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02-26-2016, 09:48 AM   #646
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
In the US they seem to be under one umbrella: Kenko Tokina USA, Inc.
That's a regional distributor.

02-26-2016, 10:18 AM   #647
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Hoya filters have been branded Kenko in Japan for ages.
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And certain Tamron lenses have been branded Pentax
I'm not saying it isn't true; but if it is true, why isn't there any proof? Remember, we're talking about "Hoya, the owner of pentax and tokina brands".
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I think Kenko-Tokina is using the Hoya Brand to sell filters. The filters are not part of Hoya Corporation anymore. It is a 3.3 km walk from Hoya's headqaurters to Kenko-Tokina. It is likely they belong to the same Keiretsu.

https://www.google.nl/maps/dir/%EF%BC%A8%EF%BC%AF%EF%BC%B9%EF%BC%A1%EF%BC%88...7428!3e2?hl=nl

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QuoteOriginally posted by Tom S. Quote
While the price may be similar, I doubt the average Canadian's wages have kept parity with the US dollar, so the bottom line is it still costs more.
I absolutely understand that for a while there was an advantage buying from the US.

But that is not considering all aspects of the deal. A subject for another thread, another forum, another time. ;-)
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You said that FA31 and FA77 are discontinued. The official information says that it's not true
It's all rumors. No one really knows. If you want one, buy one - don't try to war-game the system. US prices are pretty good right now.
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A lot of these same lenses in question were also the ones that Samsung rebranded (D-Xenon or D-Xenogon) for their K10D & K20D clones... don't know that it really means anything one way or the other (as they also rebranded the FA 35mm f2 and that is a known Pentax design... example of one here on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_itemId=322018452633&_nkw=Samsung+Schneide...75.m4099.l9146 .)

Point is, I've used most of those lenses and I've used the new 24-70mm f2.8 (on a K-3II) and been more than happy with the results. As has been discussed plenty, just because a lens isn't 100% Pentax (if that can really even be defined at this point) doesn't make it less quality in any way. In fact, I would argue with what Pentax has on the line at this point, I would imagine they are even more hypersensitive to quality and quality control so it seems like a lot of worrying for nothing.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
I think Kenko-Tokina is using the Hoya Brand to sell filters. The filters are not part of Hoya Corporation anymore. It is a 3.3 km walk from Hoya's headqaurters to Kenko-Tokina. It is likely they belong to the same Keiretsu.
I don't believe Kenko and Hoya filters are using the same materials or production line. The reason I say this - in the past 2 years I've had three Kenko UV filters that affected captured images in the same way (adding feint but noticeable diagonal lines in bokeh areas). Conversely, after testing a number of other UV filters from Tiffen, Hoya, Kood and several lesser brands, I've found Hoya HMC to be consistently good performers; not ONE of them has shown any image degradation at 1:1 magnification. Whilst hardly a scientific or conclusive test, I can only surmise that Kenko and Hoya filters are not equivalent...

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Did Hoya ever own Tokina?
Kenko-Tokina is a private company that is owned by the same people who sit on the board of directors of Hoya. If you look at the list of board members you see they have many of the same members and or relatives. Hoya never owned Kenko-Tokina, but the people who own/control Hoya also own Kenko-Tokina.
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QuoteOriginally posted by BigMackCam Quote
I don't believe Kenko and Hoya filters are using the same materials or production line. The reason I say this - in the past 2 years I've had three Kenko UV filters that affected captured images in the same way (adding feint but noticeable diagonal lines in bokeh areas). Conversely, after testing a number of other UV filters from Tiffen, Hoya, Kood and several lesser brands, I've found Hoya HMC to be consistently good performers; not ONE of them has shown any image degradation at 1:1 magnification. Whilst hardly a scientific or conclusive test, I can only surmise that Kenko and Hoya filters are not equivalent...
Not what I am saying. They could very well be selling different filters under different names.
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So the K-1 is on B&H for $1796.95USD, and the Nikon D750 on B&H is $1996.95USD.

Then in Australia the Pentax K-1 has started out at $3188AUD, next to the Nikon D810 retail price of $3191AUD.

Then Pentax/Ricoh Australia dropped the price to $2899AUD, and the Nikon D750 retails for $2297AUD in Australia.

Can someone explain why a Pentax K-1 is cheaper than a Nikon D750 in the US, but in Australia the K-1 is $602 more expensive than a Nikon D750.

Please don't answer by implying that I'm poor and can't afford one, or there's the pre-order price versus the retail price yadda yadda yadda. Or the US market is the premier market with millions of people in it, the Euro zone is similar in size, and the Asian market might be too.

(Its not a trick question, what I think is the answer will be written below)

I actually had no interest in getting a K-1, and have been really happy with my K-3. When I saw the US price I was expecting something similar here in Australia, and I thought maybe I'll give it a go. But no, they jacked up the price into the clouds here in Australia.

Its funny how everyone was ticked off how Pentax never released a full frame camera etc etc. They were ticked off how they haven't got an upgrade path, and some of them were really outraged at that, and shook their fists at Pentax.

