Originally posted by Rondec Even f2 isn't particularly usable in many situations. I get frustrated with the ignoring depth of field issues. I have seen a lot of good photos spoiled by too little depth of field. If you are a long way away from your subject, then probably f1.4 or 2 is usable, but even with portraits on APS-C I tend to stop down a little.
If you prefer a certain DoF in portraits, then all of the situation under will give you the same DoF
and noise levels (as in DXO print, not screen), assuming you use lenses with the same field of view and same camera-subject distance.
APS-C with f/4 ISO 400, 1/200s
FF with f/5,6 ISO 800, 1/200s
MF with f/8 ISO 1600, 1/200s
So even with the restraint of having the same DoF, you will get the same low noise levels with FF as you do with MF. The sensor size related noise difference is compensated by the aperture number.
Originally posted by Rondec Be that as it may, there are a lot of cameras out there now that are "good enough" for the average photographer and you could make similar arguments about APS-C versus full frame as you would make full frame versus medium format. But for most of us, it is a question more of (a) Can I afford it? and (b) Do I want it? I think people will be more likely to answer yes to both those questions with regard to the K-1 than with a 645Z -- particularly once you factor in lenses.
Yes, I have heard that argument about good enough for sizing down formats and lens apertures, but that is not the case here between MF and FF. As said above you get the
same noise levels with both formats (given the restraints mentioned). Its generally not the same situation between APS-C and FF because both formats usually scales to f/1,4 primes and f/2,8 zooms. The same aperture numbers. If there was many f/0,7 APS-C primes and many f/1,4 APS-C zooms the situation would be similar to the FF vs MF, but thats not the case. In other words, A selection of f/1,4 primes and f/2,8 zooms
for MF would change the situation to be similar to the APS-C vs FF situation. Today MF simply lacks those lenses. And I must add, I agree it wouldn't be much useful for portraits due to the thin DoF. Maybe that is what holds lens makers back.