Pentax K-1 Officially Announced

biz-engineer · 03-17-2016, 12:39 PM

Over here, K-1 is priced 2200 Euros, roughtly 400 euros above the price announced in the USA. The D750 (also here) is priced 1800 Euro, which actually makes the K-1 not as competitive as it seemed to be in the product press release. I initially thought that the K-1 would be very attractive. But I don't know if Nikon dropped their prices, currently, the D750 is one of the best offering overhere.

zeitlos · 03-17-2016, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by bxf

Maximizing profit and taking advantage of an error is not the same thing. You, as a buyer, can shop around and attempt to reduce your cost.

I am not even saying that I wouldn't try to take advantage of an unusually low price, but I certainly would not force a reasonable merchant to fight me in order to correct the error.

Nor me.

D1N0 · 03-17-2016, 12:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Over here, K-1 is priced 2200 Euros, roughtly 400 euros above the price announced in the USA. The D750 (also here) is priced 1800 Euro, which actually makes the K-1 not as competitive as it seemed to be in the product press release. I initially thought that the K-1 would be very attractive. But I don't know if Nikon dropped their prices, currently, the D750 is one of the best offering overhere.

You are from Austria? You can buy the K-1 for it's introduction price of €1999,-

http://www.idealo.at/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4965481_-k-1-body-pentax.html

The D750 is cheaper ( http://www.idealo.at/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4583512_-d750-body-nikon.html ) but it was introduced for about €2400 if I remember right. The K-1 is a better specced camera. IMHO it is very competitive. Why do people always compare introduction prices to street prices? I cannot speculate on that because that would result in several insulting assumptions.

biz-engineer · 03-17-2016, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

You are from Austria? You can buy the K-1 for it's introduction price of €1999,- http://www.idealo.at/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4965481_-k-1-body-pentax.html The D750 is cheaper ( http://www.idealo.at/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4583512_-d750-body-nikon.html ) but it was introduced for about €2400 if I remember right. The K-1 is a better specced camera. IMHO it is very competitive. Why do people always compare introduction prices to street prices? I cannot speculate on that because that would result in several insulting assumptions.

Yes, that's it, and I did not check the prices recently.

**clackers** · 03-17-2016, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Over here, K-1 is priced 2200 Euros, roughtly 400 euros above the price announced in the USA. The D750 (also here) is priced 1800 Euro,

The K-1 is a 36Mp camera, the D750 is only 24Mp.

**monochrome** · 03-17-2016, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by clackers

The K-1 is a 36Mp camera, the D750 is only 24Mp.

But the K-1 is not a D810 competitor, don'cha know.

/sarc

Nicolas06 · 03-17-2016, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by bxf

Maximizing profit and taking advantage of an error is not the same thing. You, as a buyer, can shop around and attempt to reduce your cost.

Some way of maximizing profit are ethical. For example you provide more for your client at a cheap price so everybody buy from you, you get economy of scale, everybody happy.

Another way is to increase productivity and share the benefit on both side.

If you truely have different products that you can make easily that respond to different need same from the same machines and technology, you also have a nice way to ethically improve profit by serving more people. If also you provide a high end version that provide feature necessary to some people and that cost you more, it seems logical to ask for more...

Now playing on the notion of branding so you can ask more for the same product, or making a more expensive version of the extact same thing (K50 vs K30) and asking significantly more for it because it is newer, I don't find it that nice. Asking more for the exact same razor because it is advertized for womens instead of men and seeing that the bigger the shop, the more distance the 2 products can be, the bigger the price difference is because people are less likely to figure it out, I don't find it fair.... Asking more per kg for the familly pack than for the price at unit because people have a bias of thinking the familly pack that can save on wrapping will be cheaper is not ethical neither. The typical strategy to have appealing price for a few products that you know from behavioral studies people will tend to check price but asking for very high price for things people don't think to check, that's not ethical.

This is trying to deceive your clients, hoping they'll make the error to not check the price per kilogram, that they'll make the error to take the product "designed" for their gender, that they'll make the error to assume the newer K50 camera is better than the K30, induce them in error with marketing that the expensive clothes are better than the cheap one while in practice this is the same... That trying to deceive their brain to see when they don't remember that you are trying to deceive as most as you can and they should check every single bit of thing they buy from you extensively...

This is funny how we find ethical to abuse people that are not smart enough, that are not methodic enough, that are too trustfull, that are simply tired at that moment how this doesn't count... But if a merchant make an error when putting a price then benefiting of it is not ethical.

Last edited by Nicolas06; 03-17-2016 at 02:13 PM.

