New lens road map

**Pål Jensen** · 02-25-2016, 08:11 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by timautin

BTW, speaking about super telephoto lenses, a big difference with Nikon & Canon is the stabilization: at these focal lengths, having a stabilized lens is a real plus, and it must be really more complex to build. .

Not by much. The big cost is the large front element(s).

**monochrome** · 02-25-2016, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

not everything is always on the roadmap

^^^ This. One of the two 'insider' posters once said there's the public roadmap and then there's the Roadmap.

Doundounba · 02-25-2016, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by ogl

+1

Well, it was meant half humorously, but I could really use a DA 12-28 WR! It would be the perfect urban walkaround for me... That DA Wide Zoom has now been on the lensmap for years. And I thought I was buying the Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 as a stop gap measure...

JPT · 02-25-2016, 08:32 AM

I've posted this list before, but I received a lens survey from Ricoh Japan late last year. When I look at the roadmap they've shown, I'm thinking back to that survey and wondering if they are items from that list. The nomenclature may be relevant to interpret what they are talking about in the roadmap.

Key
大口径 Large aperture - They are using this only for 1.4 primes
超広角 Ultra wide - They are using this for 20mm and 24mm
広角 Wide - They are using this for 28mm and 35mm
標準 Standard - They are using this for 50mm only
中望遠 Medium telephoto - They are using this for 85mm and 135mm

大口径(F1.4クラス）超広角（24ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture ultra wide angle prime
大口径(F1.4クラス）広角（28ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
大口径(F1.4クラス）広角（35ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
大口径(F1.4クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture standard prime
大口径(F1.4クラス）中望遠（85ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture medium telephoto prime
(F1.8クラス）超広角（20ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス）超広角（24ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス）広角（28ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime
(F1.8クラス）広角（35ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime
(F1.8クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス）中望遠（85ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス）中望遠（135ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス）望遠（200ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス）望遠（300ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F4クラス）望遠（300ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス）望遠（400ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F4クラス）望遠（400ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）マクロレンズ
(F2.8クラス）標準（100ｍｍ）マクロレンズ
フィッシュアイ単焦点
大口径（F2.8クラス）広角ズーム
大口径（F2.8クラス）標準ズーム
大口径（F2.8クラス）望遠ズーム
（F4クラス）広角ズーム
（F4クラス）標準ズーム
（F4クラス）望遠ズーム
フィッシュアイズーム Fisheye zoom
（F値変動）広角ズーム
（F値変動）標準ズーム
（F値変動）望遠ズーム
（F値変動）超望遠ズーム（テレ端400mmクラス）
（F値変動）高変倍ズーム
シフト機能付きレンズ
チルト機能付きレンズ
ソフトレンズ

So my guess is we're getting a 35mm f1.8 (maybe the Tamron), a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom.

rangercarp · 02-25-2016, 08:51 AM - **1 Like**

If some (or all) of these primes will be rebadged Tamrons, I am not sure why they are waiting until "2017 or later" to release them. The time frame is a possible indicator they will not be rebadges.

D1N0 · 02-25-2016, 08:54 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by JPT

I've posted this list before, but I received a lens survey from Ricoh Japan late last year. When I look at the roadmap they've shown, I'm thinking back to that survey and wondering if they are items from that list. The nomenclature may be relevant to interpret what they are talking about in the roadmap.

Key
大口径 Large aperture - They are using this only for 1.4 primes
超広角 Ultra wide - They are using this for 20mm and 24mm
広角 Wide - They are using this for 28mm and 35mm
標準 Standard - They are using this for 50mm only
中望遠 Medium telephoto - They are using this for 85mm and 135mm

