Pentax K-1 Officially Announced

**BigMackCam** · 02-18-2016, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Agreed, just couldn't help in respect of today's surrealistic news on that front...

Understood. It's an emotive subject for everyone concerned.

ChristianRock · 02-18-2016, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

$1,800 x 0.7 = £1,260

VAT @ 20% = £252

£1,260 + £252 = £1,512 ... almost bang on the UK release price of £1,600...

Bear in mind that the published US price doesn't include sales tax whereas our UK price includes VAT...

I think the K-1 has been very fairly priced for the UK market, actually

Most of us in the US - anyone who doesn't live in New York - gets to order through BHPhoto and not pay any sales tax - or shipping. So that $1796 is the actual price we pay (well they, I haven't ordered one :P)
And if you live in New York there's sellers from other states you can buy from.

CarlH · 02-18-2016, 02:15 PM

My point was here in the UK our government takes a good cut from the sale of anything, to the point that I personally rarely buy new camera equipment.

**BigMackCam** · 02-18-2016, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by CarlH

My point was here in the UK our government takes a good cut from the sale of anything, to the point that I personally rarely buy new camera equipment.

It's a fair point, however...

As I'm sure you know, VAT in the UK goes into the same pot as all other taxes - these days, there is no differentiation between income tax, National Insurance, VAT, etc. It all goes into one big pot, and is then applied to the costs of running the country and providing all of our publicly-funded services (so, the money you and I pay in road fund tax doesn't necessarily get spent on our roads). If our government didn't impose VAT, that would result in a huge deficit of funds for public spending, and they'd have to tax something else more heavily to make up that deficit. The US has equally brutal taxation in other ways (perhaps on a state by state basis - I'm not entirely sure)... one example being property taxes, which - as I recall hearing about from my teams in the US during my banking and broking days - are (or were) considerably worse than ours in the UK. My point here is that, one way or another, governments - and countries - need money to function - and while the sources may vary proportionally, the average impact on an individual is probably not wildly different...

All of that said, you make a good point about buying used rather than new. It makes very good sense if you're happy to do it. I should do it more often, frankly.

Zygonyx · 02-18-2016, 02:43 PM

+1
Which doesn't make seller's business either

Penumbra · 02-18-2016, 02:47 PM - **1 Like**

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**BigMackCam** · 02-18-2016, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

Most of us in the US - anyone who doesn't live in New York - gets to order through BHPhoto and not pay any sales tax - or shipping. So that $1796 is the actual price we pay (well they, I haven't ordered one :P)
And if you live in New York there's sellers from other states you can buy from.

Look, you're spoiling my justification here!...

**stubyles** · 02-18-2016, 03:51 PM - **1 Like**

How about:
K-1 in USA = $1800 (£1200)
Return Flight to Boston = £360
Total = £1560

K-1 in UK = £1600

Leaving £40 to spend on a Harbour Tour to try out your new K-1.

Wired · 02-18-2016, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by reh321

I don't miss the CF card at all! They are much harder to find locally if I need a new card right now, and I did ruin a camera once when apparently I didn't get the CF card quite straight when I pushed it in. I'm much happier with the SD, including the fact that every working digital camera I have now uses them.

---------- Post added 02-18-16 at 03:28 PM ----------

I don't have experience with WiFi on a camera, so I haven't developed an opinion about that yet, but I do like my phone's backing-up any pictures I've taken using it as I enter our house. I also have come to like flippy screens ... my brother has demonstrated how one can be relatively inconspicuous taking pictures, avoiding having people in the scene suddenly act differently because they see a serious camera being used to take pictures.

different strokes for different folks I say. I personally hate SD cards. they split apart on me, even the Sandsic ones. The CF's I've never had a problem with... even if I accidentally send one through the washer and dryer!

The Wifi thing is great. I have it on my Fuji X-T1 and its the best thing since sliced bread. Countless times I'm beaming an image to my phone to send to a client right away as a preview. Then there is the wifi tethering which is just a joy to use!

---------- Post added 02-18-2016 at 03:55 PM ----------

Originally posted by aleonx3

I understand some folks still like/prefer the CF cards probably because of top speed (than most SD card can); but it is usually more expensive and more prone to bent pins. I think D810 has the CF card mainly because of backward compatibility with some older models. I am glad that Pentax/Ricoh does not follow that, never has and probably never will.

