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02-25-2016, 07:21 PM   #631
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http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/products/lens/images/K_Mount_Lens.pdf

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http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/products/lens/images/K_Mount_D_FA_Lens_Roadmap.pdf

02-25-2016, 07:34 PM   #632
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
And easy to buy worldwide.
Hmm. Just tried to find a supplier for the FA 35mm F2 AL in my part of the world. No success.

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02-25-2016, 09:53 PM   #633
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ogl sorry I didn't mean to imply that B&H was the center of the universe. But they are a good gauge for US prices.

The US dollar has been pretty strong the last year which has brought down the price of Pentax lenses in the US.
You said that FA31 and FA77 are discontinued. The official information says that it's not true.

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QuoteOriginally posted by 6x7 Quote
Hmm. Just tried to find a supplier for the FA 35mm F2 AL in my part of the world. No success.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
You said that FA31 and FA77 are discontinued. The official information says that it's not true.

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He said dicounted, not discontinued

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To be short right now ('cos on my phone):
Those tokina/Pentax lenses were all optically designed by Pentax but the 12-24 which is a Tokina design.
Designs were licensed to Tokina (as patents show) which put them in their own barrel, own electronics, coatings and motors.
Opposite for 12-24 of course.
That's a very concise summary

So photozone bla bla is wrong.
02-26-2016, 01:25 AM   #636
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
To be short right now ('cos on my phone):
Those tokina/Pentax lenses were all optically designed by Pentax but the 12-24 which is a Tokina design.
Designs were licensed to Tokina (as patents show) which put them in their own barrel, own electronics, coatings and motors.
Opposite for 12-24 of course.
That's a very concise summary

So photozone bla bla is wrong.
Fascinating - thanks for setting me straight. Just goes to show you can't believe everything you read on the internet!
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QuoteOriginally posted by melander Quote
He said dicounted, not discontinued
Yes. Thank you. Need to use eye-glasses already.
02-26-2016, 02:28 AM   #638
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The FA35 is heavily discounted on Yodobashi right now, wish I was in Japan: http://www.yodobashi.com/ペンタックス-PENTAX-FA35mmF2AL-標準レンズ-35mm-F2-0-ペンタックスK/pd...0001000001423/

(I still regret not buying that lens at Yodobashi when I bought my K10D there more than 8 years ago, the price was fantastic at that time)

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QuoteOriginally posted by BigMackCam Quote
In which case you may want to propose corrections to the Wikipedia article... If it's genuinely wrong, I stand corrected!

If you search Google for "Wikipedia Pentax Tokina" and bring up the wiki entry, it reads as follows:

Tokina has[when?] become a partner of Pentax, a division of Ricoh, and has agreed to jointly develop some lenses. These will[when?] be available under the Pentax brand in Pentax K mount and under the Tokina brand for all other lens mounts. However, the research center, design and engineering teams of these two companies are[when?] completely independent.
The co-developed lenses share main optical designs but have different barrel structures and coatings.[citation needed] They also have some other different features. For example, the Tokina AT-X Pro 12-24mm II comes with built-in silent focusing motor, while the Pentax version has screwdrive autofocus. Another example is that Tokina AT-X Pro 16-50mm and 50-135mm have only screw-drive autofocus and no weather-sealing, but Pentax versions have both features.


This is my only reference, so you may well be correct...
the tokina-pentax projects for aps-c lenses should be: 10-17, 12-24, 16-50 and 50-135.

I think that Hoya, the owner of pentax and tokina brands between 2007 and 2011, moved some technologies (inclunding lens coating) between the two brands, and the innovative coating on the frontal lens of tokina 50-135 sounds too much similar to the SP coating on the frontal lens in pentax 18-135...

Furthermore, the 16-50 tokina for canon is "sdm", for nikon is screw-driven. Pentax 16-50 has the possibility to be converted in "screw-drived".
The 10-17 pentax is not SDM, and the same the 10-17 tokina.
The 50-135 tokina has the ultrasonic motor but not the screw drive, like the 50-135 pentax.

Conversely, the differences in 12-24's are bigger: the pentax has 8 blades, the tokina 9 rounded blades.

What makes me perplexed about actual "tamronisation" of Pentax is the fact that in the past the common lenses were sold branded tamron and pentax (I had a 18-250 tamron). Now new tamron lenses are not avaialable for pentax.
In the past Sigma lenses were more or less all available for K-system. now...
Tokina lenses continue to be produced only for nikon and canon mount...

Just this. I hope that the present agreement with Tamron is not blocking any future development of k-mount system.

We'll see...
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Did Hoya ever own Tokina?
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QuoteOriginally posted by giuseppesavo Quote
What makes me perplexed about actual "tamronisation" of Pentax is the fact that in the past the common lenses were sold branded tamron and pentax (I had a 18-250 tamron). Now new tamron lenses are not avaialable for pentax.
In the past Sigma lenses were more or less all available for K-system. now...
Tokina lenses continue to be produced only for nikon and canon mount...

Just this. I hope that the present agreement with Tamron is not blocking any future development of k-mount system.

We'll see...
Ah, I see now. Well, my own view is that we're more likely to see Tamron's development of K-mount lenses given the partnership with Pentax, even if they do have "Pentax" labelling.

But as you say, we'll see. Time will tell !
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Did Hoya ever own Tokina?
Kenko bought Tokina in 2011 and maybe there the change was made. No idea about Hoya.
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Yes, Tokina merging with Kenko in 2011 is a known/documented fact. But Kenko Tokina being owned by Hoya?
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In the US they seem to be under one umbrella: Kenko Tokina USA, Inc.

and when you look at the individual sites:
http://www.slik.com/ (853 Kayama, Hidaka City, Saitama, 350-1231 Japan) +81-42989-0990
http://www.hoyafilter.com/ (KT Nakano Building, 5-68-10 Nakano, Nakano-ku, Tokyo 164-8616, Japan) +81-3-6840-3037
http://www.tokinalens.com/ (KT Nakano Building, 5-68-10 Nakano, Nakano-ku, Tokyo 164-8616, Japan) +81-3-6840-3037
http://www.kenkoglobal.com/ (KT Nakano Building, 5-68-10, Nakano, Nakano-ku, Tokyo, 164-8616, JAPAN) +81-3-6840-3228

very similar Hoya and Tokina even have the same phone number.

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I think that a lot of Pentax users, anticipated for this camera to come and I can't understand some people saying that it was not necessary addition in pentax's arsenal...
It is the most welcome camera!!! Maybe the crop sensors are very good, but professionals and semi-pros we needed this camera. My opinion is, that for studio and landscape photographs the FF is a must have (even better a medium format but €€€€).
From the specs I can tell that this camera is a professional one, in the area of landscape, portrait, fashion and studio photography and semi-pro for sports.
I think that the major grumble is about video capabilities. No 4K (which has it in this price range?) and no 60p (I think that the grumble is logical here).
About the capabilities in photography, I would like to see flash X sync speed at 1/250 (1/200 is ok but…) and maybe a little more focus points.

So, for me, this camera will be the perfect one, for the price, if it had:
Sync speed: 1/250
More focus points
60p for video
I don’t know if already exist; a very good program that could corporate excellent with pc or mac, wirelessly, the moment you taking your photos, for immediate check on your pc screen.
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