大口径(F1.4クラス）超広角（24ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture ultra wide angle prime
大口径(F1.4クラス）広角（28ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
大口径(F1.4クラス）広角（35ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
大口径(F1.4クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture standard prime
大口径(F1.4クラス）中望遠（85ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture medium telephoto prime
(F1.8クラス）超広角（20ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス）超広角（24ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス）広角（28ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime
(F1.8クラス）広角（35ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime
(F1.8クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス）中望遠（85ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F1.8クラス）中望遠（135ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス）望遠（200ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス）望遠（300ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F4クラス）望遠（300ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス）望遠（400ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F4クラス）望遠（400ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ
(F2.8クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）マクロレンズ
(F2.8クラス）標準（100ｍｍ）マクロレンズ
フィッシュアイ単焦点
大口径（F2.8クラス）広角ズーム
大口径（F2.8クラス）標準ズーム
大口径（F2.8クラス）望遠ズーム
（F4クラス）広角ズーム
（F4クラス）標準ズーム
（F4クラス）望遠ズーム
フィッシュアイズーム Fisheye zoom
（F値変動）広角ズーム
（F値変動）標準ズーム
（F値変動）望遠ズーム
（F値変動）超望遠ズーム（テレ端400mmクラス）
（F値変動）高変倍ズーム
シフト機能付きレンズ
チルト機能付きレンズ
ソフトレンズ

So my guess is we're getting a 35mm f1.8 (maybe the Tamron), a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom.

english:
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) super-wide-angle (24mm) single-focus lens Large aperture ultra wide angle prime
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) wide-angle (28mm) single-focus lens
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) wide-angle (35mm) single-focus lens
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) standard (50mm) single-focus lens Large aperture standard prime
Large-diameter (F1.4 class) medium telephoto (85mm) single-focus lens Large aperture medium telephoto prime
(F1.8 class) super-wide-angle (20mm) single-focus lens
(F1.8 class) super-wide-angle (24mm) single-focus lens
(F1.8 class) wide-angle (28mm) single-focus lens Wide angle prime
(F1.8 class) wide-angle (35mm) single-focus lens Wide angle prime
(F1.8 class) standard (50mm) single-focus lens
(F1.8 class) medium telephoto (85mm) single-focus lens
(F1.8 class) medium telephoto (135mm) single focus lens
(F2.8 class) to the telephoto (200mm) single focus lens
(F2.8 class) to the telephoto (300mm) single focus lens
(F4 class) to the telephoto (300mm) single focus lens
(F2.8 class) to the telephoto (400mm) single focus lens
(F4 class) to the telephoto (400mm) single focus lens
(F2.8 class) standard (50mm) macro lens
(F2.8 class) standard (100mm) macro lens
Fish eye single focus
Large aperture (F2.8 class) wide-angle zoom
Large aperture (F2.8 class) standard zoom
Large aperture (F2.8 class) to the telephoto zoom
(F4 class) wide-angle zoom
(F4 class) standard zoom
(F4 class) to the telephoto zoom
Fisheye zoom Fisheye zoom
(F value variation) wide-angle zoom
(F value variation) standard zoom
(F value variation) to the telephoto zoom
(F value variation) super-telephoto zoom (telephoto end 400mm class)
(F value variation) high magnification zoom
Shift function with lens
Tilt function with lens
Soft lenses

at least it is clear they mean F1.4 By large diameter.

**Digitalis** · 02-25-2016, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by JPT

a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom.

...makes some sense.

ogl · 02-25-2016, 08:56 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by JPT

I've posted this list before, but I received a lens survey from Ricoh Japan late last year. When I look at the roadmap

So my guess is we're getting a 35mm f1.8 (maybe the Tamron), a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom.

35/1.8 is unlikely if there are FA31/1.8 and FA35/2

maybe better to produce DFA28/1.8? f2.0?

**Digitalis** · 02-25-2016, 08:56 AM

Thanks for the translation D1N0.

biz-engineer · 02-25-2016, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Who's going to pay such prices for a Pentax lens? Please answer honestly.

