DP Review: CP+ 2016: shooting the Pentax K-1 in Yokohama

**ffking** · 03-03-2016, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by Lightograph

It would have been nice had a taken couple of shots at 12800 ISO.

not getting them from anywhere yet, which is frustrating considering the claimed higher ISO capability is one of the features that distinguish it from the D810

**Rondec** · 03-03-2016, 04:00 AM - **1 Like**

To me, these photos show the down side of full frame. That is to say, shallow depth of field can be your friend in some situations and enemy in a lot more. Feels like a lot of these photos would have benefited from being stopped down more.

Herr Ur · 03-03-2016, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

To me, these photos show the down side of full frame. That is to say, shallow depth of field can be your friend in some situations and enemy in a lot more. Feels like a lot of these photos would have benefited from being stopped down more.

If you just get rid of the habit of shooting wide open all the time (like I do too often) I think it will turn into an up side. Most lenses are sharper stopped down a bit, right?

**Rondec** · 03-03-2016, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by Herr Ur

If you just get rid of the habit of shooting wide open all the time (like I do too often) I think it will turn into an up side. Most lenses are sharper stopped down a bit, right?

I don't shoot wide open very much -- mostly shoot f4 on APS-C. I just see a lot of photos where folks have too little depth of field and half the image is a blurry mess. It works fine for portraits, but for a lot of other things, it is nice if most of the stuff in the image is in focus.

Winder · 03-03-2016, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by Herr Ur

If you just get rid of the habit of shooting wide open all the time (like I do too often) I think it will turn into an up side. Most lenses are sharper stopped down a bit, right?

Yes. Most of your older glass was designed to have peak performance at F/5.6 - F/11. F/8 is often the sweet spot. With ASP-C though you want lenses that perform better at wider apertures.

mohb · 03-03-2016, 04:35 AM

Why all the fuss, is it likely that Ricoh would introduce a camera with a design fault so that it that took unsharp photos?

**clackers** · 03-03-2016, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by FantasticMrFox

How's it DPR's fault if people vote against the truth?

If I put a poll up here in PF asking what the solution to '2 + 2' was, and half the answers would be '3', would that reflect on PF or rather on certain users?

You wouldn't get that proportion here, FMF.

There's something about that site that begets its kind of members. Maybe it's the poor staff articles, or the lowbrow discussions without irony.

And yes, there are of course PF members who are DPR members - it's the biggest show in town, for better or for worse. ☺

Zygonyx · 03-03-2016, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by clackers

In the poll at the bottom of the page, 535 want it, 16 claim to own it already, and 14 say they used to own it!

DPR is just a crock of sh...

Donald, get out of this body

Mistral75 · 03-03-2016, 05:48 AM

Pixel Shift Resolution demo:

Youtu.be

**gaweidert** · 03-03-2016, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

To me, these photos show the down side of full frame. That is to say, shallow depth of field can be your friend in some situations and enemy in a lot more. Feels like a lot of these photos would have benefited from being stopped down more.

Official old timer here, The shallow depth of field is easily controllable by adjusting the f-stop. And as that is how I have always worked, not an issue. What I do not like about the current lenses is the lack of a aperture ring. The lack of a simple dedicated DOF preview button on any modern Pentax cameras is annoying to me too.

I think that the modern cameras are simply way to complex. The perfect DLSR for me would have lenses with aperture rings, a dial to adjust shutter speed and a depth of field preview button so I can easily see results and a simple needle moving up and down to let me know when the exposure is right. Just press the DOF button and spin the aperture and focus rings to get the shot you want. All without having to take you eye away from the viewfinder. Spot and averageing meters too. I don't need 15 user modes etc. etc. etc.

If it had a PHD (push here dummy) mode that would be okay too, but these are not snapshot cameras. These are tools that should require a bit a thought as to what you are trying to accomplish with the image you are making.