CF's are about the same price and just as easily found locally for me vs SD Cards. In fact I can usually find a 32 or 64gb Sandisc Extreme CF before an SD. The CF's in 64gb flavor often go on sale 2 for 1, so $120 for a pair of 64gb is awesome. I've never seen that sale on the SD cards.

I've also never had a bent pin. But I've had many SD card casings start coming apart where the contact separators are. really annoying.

**BigMackCam** · 02-18-2016, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by stubyles

How about:
K-1 in USA = $1800 (£1200)
Return Flight to Boston = £360
Total = £1560

K-1 in UK = £1600

Leaving £40 to spend on a Harbour Tour to try out your new K-1.

That's flying economy, right?

**stubyles** · 02-18-2016, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

That's flying economy, right?

That's flying with a grin of anticipation one way and a smile of satisfaction the other way.

---------- Post added 02-18-16 at 11:09 PM ----------

Originally posted by dcshooter

Getting cavity searched at customs when you "forget" to declare your new expensive toy = priceless

Making it an even more memorable trip!

mee · 02-18-2016, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by stubyles

Making it an even more memorable trip!

That's not really a memory you want to have..

**BigMackCam** · 02-18-2016, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by stubyles

That's flying with a grin of anticipation one way and a smile of satisfaction the other way.[

Good point. But both grin & smile can be tempered by lack of a decent in-flight meal and poor wine choice

**stubyles** · 02-18-2016, 04:13 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mee

That's not really a memory you want to have..

Bitter Personal Experience?

Dave L · 02-18-2016, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by stubyles

How about:
K-1 in USA = $1800 (£1200)
Return Flight to Boston = £360
Total = £1560

K-1 in UK = £1600

Leaving £40 to spend on a Harbour Tour to try out your new K-1.

"Have you anything to declare?"
"Umm.... yes my new Pentax K-1"
"That'll be £251.95 Sir, thank you kindly!"

Loss on deal = £210. Not so clever after all... unless you love Boston and take a proper break there... now there's an idea!

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02-18-2016, 01:41 PM	#301
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by Zygonyx Agreed, just couldn't help in respect of today's surrealistic news on that front... Understood. It's an emotive subject for everyone concerned.

02-18-2016, 01:55 PM	#302
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by BigMackCam $1,800 x 0.7 = £1,260 VAT @ 20% = £252 £1,260 + £252 = £1,512 ... almost bang on the UK release price of £1,600... Bear in mind that the published US price doesn't include sales tax whereas our UK price includes VAT... I think the K-1 has been very fairly priced for the UK market, actually Most of us in the US - anyone who doesn't live in New York - gets to order through BHPhoto and not pay any sales tax - or shipping. So that $1796 is the actual price we pay (well they, I haven't ordered one :P) And if you live in New York there's sellers from other states you can buy from.

02-18-2016, 02:15 PM	#303
CarlH Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Carlisle, Cumbria Posts: 58	My point was here in the UK our government takes a good cut from the sale of anything, to the point that I personally rarely buy new camera equipment.

02-18-2016, 02:31 PM	#304
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by CarlH My point was here in the UK our government takes a good cut from the sale of anything, to the point that I personally rarely buy new camera equipment. It's a fair point, however... As I'm sure you know, VAT in the UK goes into the same pot as all other taxes - these days, there is no differentiation between income tax, National Insurance, VAT, etc. It all goes into one big pot, and is then applied to the costs of running the country and providing all of our publicly-funded services (so, the money you and I pay in road fund tax doesn't necessarily get spent on our roads). If our government didn't impose VAT, that would result in a huge deficit of funds for public spending, and they'd have to tax something else more heavily to make up that deficit. The US has equally brutal taxation in other ways (perhaps on a state by state basis - I'm not entirely sure)... one example being property taxes, which - as I recall hearing about from my teams in the US during my banking and broking days - are (or were) considerably worse than ours in the UK. My point here is that, one way or another, governments - and countries - need money to function - and while the sources may vary proportionally, the average impact on an individual is probably not wildly different... All of that said, you make a good point about buying used rather than new. It makes very good sense if you're happy to do it. I should do it more often, frankly.