Zygonyx · 03-17-2016, 01:56 PM

Business is business.
Don't mix with moral considerations.
Political, why not... oh wait, that even rarely makes sense.

Nicolas06 · 03-17-2016, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Business is business.
Don't mix with moral considerations.
Political, why not... oh wait, that even rarely makes sense.

Then let's consider a client buying something as doing business too

Nicolas06 · 03-17-2016, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by clackers

The K-1 is a 36Mp camera, the D750 is only 24Mp.

I love that segmentation... All theses camera are competitors, even between different sensor format (APSC vs FF etc). That artificial wall we put as market segmentation and marketers love how they can play with that

D750 vs D610 vs K-1 vs D810 vs Canon 6D vs 5DmarkIII vs 5Ds and a few other they are all in competition, they are the same product. All take photo, all share the same basic concepts and features and would give similar results in most cases. Even an APSC camera like K3/K3-II/D7200 or D500... they are in the same pack.

Then the manufacturer try to put have unique selling point, features that distinguish themselves like pixel shift, SR, fancy AF, lot of pixels, low price, great high iso performance or even astro tracer as reasons to go for one model or another.

Saying that the camera that cost 2200€ is not worth the difference vs the one at 1800€ is putting more weight on the assets of the 1800€ camera (among other things price) than the one at 2200€ (for example 36MP, pixelshift, astrotracer or SR). And that's perfectly fine. Everybody has different set of priorities.

Other than that if you are already invested in Pentax or if you don't have to buy the day it is out, I don't really see the issue, the price don't look bad by any means and I am sure you'll find it cheaper than that if you look a bit.

rlatjsrud · 03-17-2016, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

But the K-1 is not a D810 competitor, don'cha know.

/sarc

But the spec of K-1 is way better and cheaper than D810

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/169-pentax-full-frame/314375-spec-compari...non-nikon.html

**monochrome** · 03-17-2016, 04:10 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rlatjsrud

But the spec of K-1 is way better and cheaper than D810

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/169-pentax-full-frame/314375-spec-compari...non-nikon.html

Yes, I saw the Pentaxeros spreadsheet some weeks ago.

There's a poster here who insists the K-1 competes with the D750, then says the K-1 is overpriced (a Strawman argument). The poster just won't accept the K-1 is Pentax's answer to the D810.

**MJSfoto1956** · 03-17-2016, 04:51 PM

The primary audience for the K-1 are crop-sensor Pentatians who have been waiting forever for such a camera, no matter its specs or price point. The secondary group are those CaNikon users who are not yet invested in CaNikon FF due to price/features headwinds. A portion of these may jump ship as they are not truly invested in the CaNikon ecosystem (e.g. D5000 owner with two kit lenses). The third group is more nuanced: those who, no matter what gear they currently own, are truly excited about the features/pricepoint that the K-1 offers. The 36Mp is important for this group. Also key for this group is the availability of a rich system of compatible accessories from lenses to flashes to adapters and more. Therein lies the rub: the Pentax ecosystem is not as rich compared to CaNikon or even Sony. There are other marketing segments as well. Notwithstanding, the K-1 is deliberately designed to address a wide range of markets. I "think" they got it mostly right. Can't wait to try one out.

Michael

Yassarian · 03-17-2016, 04:52 PM

I think of course K-1 is a competitor to the D810. Having used the D810 and the D750 alongside my k-5 and a borrowed k-3, unless Pentax suddenly figured out how to track focus quickly and accurately both Nikons will blow Pentax out of the water, if that's something you care about...

Nikon has some really expensive optics to complement the D810's resolution. I hope my collection of old Pentax Primes will be sufficient for the K-1 when I eventually get it.

virusn3t · 03-17-2016, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Yes, I saw the Pentaxeros spreadsheet some weeks ago.

There's a poster here who insists the K-1 competes with the D750, then says the K-1 is overpriced (a Strawman argument). The poster just won't accept the K-1 is Pentax's answer to the D810.

I believe the K1 competes against the D750 market, dont know the actual sales but i believe most D750 are being sold tha D810, the Spec sheet is likely on level or above the D810 (except Af, that is to be determined but im go Nikon)... The K1 price is for me aimed to the people who want a FF, all around camera and affordable; and dont have to many invest on other sistem and the current Pentax user base, and in that area the D750 works for the same reason to Canon and Pentax user....

03-17-2016, 02:00 PM	#879
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by Zygonyx Business is business. Don't mix with moral considerations. Political, why not... oh wait, that even rarely makes sense. Then let's consider a client buying something as doing business too Last edited by Nicolas06; 03-17-2016 at 02:10 PM.