I do plan on getting a full frame camera becasue of the shallow depth of field and the better viewfinder. I will probably have to get a different focus screen. If one from one of my SLR's with a micro prism focus aid fit it would be awesome. A 45 degree angle split screen in the middle would be nice too.

Even with my auto focus lenses I find myself using manual forcus for a high percentage of my shots. And in cold weather lenses like my Sigma 17-70mm lens simply won't auto focus at all once it gets to 20F or so. Almost all of my winter shots are manual focus.

mee · 03-03-2016, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by FantasticMrFox

How's it DPR's fault if people vote against the truth?

If I put a poll up here in PF asking what the solution to '2 + 2' was, and half the answers would be '3', would that reflect on PF or rather on certain users?

There is a difference between DPR and PF..

DPReview is a review site with a set of forums
PForums is a set of forums with reviews

So, the userbase is more of what PF is versus the nutty userbase over at DPR.

The more perplexing question, I find, Is the userbase at DPR nutty because of the nutty official reviews and articles or do they happen to also be as nutty as DPR and are just peas in a pod (likeness attracting likeness) ?? That is, is the nuttyness due to influence or to likemindedness ?

Gimbal · 03-03-2016, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Pixel Shift Resolution demo:

https://youtu.be/YyexKqv1idk

The processing part seems pretty quick.

**robbiec** · 03-03-2016, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

Well: FA*28-70 = 800gm DFA 24-70 = 787gm

Not really any direct comparison for the 150-450 but the 250-600 is 5400gm

But the FA* has the wonderful Tie Fighter like power zoom noise

**RuiC** · 03-03-2016, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Lightograph

It looks like he covered a lot of critical features of K1 given the limited time but for High ISO performance. It would have been nice had a taken couple of shots at 12800 ISO.

Maybe it is an early firmware to ask for high ISO and other issues!

---------- Post added 03-03-16 at 08:13 ----------

Originally posted by gmans

Could say shake reduction would eliminate a lot of movement, you would hope.

As per other comments here, maybe it's a focus issue not a SR case !! He seems to be using a manual focus lens and short in time to get it critically well focused. I would concentrate on other items besides focus if reviewing in such conditions!

**Rondec** · 03-03-2016, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by gaweidert

Official old timer here, The shallow depth of field is easily controllable by adjusting the f-stop. And as that is how I have always worked, not an issue. What I do not like about the current lenses is the lack of a aperture ring. The lack of a simple dedicated DOF preview button on any modern Pentax cameras is annoying to me too.

I think that the modern cameras are simply way to complex. The perfect DLSR for me would have lenses with aperture rings, a dial to adjust shutter speed and a depth of field preview button so I can easily see results and a simple needle moving up and down to let me know when the exposure is right. Just press the DOF button and spin the aperture and focus rings to get the shot you want. All without having to take you eye away from the viewfinder. Spot and averageing meters too. I don't need 15 user modes etc. etc. etc.

If it had a PHD (push here dummy) mode that would be okay too, but these are not snapshot cameras. These are tools that should require a bit a thought as to what you are trying to accomplish with the image you are making.

I do plan on getting a full frame camera becasue of the shallow depth of field and the better viewfinder. I will probably have to get a different focus screen. If one from one of my SLR's with a micro prism focus aid fit it would be awesome. A 45 degree angle split screen in the middle would be nice too.

Even with my auto focus lenses I find myself using manual forcus for a high percentage of my shots. And in cold weather lenses like my Sigma 17-70mm lens simply won't auto focus at all once it gets to 20F or so. Almost all of my winter shots are manual focus.

I don't disagree that full frame cameras give you more options with regard to depth of field/aperture than APS-C, but my experience on the forum tells me that there will be plenty of folks who move to a K-1 and suddenly all of their lenses seem soft because there is just less in focus. I will probably set my aperture at f5.6 for the most part and enjoy shooting with it that way.

As to cameras being too complex, I think they are fine. I find it very simple to change apertures with current cameras -- a lot easier than with older cameras. I have always thought that if you don't want user modes or things like that, then you just don't use them.

