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02-25-2016, 08:11 AM - 1 Like   #61
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QuoteOriginally posted by timautin Quote
BTW, speaking about super telephoto lenses, a big difference with Nikon & Canon is the stabilization: at these focal lengths, having a stabilized lens is a real plus, and it must be really more complex to build. .
Not by much. The big cost is the large front element(s).

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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
not everything is always on the roadmap
^^^ This. One of the two 'insider' posters once said there's the public roadmap and then there's the Roadmap.
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+1
Well, it was meant half humorously, but I could really use a DA 12-28 WR! It would be the perfect urban walkaround for me... That DA Wide Zoom has now been on the lensmap for years. And I thought I was buying the Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 as a stop gap measure...
02-25-2016, 08:32 AM   #64
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I've posted this list before, but I received a lens survey from Ricoh Japan late last year. When I look at the roadmap they've shown, I'm thinking back to that survey and wondering if they are items from that list. The nomenclature may be relevant to interpret what they are talking about in the roadmap.

Key
大口径 Large aperture - They are using this only for 1.4 primes
超広角 Ultra wide - They are using this for 20mm and 24mm
広角 Wide - They are using this for 28mm and 35mm
標準 Standard - They are using this for 50mm only
中望遠 Medium telephoto - They are using this for 85mm and 135mm

大口径(F1.4クラス)超広角(24mm)単焦点レンズ Large aperture ultra wide angle prime
大口径(F1.4クラス)広角(28mm)単焦点レンズ
大口径(F1.4クラス)広角(35mm)単焦点レンズ
大口径(F1.4クラス)標準(50mm)単焦点レンズ Large aperture standard prime
大口径(F1.4クラス)中望遠(85mm)単焦点レンズ Large aperture medium telephoto prime
(F1.8クラス)超広角(20mm)単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス)超広角(24mm)単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス)広角(28mm)単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime
(F1.8クラス)広角(35mm)単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime
(F1.8クラス)標準(50mm)単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス)中望遠(85mm)単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス)中望遠(135mm)単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス)望遠(200mm)単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス)望遠(300mm)単焦点レンズ
(F4クラス)望遠(300mm)単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス)望遠(400mm)単焦点レンズ
(F4クラス)望遠(400mm)単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス)標準(50mm)マクロレンズ
(F2.8クラス)標準(100mm)マクロレンズ
フィッシュアイ単焦点
大口径(F2.8クラス)広角ズーム
大口径(F2.8クラス)標準ズーム
大口径(F2.8クラス)望遠ズーム
(F4クラス)広角ズーム
(F4クラス)標準ズーム
(F4クラス)望遠ズーム
フィッシュアイズーム Fisheye zoom
(F値変動)広角ズーム
(F値変動)標準ズーム
(F値変動)望遠ズーム
(F値変動)超望遠ズーム(テレ端400mmクラス)
(F値変動)高変倍ズーム
シフト機能付きレンズ
チルト機能付きレンズ
ソフトレンズ

So my guess is we're getting a 35mm f1.8 (maybe the Tamron), a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom.

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If some (or all) of these primes will be rebadged Tamrons, I am not sure why they are waiting until "2017 or later" to release them. The time frame is a possible indicator they will not be rebadges.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JPT Quote
I've posted this list before, but I received a lens survey from Ricoh Japan late last year. When I look at the roadmap they've shown, I'm thinking back to that survey and wondering if they are items from that list. The nomenclature may be relevant to interpret what they are talking about in the roadmap.

Key
大口径 Large aperture - They are using this only for 1.4 primes
超広角 Ultra wide - They are using this for 20mm and 24mm
広角 Wide - They are using this for 28mm and 35mm
標準 Standard - They are using this for 50mm only
中望遠 Medium telephoto - They are using this for 85mm and 135mm

大口径(F1.4クラス)超広角(24mm)単焦点レンズ Large aperture ultra wide angle prime
大口径(F1.4クラス)広角(28mm)単焦点レンズ
大口径(F1.4クラス)広角(35mm)単焦点レンズ
大口径(F1.4クラス)標準(50mm)単焦点レンズ Large aperture standard prime
大口径(F1.4クラス)中望遠(85mm)単焦点レンズ Large aperture medium telephoto prime
(F1.8クラス)超広角(20mm)単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス)超広角(24mm)単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス)広角(28mm)単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime
(F1.8クラス)広角(35mm)単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime
(F1.8クラス)標準(50mm)単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス)中望遠(85mm)単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス)中望遠(135mm)単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス)望遠(200mm)単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス)望遠(300mm)単焦点レンズ
(F4クラス)望遠(300mm)単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス)望遠(400mm)単焦点レンズ
(F4クラス)望遠(400mm)単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス)標準(50mm)マクロレンズ
(F2.8クラス)標準(100mm)マクロレンズ
フィッシュアイ単焦点
大口径(F2.8クラス)広角ズーム
大口径(F2.8クラス)標準ズーム
大口径(F2.8クラス)望遠ズーム
(F4クラス)広角ズーム
(F4クラス)標準ズーム
(F4クラス)望遠ズーム
フィッシュアイズーム Fisheye zoom
(F値変動)広角ズーム
(F値変動)標準ズーム
(F値変動)望遠ズーム
(F値変動)超望遠ズーム(テレ端400mmクラス)
(F値変動)高変倍ズーム
シフト機能付きレンズ
チルト機能付きレンズ
ソフトレンズ

