Originally posted by beholder3 Buyers won't be "fair" just to please not so clever Sony fanboys. They will want a sexy small camera/lens combination for shooting street and people such as the K-1 plus FA 77 is.
Sony just has no competitive lens offering in that segment. That is what the discussion was about.
The A7RII sucks not only with regards to grip and viewfinder, but also with regards to attractive lens offerings. And the price/performance value is abysmal, too. Toy camera for gadget nerds.
Sony fanboys or not, there are many fanboys for whatever brand out there... I own a few systems and I know none of them are perfect and all of them are good in their respective use, and I respected each manufacturer and what they have done. If one were to say a system is bad and another is good without saying objective reasons and not looking at their strengths and weaknesses giving credit when credit is due is being a "fanboy".
I'm not sure you have tried the A7RII or not, the EVF on that is certainly beyond rubbish, in fact, is it one of best out there. Won't start an OVF vs EVF debate here, but the point is, for EVF, the A7R2 has one of the best EVF out there, just try the EVFs from other cameras, and you will know what I mean. the grip? It isn't excellent in DSLR standards, but for mirrorless, it is again one of the best as well, depends on what you comparing it to. Attractive lens? Well in the FE lens lineup sure there isn't a direct competitor for FA 77, but there are also other nice and not so big lenses that are good at shooting street and people such as FE 35mm f2.8, Loxia 35mm f2, Loxia 50mm f2, FE55mm f1.8 and Batis 85mm f1.8. Sure there's isn't something that cheap in the lineup, and the A7R2 body is very expensive indeed, however, FA 77 isn't exactly cheap either, sure it performs well but it is not a new optics anymore. Then there is the flexibility of using adapters, mount almost any brand's lenses and auto-focus many of them on the A7 series body, yes it won't work as well as native lenses, at least the ability to expand can't be overlooked. Pentax has good FA lenses, and many older lenses can go onto the K-1, plus many new D-FA lenses are coming that's also great for expandability, just it can't use say Canon Nikon lenses with adapter and certainly can't autofocus them.
Put in perspective, the Pentax set is still cheaper then A7R2 plus whatever FE native lenses, but it is still bigger and heavier in volume than A7R2 with any of the native lenses I mentioned above, sure they do not give the unique perpective of FA 77mm, but the fact you can also put FA 77 on A7R2 with adapter will still be lighter and smaller makes this whole thing more complex to look at it. Yes you do lose autofocus, but can't change it fact the A7R2 + FA77 is still smaller and lighter than K-1 +FA 77. The way how I see this is, there is no clear winner for every category, that's why people will ended up buying both K-1 and Sony A7 series bodies. The K-1 + FA77 is certainly good package with better price, and people buy it for many good reasons, but there are people also choose to buy the A7 series and A7R2 because there are other things that Pentax or any brands don't offer as well, horses for courses really.
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Originally posted by filoxophy Are those new Sony G behemoths for A-mount as well? Sure looks like it in that camerasize view. Looks like a DSLR/T lens with a permanently affixed adapter.
No they are for E-mount cameras, I'm sure they are top performers, but I can imagine they will be terribly unbalanced on A7 series bodies.