Originally posted by Nicolas06 Well if we want AF, and really that not a feature that is accessory, we can put on that A7R-II (625g):
- SEL 85mm f/1.4: 800g
- macro 90mm f/2.8: 600g
Total is either 1225g or 1425g... The K1 is 1kg and FA77 is 269g.. Total is 1269g.
Now if you compare 3FA ltd vs 3FE lenses and add the K1 or the A7RII, you'll find Pentax cheaper, defend itself quite well for quality... And the weight you'll find a quite capable FF body as compact or more than the Sony. If you want it small, you'll stick to A7 original body that was actually light, at least.
The Pentax FF zooms are behemoh, but the Sony zoom have acceptable distorsion only once corrected and are slow f/4. They are not lighter/smaller than f/4 DSLR lenses or f/2.8 APSC zooms. It's not the mirorless that make them small, but the slow apperture.
I don't want to prevent anybody from buying an A7R-II, everybody is free to choose, but the argument that some give there that Pentax could not compete against mirorless for size/weight and there was a paradigm shift read to much into the marketing statement and didn't really compare the practical difference.
I agree K1 is a big beast and there no way to shrink it. pentax could have made it smaller but you could not have both articulated screen, SR and so on and a light FF body. Still, this isn't that bad once you factor the whole system.
I agree people should have the right to choose, but the truth is, FE lineup and A7 series is not consistent and full of issues.. that's recognised by many Sony/Minolta users, and I'm among one of them... the K-1 set does has the price advantage not just comparing to Sony, but also CaNikon as well, it is very competitive price vs performance wise, and I'm sure it will do well.
Well, I always think that the A7 series of cameras should always stay reasonably small and light rather than going big and heavy with f1.4 primes and f2.8 zooms, that should leave to the A-mount system, it defeats the purpose of smaller and lighter and it cost heaps, but Sony did it anyway coz it sells.... That's why I mentioned it before, the E-mount system is not meant to host FF sensor from the beginning, it's short flange distance has made it harder to design high performance lenses or leaving compromises in lens designs. This also mean that the Sony engineers needs to start from scratch in lens design again thus making the cost high and they need to figure out new QC standards and it can't be refined in a short time thus leaving lens quality vary a lot. Adding unto that they also need to design their body to reinforce the actual mount to host larger high performance lenses( that agin adds costs), also to cater the lineup of lenses with OSS and no OSS the mount needs to accept a higher degree of lens variance to compensate that etc etc as you can see all kinds of issues, it is just not consistent at all...While with A-mount and K-mount it was introduced by Minolta and Pentax long time ago and it is engineered well from the start and refined through out the years thus there is none or less of those issues when designing Full frame lenses for the mount.
Thus you see with FE lenses, there are 2 types of lenses resulted from all those issues: 1. the lenses that needs to be kept in reasonable size needs some software to correct and enhance the performance due to physics; 2. the high performance f1.4 and f2.8 primes like FE 35mm f1.4 Zeiss, FE 85mm f1.4 G Master, FE 90mm f2.8 Marco G lens can't be designed smaller and lighter than 35mm, 85mm f1.4 and 90/100mm f2.8 DSLR lenses due to the fact they need to compensate the short flange distance and pushing performance at the same time, thus they are also pretty expensive from the R&D perspective.
However, the f1.8, f2 and f2.8 primes for the FE lineup are quite good in size,weight and performance too. If you consider the Batis 85mm f1.8 from Zeiss, that's 475g, with A7R2 that's 1.1kg, and FE 55mm f1.8 that's 281g, with A7R2 is 906g, FE 35mm f2.8 is 102g with A7R2 is 727g, now those combo makes the set much smaller, lighter and travel friendly and thus I think those sets should be the ideal combo Sony should aim to push with the A7 series and again leave the big behemoth G Master lenses to A-mount( The G Master 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8 is actually bigger than the A-mount f2.8 equivalent)...
Meanwhile, the K-1 body it self isn't the lightest in its class, it is in fact even heavier than 5D3 and D810, however it is smaller than most if not all FF DSLRs and you are right it is jam packed with features. I don't know if Pentax can shrink it or not, maybe they can, but I think it's small enough for an FF DSLR otherwise it may compromise ergonomics combo with big D-FA zooms. The weight and size of FA limited primes sure would helps to not add on too much weight and their size together with the K-1 should be rather smallish and it also adds awesome optical performance.
Last edited by ColiNiloK; 03-01-2016 at 05:05 AM.