So my guess is we're getting a 35mm f1.8 (maybe the Tamron), a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom.
english:
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) super-wide-angle (24mm) single-focus lens Large aperture ultra wide angle prime
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) wide-angle (28mm) single-focus lens
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) wide-angle (35mm) single-focus lens
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) standard (50mm) single-focus lens Large aperture standard prime
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) medium telephoto (85mm) single-focus lens Large aperture medium telephoto prime
(F1.8 class) super-wide-angle (20mm) single-focus lens
(F1.8 class) super-wide-angle (24mm) single-focus lens
(F1.8 class) wide-angle (28mm) single-focus lens Wide angle prime
(F1.8 class) wide-angle (35mm) single-focus lens Wide angle prime
(F1.8 class) standard (50mm) single-focus lens
(F1.8 class) medium telephoto (85mm) single-focus lens
(F1.8 class) medium telephoto (135mm) single focus lens
(F2.8 class) to the telephoto (200mm) single focus lens
(F2.8 class) to the telephoto (300mm) single focus lens
(F4 class) to the telephoto (300mm) single focus lens
(F2.8 class) to the telephoto (400mm) single focus lens
(F4 class) to the telephoto (400mm) single focus lens
(F2.8 class) standard (50mm) macro lens
(F2.8 class) standard (100mm) macro lens
Fish eye single focus
Large aperture (F2.8 class) wide-angle zoom
Large aperture (F2.8 class) standard zoom
Large aperture (F2.8 class) to the telephoto zoom
(F4 class) wide-angle zoom
(F4 class) standard zoom
(F4 class) to the telephoto zoom
Fisheye zoom Fisheye zoom
(F value variation) wide-angle zoom
(F value variation) standard zoom
(F value variation) to the telephoto zoom
(F value variation) super-telephoto zoom (telephoto end 400mm class)
(F value variation) high magnification zoom
Shift function with lens
Tilt function with lens
Soft lenses

at least it is clear they mean F1.4 By large diameter.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JPT Quote
a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom.
...makes some sense.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JPT Quote
I've posted this list before, but I received a lens survey from Ricoh Japan late last year. When I look at the roadmap

So my guess is we're getting a 35mm f1.8 (maybe the Tamron), a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom.
35/1.8 is unlikely if there are FA31/1.8 and FA35/2

maybe better to produce DFA28/1.8? f2.0?

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Thanks for the translation D1N0.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Who's going to pay such prices for a Pentax lens? Please answer honestly.
A lot of the remaining Pentax customer base is essentially APSC / low budget. A lot of the guys who wanted bigger and had the money for it went to the competition. The good side of Ricoh is that the product portfolio is being renewed with new FF products, but the uncertain thing is how well it will sell simply due to the nature of the average customer base. Once some people will have purchased a K-1, they'll have to wait one or two years to align the money for another lens. Compared to APSC, everything FF is twice the price. That's unfortunate that Pentax let the big budget guys go away.
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QuoteOriginally posted by eurostar Quote
I know hundreds of Pentaxians
O_o hundreds of Pentaxians?? You mean, personally? Is there some Pentaxland hidden in Italy?!

QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
Not by much. The big cost is the large front element(s).
I have absolutely no knowledge in lens making, so, I can't say. Obviously, in-lens stabilization has a cost and a weight. In which extent, I'd love to know precisely!

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That's unfortunate that Pentax let the big budget guys go away
Yes, but OTOH the only way to make them back is to invest and wait (and hope).
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That large aperture normal will probably be a refreshed FA 50 f/1.4. But I love a bit-wider normal like the 43mm Limited.

I'd love to see a 43mm f/1.2.
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That large aperture normal will probably be a refreshed FA 50 f/1.4. But I love a bit-wider normal like the 43mm Limited.

I'd love to see a 43mm f/1.2.
The FA 50 f/1.4 is ultimately a refreshed super-takumar 50mm 1.4 (seven element). I think Pentax will get slapped for it's wide open performance. (I like the glow but people think everything should be tack sharp always nowadays). I don't think just HD coatings will solve it.
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what does "single focus" mean??
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what does "single focus" mean??
The prime. The fixed lens.
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