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03-03-2016, 03:52 AM	#31
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Lightograph It would have been nice had a taken couple of shots at 12800 ISO. not getting them from anywhere yet, which is frustrating considering the claimed higher ISO capability is one of the features that distinguish it from the D810

03-03-2016, 04:00 AM - 1 Like	#32
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	To me, these photos show the down side of full frame. That is to say, shallow depth of field can be your friend in some situations and enemy in a lot more. Feels like a lot of these photos would have benefited from being stopped down more.

03-03-2016, 04:18 AM	#33
Herr Ur New Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 20	Originally posted by Rondec To me, these photos show the down side of full frame. That is to say, shallow depth of field can be your friend in some situations and enemy in a lot more. Feels like a lot of these photos would have benefited from being stopped down more. If you just get rid of the habit of shooting wide open all the time (like I do too often) I think it will turn into an up side. Most lenses are sharper stopped down a bit, right?

03-03-2016, 04:24 AM	#34
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by Herr Ur If you just get rid of the habit of shooting wide open all the time (like I do too often) I think it will turn into an up side. Most lenses are sharper stopped down a bit, right? I don't shoot wide open very much -- mostly shoot f4 on APS-C. I just see a lot of photos where folks have too little depth of field and half the image is a blurry mess. It works fine for portraits, but for a lot of other things, it is nice if most of the stuff in the image is in focus.

03-03-2016, 04:33 AM	#35
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Herr Ur If you just get rid of the habit of shooting wide open all the time (like I do too often) I think it will turn into an up side. Most lenses are sharper stopped down a bit, right? Yes. Most of your older glass was designed to have peak performance at F/5.6 - F/11. F/8 is often the sweet spot. With ASP-C though you want lenses that perform better at wider apertures.

03-03-2016, 04:35 AM	#36
mohb Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,912	Why all the fuss, is it likely that Ricoh would introduce a camera with a design fault so that it that took unsharp photos?

03-03-2016, 04:37 AM	#37
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by FantasticMrFox How's it DPR's fault if people vote against the truth? If I put a poll up here in PF asking what the solution to '2 + 2' was, and half the answers would be '3', would that reflect on PF or rather on certain users? You wouldn't get that proportion here, FMF. There's something about that site that begets its kind of members. Maybe it's the poor staff articles, or the lowbrow discussions without irony. And yes, there are of course PF members who are DPR members - it's the biggest show in town, for better or for worse. ☺

03-03-2016, 04:53 AM	#38
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by clackers In the poll at the bottom of the page, 535 want it, 16 claim to own it already, and 14 say they used to own it! DPR is just a crock of sh... Donald, get out of this body

03-03-2016, 05:53 AM	#40
gaweidert Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,325	Originally posted by Rondec To me, these photos show the down side of full frame. That is to say, shallow depth of field can be your friend in some situations and enemy in a lot more. Feels like a lot of these photos would have benefited from being stopped down more. Official old timer here, The shallow depth of field is easily controllable by adjusting the f-stop. And as that is how I have always worked, not an issue. What I do not like about the current lenses is the lack of a aperture ring. The lack of a simple dedicated DOF preview button on any modern Pentax cameras is annoying to me too. I think that the modern cameras are simply way to complex. The perfect DLSR for me would have lenses with aperture rings, a dial to adjust shutter speed and a depth of field preview button so I can easily see results and a simple needle moving up and down to let me know when the exposure is right. Just press the DOF button and spin the aperture and focus rings to get the shot you want. All without having to take you eye away from the viewfinder. Spot and averageing meters too. I don't need 15 user modes etc. etc. etc. If it had a PHD (push here dummy) mode that would be okay too, but these are not snapshot cameras. These are tools that should require a bit a thought as to what you are trying to accomplish with the image you are making. I do plan on getting a full frame camera becasue of the shallow depth of field and the better viewfinder. I will probably have to get a different focus screen. If one from one of my SLR's with a micro prism focus aid fit it would be awesome. A 45 degree angle split screen in the middle would be nice too. Even with my auto focus lenses I find myself using manual forcus for a high percentage of my shots. And in cold weather lenses like my Sigma 17-70mm lens simply won't auto focus at all once it gets to 20F or so. Almost all of my winter shots are manual focus.

