Originally posted by wkraus Could you describe what makes you happier with the Capture One output?
With Capture One I don't see the unnatural hue shifts that are quite common with ACR.
Winder is right that ACR hue problems can most easily be spotted with skin colours but I see unnatural and unpleasant hue shifts from ACR in other areas as well.
I suspect the reason for ACR's hue inaccuracies with Pentax cameras is twofold:
- Most ACR camera profiles are so-called "twisted" profiles, i.e., they deliberately change hues based on luminance information. This is supposed to create more pleasant colours (sacrificing accuracy). I have a suspicion that a good tuning of the hue twisting to the camera's primary colours is required to actually achieve the desired "more pleasant"-effect and that Adobe does not give Pentax the attention that it gives to Canon or Nikon.
- Creating a good profile is not that trivial as it should work well for many different illuminants (such as daylight, cloudy day, Tungsten, etc.). Again, the sensor's characteristics (what are the RGB primaries?, how much of a (e.g., magenta) tint is there at low-light levels?, etc.) matter and again I don't think Adobe has spent much effort on Pentax cameras. Canon and Nikon camera models come with multiple camera profiles, each dedicated to a particular purpose, but for Pentax there is only "Adobe Standard".
I tried to improve the situation for my K-5 II (I was reasonably happy with the K100D when I still used Lightroom) by generating my own Color-checker-based camera profiles and even manually tweaking them with the DNG profile editor, but I was never really happy with the outcomes. Again, I don't think the DNG profile editor is a good fit to Pentax. When you select a patch in the color checker and tweak it, you'll notice that changing the source hue will make the target changes much more specific, i.e., affect the patch much more and affect adjacent colours much less. In other words, Adobe's determination of the source colour is off, at least for the K-5 II.
Only for very bright daylight and flash light, the dedicated Color-checker profiles seemed to be pretty accurate. For other lighting scenarios, they did not help to overcome the ACR colour problems.
With Capture One 9, colours for the K-5 II look much better out of the box and -- this is ironic but true -- Capture One has much more refined means to correct colour problems. Instead of ACR's crude "eight colour"-tuner, you get a full-blown colour editor where you can fine-tune colours you want to target and control how many other adjacent colours should be affected (both in terms of hue and lightness). For skin tones there is even a way to homogenise skin colours so that faces look more even. Again, all these features are much less needed for CO which produces natural looking images out of the box.
Summarising, while a lot of tweaking can get ACR output to match CO's standard output, it is
- quite a bit of work and I don't think the tweaking required is the same for all images.
- with some images you'll never get there, even when resorting to the DNG profile editor which is not easy to use as it does not seemed to be geared towards Pentax camera characteristics and lacks features that allow fine-control over which colour ranges are affected by a tweak.
P.S.: Capture One only shines in the way I described above with an accurate camera profile. I think the current K-5 II profile is excellent, but the K-3 profile was originally just a sloppily adjusted K-5 profile. I understand that in the meantime the K-3 profile has been updated and is very good as well, but I don't have any first-hand experience.
It may take a while for the K-1 to be properly supported by Capture One, but when the proper support is there, it should be great. In the meantime, one can use the colour editor to create own's own camera profiles as the colour editor cannot only be used to tweak individual images, but also to export a camera profile to be applied to all images per default. I haven't tried that yet because I did not have the need but as I said the control over colour modifications is much finer compared to what Adobe provides.