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02-26-2016, 09:08 AM   #631
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Did Hoya ever own Tokina?

02-26-2016, 09:12 AM   #632
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QuoteOriginally posted by giuseppesavo Quote
What makes me perplexed about actual "tamronisation" of Pentax is the fact that in the past the common lenses were sold branded tamron and pentax (I had a 18-250 tamron). Now new tamron lenses are not avaialable for pentax.
In the past Sigma lenses were more or less all available for K-system. now...
Tokina lenses continue to be produced only for nikon and canon mount...

Just this. I hope that the present agreement with Tamron is not blocking any future development of k-mount system.

We'll see...
Ah, I see now. Well, my own view is that we're more likely to see Tamron's development of K-mount lenses given the partnership with Pentax, even if they do have "Pentax" labelling.

But as you say, we'll see. Time will tell !
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Did Hoya ever own Tokina?
Kenko bought Tokina in 2011 and maybe there the change was made. No idea about Hoya.
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Yes, Tokina merging with Kenko in 2011 is a known/documented fact. But Kenko Tokina being owned by Hoya?

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In the US they seem to be under one umbrella: Kenko Tokina USA, Inc.

and when you look at the individual sites:
http://www.slik.com/ (853 Kayama, Hidaka City, Saitama, 350-1231 Japan) +81-42989-0990
http://www.hoyafilter.com/ (KT Nakano Building, 5-68-10 Nakano, Nakano-ku, Tokyo 164-8616, Japan) +81-3-6840-3037
http://www.tokinalens.com/ (KT Nakano Building, 5-68-10 Nakano, Nakano-ku, Tokyo 164-8616, Japan) +81-3-6840-3037
http://www.kenkoglobal.com/ (KT Nakano Building, 5-68-10, Nakano, Nakano-ku, Tokyo, 164-8616, JAPAN) +81-3-6840-3228

very similar Hoya and Tokina even have the same phone number.

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I think that a lot of Pentax users, anticipated for this camera to come and I can't understand some people saying that it was not necessary addition in pentax's arsenal...
It is the most welcome camera!!! Maybe the crop sensors are very good, but professionals and semi-pros we needed this camera. My opinion is, that for studio and landscape photographs the FF is a must have (even better a medium format but €€€€).
From the specs I can tell that this camera is a professional one, in the area of landscape, portrait, fashion and studio photography and semi-pro for sports.
I think that the major grumble is about video capabilities. No 4K (which has it in this price range?) and no 60p (I think that the grumble is logical here).
About the capabilities in photography, I would like to see flash X sync speed at 1/250 (1/200 is ok but…) and maybe a little more focus points.

So, for me, this camera will be the perfect one, for the price, if it had:
Sync speed: 1/250
More focus points
60p for video
I don’t know if already exist; a very good program that could corporate excellent with pc or mac, wirelessly, the moment you taking your photos, for immediate check on your pc screen.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
In the US they seem to be under one umbrella: Kenko Tokina USA, Inc.
That's a regional distributor.
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Hoya filters have been branded Kenko in Japan for ages.

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And certain Tamron lenses have been branded Pentax
I'm not saying it isn't true; but if it is true, why isn't there any proof? Remember, we're talking about "Hoya, the owner of pentax and tokina brands".
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I think Kenko-Tokina is using the Hoya Brand to sell filters. The filters are not part of Hoya Corporation anymore. It is a 3.3 km walk from Hoya's headqaurters to Kenko-Tokina. It is likely they belong to the same Keiretsu.

https://www.google.nl/maps/dir/%EF%BC%A8%EF%BC%AF%EF%BC%B9%EF%BC%A1%EF%BC%88...7428!3e2?hl=nl
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QuoteOriginally posted by Tom S. Quote
While the price may be similar, I doubt the average Canadian's wages have kept parity with the US dollar, so the bottom line is it still costs more.
I absolutely understand that for a while there was an advantage buying from the US.

But that is not considering all aspects of the deal. A subject for another thread, another forum, another time. ;-)
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
You said that FA31 and FA77 are discontinued. The official information says that it's not true
It's all rumors. No one really knows. If you want one, buy one - don't try to war-game the system. US prices are pretty good right now.
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A lot of these same lenses in question were also the ones that Samsung rebranded (D-Xenon or D-Xenogon) for their K10D & K20D clones... don't know that it really means anything one way or the other (as they also rebranded the FA 35mm f2 and that is a known Pentax design... example of one here on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Schneider-SA-35mm-f-2-D-Xenogon-Lens-for-Pen...0AAOSwpRRWmbUO .)

Point is, I've used most of those lenses and I've used the new 24-70mm f2.8 (on a K-3II) and been more than happy with the results. As has been discussed plenty, just because a lens isn't 100% Pentax (if that can really even be defined at this point) doesn't make it less quality in any way. In fact, I would argue with what Pentax has on the line at this point, I would imagine they are even more hypersensitive to quality and quality control so it seems like a lot of worrying for nothing.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
I think Kenko-Tokina is using the Hoya Brand to sell filters. The filters are not part of Hoya Corporation anymore. It is a 3.3 km walk from Hoya's headqaurters to Kenko-Tokina. It is likely they belong to the same Keiretsu.
I don't believe Kenko and Hoya filters are using the same materials or production line. The reason I say this - in the past 2 years I've had three Kenko UV filters that affected captured images in the same way (adding feint but noticeable diagonal lines in bokeh areas). Conversely, after testing a number of other UV filters from Tiffen, Hoya, Kood and several lesser brands, I've found Hoya HMC to be consistently good performers; not ONE of them has shown any image degradation at 1:1 magnification. Whilst hardly a scientific or conclusive test, I can only surmise that Kenko and Hoya filters are not equivalent...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Did Hoya ever own Tokina?
Kenko-Tokina is a private company that is owned by the same people who sit on the board of directors of Hoya. If you look at the list of board members you see they have many of the same members and or relatives. Hoya never owned Kenko-Tokina, but the people who own/control Hoya also own Kenko-Tokina.
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