03-03-2016, 07:29 AM	#41
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by FantasticMrFox How's it DPR's fault if people vote against the truth? If I put a poll up here in PF asking what the solution to '2 + 2' was, and half the answers would be '3', would that reflect on PF or rather on certain users? There is a difference between DPR and PF.. DPReview is a review site with a set of forums PForums is a set of forums with reviews So, the userbase is more of what PF is versus the nutty userbase over at DPR. The more perplexing question, I find, Is the userbase at DPR nutty because of the nutty official reviews and articles or do they happen to also be as nutty as DPR and are just peas in a pod (likeness attracting likeness) ?? That is, is the nuttyness due to influence or to likemindedness ?

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03-03-2016, 07:49 AM	#42
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by Mistral75 Pixel Shift Resolution demo: https://youtu.be/YyexKqv1idk The processing part seems pretty quick.

03-03-2016, 08:06 AM	#43
robbiec Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cork Photos: Albums Posts: 1,882	Originally posted by jatrax Well: FA28-70 = 800gm DFA 24-70 = 787gm Not really any direct comparison for the 150-450 but the 250-600 is 5400gm But the FA has the wonderful Tie Fighter like power zoom noise

03-03-2016, 08:06 AM	#44
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by Lightograph It looks like he covered a lot of critical features of K1 given the limited time but for High ISO performance. It would have been nice had a taken couple of shots at 12800 ISO. Maybe it is an early firmware to ask for high ISO and other issues! ---------- Post added 03-03-16 at 08:13 ---------- Originally posted by gmans Could say shake reduction would eliminate a lot of movement, you would hope. As per other comments here, maybe it's a focus issue not a SR case !! He seems to be using a manual focus lens and short in time to get it critically well focused. I would concentrate on other items besides focus if reviewing in such conditions!

03-03-2016, 08:20 AM	#45
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by gaweidert Official old timer here, The shallow depth of field is easily controllable by adjusting the f-stop. And as that is how I have always worked, not an issue. What I do not like about the current lenses is the lack of a aperture ring. The lack of a simple dedicated DOF preview button on any modern Pentax cameras is annoying to me too. I think that the modern cameras are simply way to complex. The perfect DLSR for me would have lenses with aperture rings, a dial to adjust shutter speed and a depth of field preview button so I can easily see results and a simple needle moving up and down to let me know when the exposure is right. Just press the DOF button and spin the aperture and focus rings to get the shot you want. All without having to take you eye away from the viewfinder. Spot and averageing meters too. I don't need 15 user modes etc. etc. etc. If it had a PHD (push here dummy) mode that would be okay too, but these are not snapshot cameras. These are tools that should require a bit a thought as to what you are trying to accomplish with the image you are making. I do plan on getting a full frame camera becasue of the shallow depth of field and the better viewfinder. I will probably have to get a different focus screen. If one from one of my SLR's with a micro prism focus aid fit it would be awesome. A 45 degree angle split screen in the middle would be nice too. Even with my auto focus lenses I find myself using manual forcus for a high percentage of my shots. And in cold weather lenses like my Sigma 17-70mm lens simply won't auto focus at all once it gets to 20F or so. Almost all of my winter shots are manual focus. I don't disagree that full frame cameras give you more options with regard to depth of field/aperture than APS-C, but my experience on the forum tells me that there will be plenty of folks who move to a K-1 and suddenly all of their lenses seem soft because there is just less in focus. I will probably set my aperture at f5.6 for the most part and enjoy shooting with it that way. As to cameras being too complex, I think they are fine. I find it very simple to change apertures with current cameras -- a lot easier than with older cameras. I have always thought that if you don't want user modes or things like that, then you just don't use them.