A lot of the remaining Pentax customer base is essentially APSC / low budget. A lot of the guys who wanted bigger and had the money for it went to the competition. The good side of Ricoh is that the product portfolio is being renewed with new FF products, but the uncertain thing is how well it will sell simply due to the nature of the average customer base. Once some people will have purchased a K-1, they'll have to wait one or two years to align the money for another lens. Compared to APSC, everything FF is twice the price. That's unfortunate that Pentax let the big budget guys go away.

timautin · 02-25-2016, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

I know hundreds of Pentaxians

O_o hundreds of Pentaxians?? You mean, personally? Is there some Pentaxland hidden in Italy?!

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Not by much. The big cost is the large front element(s).

I have absolutely no knowledge in lens making, so, I can't say. Obviously, in-lens stabilization has a cost and a weight. In which extent, I'd love to know precisely!

Quote:

That's unfortunate that Pentax let the big budget guys go away

Yes, but OTOH the only way to make them back is to invest and wait (and hope).

filmamigo · 02-25-2016, 09:19 AM

That large aperture normal will probably be a refreshed FA 50 f/1.4. But I love a bit-wider normal like the 43mm Limited.

I'd love to see a 43mm f/1.2.

D1N0 · 02-25-2016, 09:24 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by filmamigo

That large aperture normal will probably be a refreshed FA 50 f/1.4. But I love a bit-wider normal like the 43mm Limited.

I'd love to see a 43mm f/1.2.

The FA 50 f/1.4 is ultimately a refreshed super-takumar 50mm 1.4 (seven element). I think Pentax will get slapped for it's wide open performance. (I like the glow but people think everything should be tack sharp always nowadays). I don't think just HD coatings will solve it.

Bromberger · 02-25-2016, 09:26 AM

what does "single focus" mean??

ogl · 02-25-2016, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Bromberger

what does "single focus" mean??

The prime. The fixed lens.

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02-25-2016, 08:11 AM - 1 Like	#61
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by timautin BTW, speaking about super telephoto lenses, a big difference with Nikon & Canon is the stabilization: at these focal lengths, having a stabilized lens is a real plus, and it must be really more complex to build. . Not by much. The big cost is the large front element(s).

02-25-2016, 08:16 AM	#62
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by D1N0 not everything is always on the roadmap ^^^ This. One of the two 'insider' posters once said there's the public roadmap and then there's the Roadmap.

02-25-2016, 08:17 AM	#63
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	Originally posted by ogl +1 Well, it was meant half humorously, but I could really use a DA 12-28 WR! It would be the perfect urban walkaround for me... That DA Wide Zoom has now been on the lensmap for years. And I thought I was buying the Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 as a stop gap measure...

02-25-2016, 08:32 AM	#64
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	I've posted this list before, but I received a lens survey from Ricoh Japan late last year. When I look at the roadmap they've shown, I'm thinking back to that survey and wondering if they are items from that list. The nomenclature may be relevant to interpret what they are talking about in the roadmap. Key 大口径 Large aperture - They are using this only for 1.4 primes 超広角 Ultra wide - They are using this for 20mm and 24mm 広角 Wide - They are using this for 28mm and 35mm 標準 Standard - They are using this for 50mm only 中望遠 Medium telephoto - They are using this for 85mm and 135mm 大口径(F1.4クラス）超広角（24ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture ultra wide angle prime 大口径(F1.4クラス）広角（28ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ大口径(F1.4クラス）広角（35ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ大口径(F1.4クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture standard prime 大口径(F1.4クラス）中望遠（85ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture medium telephoto prime (F1.8クラス）超広角（20ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F1.8クラス）超広角（24ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F1.8クラス）広角（28ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime (F1.8クラス）広角（35ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime (F1.8クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F1.8クラス）中望遠（85ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F1.8クラス）中望遠（135ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F2.8クラス）望遠（200ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F2.8クラス）望遠（300ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F4クラス）望遠（300ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F2.8クラス）望遠（400ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F4クラス）望遠（400ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F2.8クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）マクロレンズ (F2.8クラス）標準（100ｍｍ）マクロレンズフィッシュアイ単焦点大口径（F2.8クラス）広角ズーム大口径（F2.8クラス）標準ズーム大口径（F2.8クラス）望遠ズーム（F4クラス）広角ズーム（F4クラス）標準ズーム（F4クラス）望遠ズームフィッシュアイズーム Fisheye zoom （F値変動）広角ズーム（F値変動）標準ズーム（F値変動）望遠ズーム（F値変動）超望遠ズーム（テレ端400mmクラス）（F値変動）高変倍ズームシフト機能付きレンズチルト機能付きレンズソフトレンズ So my guess is we're getting a 35mm f1.8 (maybe the Tamron), a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom.

