken Rockwell?
I've haven't cared about his ramblings for years, and I still don't care.

02-20-2016, 03:41 AM - 1 Like	#388
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by zapp : A Nikon D750 with an existing 2.8/70-200 has many many advantages over a K1 with a one-year delayed 2.8/70-200. The Pentax combo will be MUCH heavier and the footprint of the Pentax will be LARGER Weird example, Zapp. The D750 is a class below - it's a 24Mp camera without SR when many members already get that resolution from their K-3. The 810 is a thousand dollars more expensive, still has no SR and is - how did you put it? "LARGER" than the K-1. ☺ And I'm genuinely interested to know if the Nikon 70-200 is any smaller than the Pentax. Last edited by clackers; 02-20-2016 at 03:46 AM.

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02-19-2016, 09:04 PM - 1 Like	#376
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock I think he should try. Having read about a baby pool and a bare bum on one of the Single In threads, I'll have to decline the challenge.

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Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by monochrome Having read about a baby pool and a bare bum on one of the Single In threads, I'll have to decline the challenge. Selfie day is excellent fun.

02-19-2016, 10:17 PM - 1 Like	#378
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Do we actually care what Ken Rockwell says? He, like Thom Hogan, has never "got" Pentax.

02-19-2016, 10:23 PM - 1 Like	#379
yjcs Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: calgary Photos: Gallery Posts: 39	ignore him and don't even bother.

02-19-2016, 11:14 PM	#380
traderdrew Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 639	Originally posted by Amigo Wow, didn't expect that feature come so soon after it was introduced "Additionally, the K-1 has a motion correction setting that allows this function to be used even when shooting handheld." That is a killer feature! I just might buy one. ---------- Post added 02-20-2016 at 01:16 AM ---------- Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Do we actually care what Ken Rockwell says? He, like Thom Hogan, has never "got" Pentax. I agreed with someone who basically said, he says controversial things to get more attention toward his site.

02-19-2016, 11:18 PM	#381
colonel00 Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 483	Originally posted by traderdrew "Additionally, the K-1 has a motion correction setting that allows this function to be used even when shooting handheld." That is a killer feature! I just might buy one. This could sell me on the FF, but maybe in a year or so. I still need to see a lot I of usage examples and reviews as well as improvements via firmware update, etc. It does have me hesitating on my planned purchase of the K-3 II in case the next APS-C implements this.

02-19-2016, 11:36 PM	#382
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Do we actually care what Ken Rockwell says? He, like Thom Hogan, has never "got" Pentax. I don't get what he really means, but don't you think the "aspergers" word is pretty insulting ? Lucky is he that there is no "comment section" on his middle-aged blog....

02-20-2016, 12:23 AM	#383
sunfog New Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 14	Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra Ken had a nice idea. Why not a FF Pentax with Leica M mount, so we can use the wonderful Leica lenses on the Pentax? Maybe this can be passed on to Ricoh. In any case, today is a holiday for me, the FF is here and I need to order it now. See you around. There was actually a Ricoh GXR MOUNT A12 with the M mount. Its not FF, but still, it was already on the market. GXR / Digital Cameras \| RICOH IMAGING

02-20-2016, 01:54 AM	#384
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by Zygonyx I don't get what he really means, but don't you think the "aspergers" word is pretty insulting ? Lucky is he that there is no "comment section" on his middle-aged blog.... The idea simple, the wanabe Pentaxian, maybe the guys that have seen there a new innexpensive FF could look for Pentax. IF they really decide to do that they are aspergers that wanna use their old manual lenses from 40 years ago. The problem for his rethoric to me is that he is so agressive all the way and biased in his renting without giving argument but just his own impression that he discredit himself. I think nobody expect a few limited guys would be influenced by his post. He is not logical in his reasonning: Pentax bad because of noisy AF => But the last lenses are all DC sinice 2-3 years. Pentax bad because of sensor stab => But the competitor he site have many lenses without stab, including Leica. Pentax only good for old MF lenses of the 70 => Pentax should concentrate on Leica M manual lenses. He doesn't get anything, doesn't try and just rant. But this is so obvious and badly made that I think everybody does see it. But he doesn't even care, the Pentax FF got positive feedback from everybody... He give negative feedback so it give him views and clicks/ads. But to me he discredit himself has an autority. Reading his post here, the only thing he is worth to me is as entertainement like a clown.

02-20-2016, 02:41 AM	#386
Rai93 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Boaz, Alabama Photos: Albums Posts: 40	Ugh I've just got into Photography with a DSLR and just from spending the last 2 weeks reading through articles, playing with my K50 and the images in LR, that K1 looks gorgeous. The extra e-dial made me look at my K50 sadly, I definitely love the e-dials on the k50, but an extra one would definitely help. The built in GPS, Wi-Fi, and supported tethering basically make that camera my birthday present next year once the price drops, I've gained more experience, they've worked out any bugs in the firmware, and maybe they'll replace the 2.0 USB with 3.0. Only real downside to me but like I said I'm a newbie :P.

