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03-03-2016, 10:20 AM   #721
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
Nice. K-1 visits Turkey.

But bad news for 645Z sales.
my thoughts exactly!

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The title made me laugh. They are honest at least. But that can also be a clue for a 645Z successor. More people then me daydreamed about a 645Z successor when Phase One launched its latest creation with 100 Mp on a record large CMOS sensor.

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Well, an interesting yet unmatched way of being "transparent" (someone would say naive) marketing's wise.
I sincerely hope Ricoh will form now on really push their medium format POTENTIAL advantage : bigger sensors, really fast lenses, T/S and Leaf Shutter....
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Well, an interesting yet unmatched way of being "transparent" (someone would say naive) marketing's wise.
I sincerely hope Ricoh will form now on really push their medium format POTENTIAL advantage : bigger sensors, really fast lenses, T/S and Leaf Shutter....
Why do you list "leaf shutter" as an advantage?

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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
Why do you list "leaf shutter" as an advantage?
High speed flash sync would be my guess.
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Exactly.
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High speed flash sync would be my guess.
Swapping one limitation for a bunch of others, isn't it?
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
But bad news for 645Z sales.
They need to move to FF 645 ASAP
Of the current lenses, isn't it just the monster WA zoom that's crop only?

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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
Swapping one limitation for a bunch of others, isn't it?
Which other limitations ?
Just have a look onto others MF manufacturers catalogues....
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Which other limitations ?
Just have a look onto others MF manufacturers catalogues....
Aren't they limited to just 1/1600s or so? And limited in how wide their aperture can be?
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
They need to move to FF 645 ASAP
There now is a 100mp 645 FF cmos sensor(co-developed with Sony) in the phase one XF 100MP which costs $50000,- (a lens included ). Pentax will do that once these sensors can be put in a sub $10000 system.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
But bad news for 645Z sales.
QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
They need to move to FF 645 ASAP
My though too. And let the 645Z sensor pass on to the K-1 replacement, for those occasions the image circle is larger then FF. That actually happens quite often. The image circle varies with focal length, aperture and focus distance and its always the worst case combination of those factors that defines the lenses official max image circle. So if I can have a camera that in worst case only give me good FF images, and in other cases a varying degree of medium format, with K mount lenses, I would be very happy.

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There now is a 100mp 645 FF cmos sensor(co-developed with Sony) in the phase one XF 100MP which costs $50000,- (a lens included ). Pentax will do that once these sensors can be put in a sub $10000 system.
The $40000 Phase one camera with the same sensor as 645Z show us that its not the sensor cost that dominates their prices. Using relative pricing as an indicator I think a full frame replacement for 645Z or addition to 645Z would add somewhere between $2000 and $6000.
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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
Aren't they limited to just 1/1600s or so? And limited in how wide their aperture can be?
Yes, but we wouldn't need many of these.
At least one for portraits.
Same with Tilt shift : something like 30 mm f/4.5 would be fine...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Yes, but we wouldn't need many of these.
At least one for portraits.
Same with Tilt shift : something like 30 mm f/4.5 would be fine...
Yes, I agree with you now, what can offering a couple of specialty lenses for a premium product hurt?
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Why is this bad for the 645Z? There have been full frame alternatives to the medium format for a while now, and the reasons to use the 645Z are still there. Nothing has changed except now there is a Pentax full frame available instead of having to go to Nikon or Sony.

What he is saying is that a Pentax shooter has a viable alternative to the 645Z for high IQ shooting.

The 645Z at $8k with $5k lenses is a pretty narrow niche. Someone in that market isn't looking to save a bit of money. Except in the comparison to the other MF stuff which is $20K+.

Does BMW lose sales of it's high end cars when they make their less expensive ones really nice? I suspect it is the opposite. The infrastructure to support the K1 geared to professionals will increase the 645Z value proposition, not decrease it.
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