02-25-2016, 08:51 AM - 1 Like	#65
rangercarp Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Southern Michigan Posts: 437	If some (or all) of these primes will be rebadged Tamrons, I am not sure why they are waiting until "2017 or later" to release them. The time frame is a possible indicator they will not be rebadges.

02-25-2016, 08:54 AM - 1 Like	#66
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by JPT I've posted this list before, but I received a lens survey from Ricoh Japan late last year. When I look at the roadmap they've shown, I'm thinking back to that survey and wondering if they are items from that list. The nomenclature may be relevant to interpret what they are talking about in the roadmap. Key 大口径 Large aperture - They are using this only for 1.4 primes 超広角 Ultra wide - They are using this for 20mm and 24mm 広角 Wide - They are using this for 28mm and 35mm 標準 Standard - They are using this for 50mm only 中望遠 Medium telephoto - They are using this for 85mm and 135mm 大口径(F1.4クラス）超広角（24ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture ultra wide angle prime 大口径(F1.4クラス）広角（28ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ大口径(F1.4クラス）広角（35ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ大口径(F1.4クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture standard prime 大口径(F1.4クラス）中望遠（85ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Large aperture medium telephoto prime (F1.8クラス）超広角（20ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F1.8クラス）超広角（24ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F1.8クラス）広角（28ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime (F1.8クラス）広角（35ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ Wide angle prime (F1.8クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F1.8クラス）中望遠（85ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F1.8クラス）中望遠（135ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F2.8クラス）望遠（200ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F2.8クラス）望遠（300ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F4クラス）望遠（300ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F2.8クラス）望遠（400ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F4クラス）望遠（400ｍｍ）単焦点レンズ (F2.8クラス）標準（50ｍｍ）マクロレンズ (F2.8クラス）標準（100ｍｍ）マクロレンズフィッシュアイ単焦点大口径（F2.8クラス）広角ズーム大口径（F2.8クラス）標準ズーム大口径（F2.8クラス）望遠ズーム（F4クラス）広角ズーム（F4クラス）標準ズーム（F4クラス）望遠ズームフィッシュアイズーム Fisheye zoom （F値変動）広角ズーム（F値変動）標準ズーム（F値変動）望遠ズーム（F値変動）超望遠ズーム（テレ端400mmクラス）（F値変動）高変倍ズームシフト機能付きレンズチルト機能付きレンズソフトレンズ So my guess is we're getting a 35mm f1.8 (maybe the Tamron), a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom. english: Large-diameter (F1.4 class) super-wide-angle (24mm) single-focus lens Large aperture ultra wide angle prime Large-diameter (F1.4 class) wide-angle (28mm) single-focus lens Large-diameter (F1.4 class) wide-angle (35mm) single-focus lens Large-diameter (F1.4 class) standard (50mm) single-focus lens Large aperture standard prime Large-diameter (F1.4 class) medium telephoto (85mm) single-focus lens Large aperture medium telephoto prime (F1.8 class) super-wide-angle (20mm) single-focus lens (F1.8 class) super-wide-angle (24mm) single-focus lens (F1.8 class) wide-angle (28mm) single-focus lens Wide angle prime (F1.8 class) wide-angle (35mm) single-focus lens Wide angle prime (F1.8 class) standard (50mm) single-focus lens (F1.8 class) medium telephoto (85mm) single-focus lens (F1.8 class) medium telephoto (135mm) single focus lens (F2.8 class) to the telephoto (200mm) single focus lens (F2.8 class) to the telephoto (300mm) single focus lens (F4 class) to the telephoto (300mm) single focus lens (F2.8 class) to the telephoto (400mm) single focus lens (F4 class) to the telephoto (400mm) single focus lens (F2.8 class) standard (50mm) macro lens (F2.8 class) standard (100mm) macro lens Fish eye single focus Large aperture (F2.8 class) wide-angle zoom Large aperture (F2.8 class) standard zoom Large aperture (F2.8 class) to the telephoto zoom (F4 class) wide-angle zoom (F4 class) standard zoom (F4 class) to the telephoto zoom Fisheye zoom Fisheye zoom (F value variation) wide-angle zoom (F value variation) standard zoom (F value variation) to the telephoto zoom (F value variation) super-telephoto zoom (telephoto end 400mm class) (F value variation) high magnification zoom Shift function with lens Tilt function with lens Soft lenses at least it is clear they mean F1.4 By large diameter.