02-20-2016, 02:47 AM - 1 Like	#387
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Do we actually care what Ken Rockwell says? He, like Thom Hogan, has never "got" Pentax. I think it is good to read other opinions and filter yourself. Here we can often read overly enthusiastic reviews of Pentax gear, Ken Rockwell may count for the exact opposite. The answer is somewhere in between. Ken points at a bunch of shortcomings in the Pentax system, most of them are obvious to objective readers. On the other hand he forgets to mention the advantages of Pentax that makes the camera worthwile. Considering a K1, most of us will need to buy a bunch of new lenses - at least in the long run. The investment will be quite significant and we all will have to ask ourselves what else is out there. Simple example: A Nikon D750 with an existing 2.8/70-200 has many many advantages over a K1 with a one-year delayed 2.8/70-200. The Pentax combo will be MUCH heavier and the footprint of the Pentax will be LARGER (heavier and larger than... is new to Penatx cameras), AF will not reach Nikon standards (camera and lens focusing engine wise). Sure enough Pentax has in body shake reduction and all of us lived with SLOW AF for years, K1 can only be faster. Summing it up: K1 is a turning point for Pentax placing a camera next to the full Canon, Nikon, Sony, lineup. We lived on promises for years. The next couple months will decide about Pentax' future. Today, I would not invest in a K1, but we are still at a pre-presentation stage. I expect more hard announcements within the next weeks that will most likely convince me.

02-20-2016, 03:54 AM	#389
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by zapp I think it is good to read other opinions and filter yourself. Here we can often read overly enthusiastic reviews of Pentax gear, Ken Rockwell may count for the exact opposite. The answer is somewhere in between. Ken points at a bunch of shortcomings in the Pentax system, most of them are obvious to objective readers. On the other hand he forgets to mention the advantages of Pentax that makes the camera worthwile. Considering a K1, most of us will need to buy a bunch of new lenses - at least in the long run. The investment will be quite significant and we all will have to ask ourselves what else is out there. Simple example: A Nikon D750 with an existing 2.8/70-200 has many many advantages over a K1 with a one-year delayed 2.8/70-200. The Pentax combo will be MUCH heavier and the footprint of the Pentax will be LARGER (heavier and larger than... is new to Penatx cameras), AF will not reach Nikon standards (camera and lens focusing engine wise). Sure enough Pentax has in body shake reduction and all of us lived with SLOW AF for years, K1 can only be faster. Summing it up: K1 is a turning point for Pentax placing a camera next to the full Canon, Nikon, Sony, lineup. We lived on promises for years. The next couple months will decide about Pentax' future. Today, I would not invest in a K1, but we are still at a pre-presentation stage. I expect more hard announcements within the next weeks that will most likely convince me. Ken Rockwell is not objective, he is just a fountain of opinions and he doesn't need facts to get in the way of them. He wrote a "review" of the 645z knocking it down for having too many auto focus points and having too many auto modes -- all without ever even handling one. Here, he just (in bad taste) says that Pentaxians all have Asperger's and they're the only ones who might be satisfied with something so unsatisfactory -- even while he talks up an entry level camera like the D5300. I think all of us here know that this is not a perfect camera. Clearly Pentax chose not to put a really high frame rate in this camera -- and at 36 megapixels it wasn't likely to be a sports camera anyway. Video is sort of an after thought here as on other Pentax cameras. We don't know enough about auto focus to make a statement, although I would say that AF-S has been excellent in current generation Pentax cameras and it is only AF -C that needed work, hopefully it is better. It is really tough to compare the K-1 to the D750. They just are such different cameras targeted at different purposes. The D750 is more expensive, has only 24 megapixels, and probably has a weaker build than the K-1. Because it only has 24 megapixels, it is able to shoot faster frame rates. At this point, we don't know about dynamic range, etc but odds are the K-1 will out perform the D750 in low iso situations and be better landscape camera. But based on your analysis, the D810 is a miserable fail, as everything you said about the K-1 pretty much applies to it as well -- plus it is a thousand dollars more expensive than the D750. What gives? I've rambled on here awhile. I would just say that this is a start. Pentax has tried to create a reasonably priced full frame camera that gives a nice level of performance and allows for automatic function of K mount lenses. There aren't any other cameras out there that fit this bill and if you own (or desire) lenses like the FA limiteds than this is the camera for you. If you need a camera to shoot the Olympics, than it probably isn't (but neither are the D810 or 5D MK III either).

02-20-2016, 03:57 AM - 1 Like	#390
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by clackers Weird example, Zapp. The D750 is a class below - it's a 24Mp camera without SR when many members already get that resolution from their K-3. The 810 is a thousand dollars more expensive, still has no SR and is - how did you put it? "LARGER" than the K-1. ☺ And I'm genuinely interested to know if the Nikon 70-200 is any smaller than the Pentax. Size seems to be comparable, Nikon 87x209mm and Pentax 91,5x203mm but weight is 1540gr for the Nikon and 2020 for the Pentax. The Nikon has in lens shake reduction and is slightly cheaper. Both are expensive though. Edit, Could we all please stop talk about Ken Rockwell? I've haven't cared about his ramblings for years, and I still don't care.