02-18-2016, 02:43 PM	#305
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	+1 Which doesn't make seller's business either

02-18-2016, 02:48 PM	#307
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by ChristianRock Most of us in the US - anyone who doesn't live in New York - gets to order through BHPhoto and not pay any sales tax - or shipping. So that $1796 is the actual price we pay (well they, I haven't ordered one :P) And if you live in New York there's sellers from other states you can buy from. Look, you're spoiling my justification here!...

02-18-2016, 03:51 PM - 1 Like	#308
stubyles Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 824	How about: K-1 in USA = $1800 (£1200) Return Flight to Boston = £360 Total = £1560 K-1 in UK = £1600 Leaving £40 to spend on a Harbour Tour to try out your new K-1.

02-18-2016, 03:53 PM	#309
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by reh321 I don't miss the CF card at all! They are much harder to find locally if I need a new card right now, and I did ruin a camera once when apparently I didn't get the CF card quite straight when I pushed it in. I'm much happier with the SD, including the fact that every working digital camera I have now uses them. ---------- Post added 02-18-16 at 03:28 PM ---------- I don't have experience with WiFi on a camera, so I haven't developed an opinion about that yet, but I do like my phone's backing-up any pictures I've taken using it as I enter our house. I also have come to like flippy screens ... my brother has demonstrated how one can be relatively inconspicuous taking pictures, avoiding having people in the scene suddenly act differently because they see a serious camera being used to take pictures. different strokes for different folks I say. I personally hate SD cards. they split apart on me, even the Sandsic ones. The CF's I've never had a problem with... even if I accidentally send one through the washer and dryer! The Wifi thing is great. I have it on my Fuji X-T1 and its the best thing since sliced bread. Countless times I'm beaming an image to my phone to send to a client right away as a preview. Then there is the wifi tethering which is just a joy to use! ---------- Post added 02-18-2016 at 03:55 PM ---------- Originally posted by aleonx3 I understand some folks still like/prefer the CF cards probably because of top speed (than most SD card can); but it is usually more expensive and more prone to bent pins. I think D810 has the CF card mainly because of backward compatibility with some older models. I am glad that Pentax/Ricoh does not follow that, never has and probably never will. CF's are about the same price and just as easily found locally for me vs SD Cards. In fact I can usually find a 32 or 64gb Sandisc Extreme CF before an SD. The CF's in 64gb flavor often go on sale 2 for 1, so $120 for a pair of 64gb is awesome. I've never seen that sale on the SD cards. I've also never had a bent pin. But I've had many SD card casings start coming apart where the contact separators are. really annoying.

02-18-2016, 03:56 PM	#310
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by stubyles How about: K-1 in USA = $1800 (£1200) *Return Flight to Boston = £360* Total = £1560 K-1 in UK = £1600 Leaving £40 to spend on a Harbour Tour to try out your new K-1. That's flying economy, right?

02-18-2016, 04:07 PM	#311
stubyles Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 824	Originally posted by BigMackCam That's flying economy, right? That's flying with a grin of anticipation one way and a smile of satisfaction the other way. ---------- Post added 02-18-16 at 11:09 PM ---------- Originally posted by dcshooter Getting cavity searched at customs when you "forget" to declare your new expensive toy = priceless Making it an even more memorable trip!

02-18-2016, 04:11 PM	#312
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by stubyles Making it an even more memorable trip! That's not really a memory you want to have..

02-18-2016, 04:12 PM	#313
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by stubyles That's flying with a grin of anticipation one way and a smile of satisfaction the other way.[ Good point. But both grin & smile can be tempered by lack of a decent in-flight meal and poor wine choice

02-18-2016, 04:13 PM - 1 Like	#314
stubyles Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 824	Originally posted by mee That's not really a memory you want to have.. Bitter Personal Experience?

02-18-2016, 04:22 PM	#315
Dave L Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 306	Originally posted by stubyles How about: K-1 in USA = $1800 (£1200) Return Flight to Boston = £360 Total = £1560 K-1 in UK = £1600 Leaving £40 to spend on a Harbour Tour to try out your new K-1. "Have you anything to declare?" "Umm.... yes my new Pentax K-1" "That'll be £251.95 Sir, thank you kindly!" Loss on deal = £210. Not so clever after all... unless you love Boston and take a proper break there... now there's an idea!