02-25-2016, 08:55 AM	#67
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by JPT a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom. ...makes some sense.

02-25-2016, 08:56 AM - 2 Likes	#68
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by JPT I've posted this list before, but I received a lens survey from Ricoh Japan late last year. When I look at the roadmap So my guess is we're getting a 35mm f1.8 (maybe the Tamron), a 50mm f1.4, an 85mm f1.4, a 24mm f1.4 and the fisheye zoom. 35/1.8 is unlikely if there are FA31/1.8 and FA35/2 maybe better to produce DFA28/1.8? f2.0?

02-25-2016, 08:56 AM	#69
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Thanks for the translation D1N0.

02-25-2016, 08:59 AM	#70
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	Originally posted by Kunzite Who's going to pay such prices for a Pentax lens? Please answer honestly. A lot of the remaining Pentax customer base is essentially APSC / low budget. A lot of the guys who wanted bigger and had the money for it went to the competition. The good side of Ricoh is that the product portfolio is being renewed with new FF products, but the uncertain thing is how well it will sell simply due to the nature of the average customer base. Once some people will have purchased a K-1, they'll have to wait one or two years to align the money for another lens. Compared to APSC, everything FF is twice the price. That's unfortunate that Pentax let the big budget guys go away.

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02-25-2016, 09:09 AM	#71
timautin Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 346	Originally posted by eurostar I know hundreds of Pentaxians O_o hundreds of Pentaxians?? You mean, personally? Is there some Pentaxland hidden in Italy?! Originally posted by Pål Jensen Not by much. The big cost is the large front element(s). I have absolutely no knowledge in lens making, so, I can't say. Obviously, in-lens stabilization has a cost and a weight. In which extent, I'd love to know precisely! Quote: That's unfortunate that Pentax let the big budget guys go away Yes, but OTOH the only way to make them back is to invest and wait (and hope).

02-25-2016, 09:19 AM	#72
filmamigo Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 797	That large aperture normal will probably be a refreshed FA 50 f/1.4. But I love a bit-wider normal like the 43mm Limited. I'd love to see a 43mm f/1.2.

02-25-2016, 09:24 AM - 1 Like	#73
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by filmamigo That large aperture normal will probably be a refreshed FA 50 f/1.4. But I love a bit-wider normal like the 43mm Limited. I'd love to see a 43mm f/1.2. The FA 50 f/1.4 is ultimately a refreshed super-takumar 50mm 1.4 (seven element). I think Pentax will get slapped for it's wide open performance. (I like the glow but people think everything should be tack sharp always nowadays). I don't think just HD coatings will solve it.

02-25-2016, 09:26 AM	#74
Bromberger Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 186	what does "single focus" mean??

02-25-2016, 09:27 AM	#75
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Bromberger what does "single focus" mean?? The prime. The fixed lens.