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03-17-2016, 12:39 PM	#871
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,237	Over here, K-1 is priced 2200 Euros, roughtly 400 euros above the price announced in the USA. The D750 (also here) is priced 1800 Euro, which actually makes the K-1 not as competitive as it seemed to be in the product press release. I initially thought that the K-1 would be very attractive. But I don't know if Nikon dropped their prices, currently, the D750 is one of the best offering overhere.

03-17-2016, 12:42 PM	#872
zeitlos Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In the middle of Bavaria - Germany Posts: 282	Originally posted by bxf Maximizing profit and taking advantage of an error is not the same thing. You, as a buyer, can shop around and attempt to reduce your cost. I am not even saying that I wouldn't try to take advantage of an unusually low price, but I certainly would not force a reasonable merchant to fight me in order to correct the error. Nor me.

03-17-2016, 12:58 PM - 1 Like	#873
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by biz-engineer Over here, K-1 is priced 2200 Euros, roughtly 400 euros above the price announced in the USA. The D750 (also here) is priced 1800 Euro, which actually makes the K-1 not as competitive as it seemed to be in the product press release. I initially thought that the K-1 would be very attractive. But I don't know if Nikon dropped their prices, currently, the D750 is one of the best offering overhere. You are from Austria? You can buy the K-1 for it's introduction price of €1999,- http://www.idealo.at/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4965481_-k-1-body-pentax.html The D750 is cheaper ( http://www.idealo.at/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4583512_-d750-body-nikon.html ) but it was introduced for about €2400 if I remember right. The K-1 is a better specced camera. IMHO it is very competitive. Why do people always compare introduction prices to street prices? I cannot speculate on that because that would result in several insulting assumptions.

03-17-2016, 01:01 PM	#874
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,237	Originally posted by D1N0 You are from Austria? You can buy the K-1 for it's introduction price of €1999,- http://www.idealo.at/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4965481_-k-1-body-pentax.html The D750 is cheaper ( http://www.idealo.at/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4583512_-d750-body-nikon.html ) but it was introduced for about €2400 if I remember right. The K-1 is a better specced camera. IMHO it is very competitive. Why do people always compare introduction prices to street prices? I cannot speculate on that because that would result in several insulting assumptions. Yes, that's it, and I did not check the prices recently.

03-17-2016, 01:17 PM	#875
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by biz-engineer Over here, K-1 is priced 2200 Euros, roughtly 400 euros above the price announced in the USA. The D750 (also here) is priced 1800 Euro, The K-1 is a 36Mp camera, the D750 is only 24Mp.

03-17-2016, 01:31 PM	#876
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by clackers The K-1 is a 36Mp camera, the D750 is only 24Mp. But the K-1 is not a D810 competitor, don'cha know. /sarc

03-17-2016, 01:46 PM	#877
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by bxf Maximizing profit and taking advantage of an error is not the same thing. You, as a buyer, can shop around and attempt to reduce your cost. Some way of maximizing profit are ethical. For example you provide more for your client at a cheap price so everybody buy from you, you get economy of scale, everybody happy. Another way is to increase productivity and share the benefit on both side. If you truely have different products that you can make easily that respond to different need same from the same machines and technology, you also have a nice way to ethically improve profit by serving more people. If also you provide a high end version that provide feature necessary to some people and that cost you more, it seems logical to ask for more... Now playing on the notion of branding so you can ask more for the same product, or making a more expensive version of the extact same thing (K50 vs K30) and asking significantly more for it because it is newer, I don't find it that nice. Asking more for the exact same razor because it is advertized for womens instead of men and seeing that the bigger the shop, the more distance the 2 products can be, the bigger the price difference is because people are less likely to figure it out, I don't find it fair.... Asking more per kg for the familly pack than for the price at unit because people have a bias of thinking the familly pack that can save on wrapping will be cheaper is not ethical neither. The typical strategy to have appealing price for a few products that you know from behavioral studies people will tend to check price but asking for very high price for things people don't think to check, that's not ethical. This is trying to deceive your clients, hoping they'll make the error to not check the price per kilogram, that they'll make the error to take the product "designed" for their gender, that they'll make the error to assume the newer K50 camera is better than the K30, induce them in error with marketing that the expensive clothes are better than the cheap one while in practice this is the same... That trying to deceive their brain to see when they don't remember that you are trying to deceive as most as you can and they should check every single bit of thing they buy from you extensively... This is funny how we find ethical to abuse people that are not smart enough, that are not methodic enough, that are too trustfull, that are simply tired at that moment how this doesn't count... But if a merchant make an error when putting a price then benefiting of it is not ethical. Last edited by Nicolas06; 03-17-2016 at 02:13 PM.