The full frame is here, and I might be one of the first to be shaking my fist at Pentax Australia. I mean really, I never thought I'd use this expression, but Pentax is really doomed here in Australia. At least Pentax USA has given customers a real good incentive to buy a K-1 over a D750, and Pentax might gain a real foot hold in the US. But in Australia, there's no chance ....... the cameras are gone from the shelves, and most camera stores can't even be bothered to stock Pentax.

The only piece of advertising I've seen from Pentax was an infotainment commercial for the Pentax K-50 a few weeks ago. I sat there and watched the whole half hour of it for fun. I was actually excited to see Pentax advertised on TV ! I'm guessing that CRK was over-stocked on K- 50's, (I think they sold 3 during the commercial). Normally Nikon does the infotainment on that channel.

The question again: Why is the K-1 $602AUD more expensive than a Nikon D750 in Australia, while in the US, the K-1 is cheaper than a Nikon D750 ?

(Answer = Rip-off)

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K-1 is 200 (AUD400) more expensive than D750 in the UK. All markets are different and there's not a lot any of us can do about it really... and K-1 is new but D750 isn't so the difference in UK and Oz will narrow in time, perhaps even reverse.
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QuoteOriginally posted by zoolander Quote
So the K-1 is on B&H for $1796.95USD, and the Nikon D750 on B&H is $1996.95USD.

Then in Australia the Pentax K-1 has started out at $3188AUD, next to the Nikon D810 retail price of $3191AUD.

Then Pentax/Ricoh Australia dropped the price to $2899AUD, and the Nikon D750 retails for $2297AUD in Australia.

Can someone explain why a Pentax K-1 is cheaper than a Nikon D750 in the US, but in Australia the K-1 is $602 more expensive than a Nikon D750.

Please don't answer by implying that I'm poor and can't afford one, or there's the pre-order price versus the retail price yadda yadda yadda. Or the US market is the premier market with millions of people in it, the Euro zone is similar in size, and the Asian market might be too.

(Its not a trick question, what I think is the answer will be written below)

I actually had no interest in getting a K-1, and have been really happy with my K-3. When I saw the US price I was expecting something similar here in Australia, and I thought maybe I'll give it a go. But no, they jacked up the price into the clouds here in Australia.

Its funny how everyone was ticked off how Pentax never released a full frame camera etc etc. They were ticked off how they haven't got an upgrade path, and some of them were really outraged at that, and shook their fists at Pentax.

The full frame is here, and I might be one of the first to be shaking my fist at Pentax Australia. I mean really, I never thought I'd use this expression, but Pentax is really doomed here in Australia. At least Pentax USA has given customers a real good incentive to buy a K-1 over a D750, and Pentax might gain a real foot hold in the US. But in Australia, there's no chance ....... the cameras are gone from the shelves, and most camera stores can't even be bothered to stock Pentax.

The only piece of advertising I've seen from Pentax was an infotainment commercial for the Pentax K-50 a few weeks ago. I sat there and watched the whole half hour of it for fun. I was actually excited to see Pentax advertised on TV ! I'm guessing that CRK was over-stocked on K- 50's, (I think they sold 3 during the commercial). Normally Nikon does the infotainment on that channel.

The question again: Why is the K-1 $602AUD more expensive than a Nikon D750 in Australia, while in the US, the K-1 is cheaper than a Nikon D750 ?

(Answer = Rip-off)

Pentax is Doomed ! (now I'M one of those "Pentax is doomed" caption writers)
That is easy zoolander. The nikon stock in australia would have been shipped and priced before the bottom dropped out of the Aussie dollar. Aussies are simply getting better value on anything imported before the dollar fell.
Price of K1 is fair, $1796/0.71c plus 10% GST = $2782. $100 difference to US before shipping and including local warranty. Same price as US seems fair to me.
Aussies are getting D750 for equivalent of US$1490, so it would be the US Nikon consumers being ripped off if it wasn't for the currency changes mentioned above.

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It is not start selling, but K-1 already no. 8. I think the pre-order is really high: http://kakaku.com/camera/digital-slr-camera/ranking_0049/
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QuoteOriginally posted by zoolander Quote
So the K-1 is on B&H for $1796.95USD, and the Nikon D750 on B&H is $1996.95USD.

Then in Australia the Pentax K-1 has started out at $3188AUD, next to the Nikon D810 retail price of $3191AUD.

Then Pentax/Ricoh Australia dropped the price to $2899AUD, and the Nikon D750 retails for $2297AUD in Australia....
....
IMO, the answer is simple: the K-1 hasn't even hit shelves yet, and the D750 has been out for what, over a year and a half?

The stock and pace of shelf-flying-off is a known situation for the D750, so that price has stabilized at whatever the market dictates.

The K-1 hasn't even begun selling yet, or shipping. So who knows, maybe it was so popular in AUS that immediate pre-orders were through the roof, or at least sufficient to consume an entire first shipment, in which case, they can get away with waiting 6-12 months before dropping the price further.

So, if you want a K-1 but are simply miffed by the fact that it currently costs more than a D750, ...wait six months?
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