03-17-2016, 01:56 PM	#878
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Business is business. Don't mix with moral considerations. Political, why not... oh wait, that even rarely makes sense.

03-17-2016, 02:27 PM	#880
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by clackers The K-1 is a 36Mp camera, the D750 is only 24Mp. I love that segmentation... All theses camera are competitors, even between different sensor format (APSC vs FF etc). That artificial wall we put as market segmentation and marketers love how they can play with that D750 vs D610 vs K-1 vs D810 vs Canon 6D vs 5DmarkIII vs 5Ds and a few other they are all in competition, they are the same product. All take photo, all share the same basic concepts and features and would give similar results in most cases. Even an APSC camera like K3/K3-II/D7200 or D500... they are in the same pack. Then the manufacturer try to put have unique selling point, features that distinguish themselves like pixel shift, SR, fancy AF, lot of pixels, low price, great high iso performance or even astro tracer as reasons to go for one model or another. Saying that the camera that cost 2200€ is not worth the difference vs the one at 1800€ is putting more weight on the assets of the 1800€ camera (among other things price) than the one at 2200€ (for example 36MP, pixelshift, astrotracer or SR). And that's perfectly fine. Everybody has different set of priorities. Other than that if you are already invested in Pentax or if you don't have to buy the day it is out, I don't really see the issue, the price don't look bad by any means and I am sure you'll find it cheaper than that if you look a bit.

03-17-2016, 03:41 PM	#881
rlatjsrud Guest	Originally posted by monochrome But the K-1 is not a D810 competitor, don'cha know. /sarc But the spec of K-1 is way better and cheaper than D810 https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/169-pentax-full-frame/314375-spec-compari...non-nikon.html

03-17-2016, 04:10 PM - 1 Like	#882
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by rlatjsrud But the spec of K-1 is way better and cheaper than D810 https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/169-pentax-full-frame/314375-spec-compari...non-nikon.html Yes, I saw the Pentaxeros spreadsheet some weeks ago. There's a poster here who insists the K-1 competes with the D750, then says the K-1 is overpriced (a Strawman argument). The poster just won't accept the K-1 is Pentax's answer to the D810.

03-17-2016, 04:51 PM	#883
MJSfoto1956 Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Boston Posts: 1,305	The primary audience for the K-1 are crop-sensor Pentatians who have been waiting forever for such a camera, no matter its specs or price point. The secondary group are those CaNikon users who are not yet invested in CaNikon FF due to price/features headwinds. A portion of these may jump ship as they are not truly invested in the CaNikon ecosystem (e.g. D5000 owner with two kit lenses). The third group is more nuanced: those who, no matter what gear they currently own, are truly excited about the features/pricepoint that the K-1 offers. The 36Mp is important for this group. Also key for this group is the availability of a rich system of compatible accessories from lenses to flashes to adapters and more. Therein lies the rub: the Pentax ecosystem is not as rich compared to CaNikon or even Sony. There are other marketing segments as well. Notwithstanding, the K-1 is deliberately designed to address a wide range of markets. I "think" they got it mostly right. Can't wait to try one out. Michael

03-17-2016, 04:52 PM	#884
Yassarian Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 72	I think of course K-1 is a competitor to the D810. Having used the D810 and the D750 alongside my k-5 and a borrowed k-3, unless Pentax suddenly figured out how to track focus quickly and accurately both Nikons will blow Pentax out of the water, if that's something you care about... Nikon has some really expensive optics to complement the D810's resolution. I hope my collection of old Pentax Primes will be sufficient for the K-1 when I eventually get it.

03-17-2016, 05:14 PM	#885
virusn3t Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 676	Originally posted by monochrome Yes, I saw the Pentaxeros spreadsheet some weeks ago. There's a poster here who insists the K-1 competes with the D750, then says the K-1 is overpriced (a Strawman argument). The poster just won't accept the K-1 is Pentax's answer to the D810. I believe the K1 competes against the D750 market, dont know the actual sales but i believe most D750 are being sold tha D810, the Spec sheet is likely on level or above the D810 (except Af, that is to be determined but im go Nikon)... The K1 price is for me aimed to the people who want a FF, all around camera and affordable; and dont have to many invest on other sistem and the current Pentax user base, and in that area the D750 works for the same reason to Canon and Pentax user....