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Fenwoodian · 03-08-2016, 01:46 PM

I'd love to see Ricoh/Pentax partner up with Fujifilm.

I've owned 5 Fuji X digital cameras and a number of their lenses. Nice products.

If there ever is such a partnership maybe the Fuji philosophy of continuously upgrading body firmware on older bodies will be adopted by Richo/Pentax! We can hope...

rawr · 03-08-2016, 01:53 PM

What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh?

Kunzite · 03-08-2016, 02:07 PM

Hmm... who knows...
The timing is plausible - large sensor mirrorless, after they "fix" the K-mount, I said in the past. I'm sure they're thinking about the right time for entering this market segment, too. But... rumors are so easily made up (see Nikon's supposed partnership with Samsung, for example). Particularly I wouldn't believe "partnership" rumors

- they're prone to being made up by the respective systems' fans.
Maybe this will come up into one of the yet unpublished CP+ interviews.

**THoog** · 03-08-2016, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

It's a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Therefore, they are in the mirrorless interchangeable lens market. They might not have a big slice of it, but they have a slice. It's already a crowded market, one that Samsung has already failed in.

Also, they "entered" the MILC market in 2012 with a certain rubber-clad brick-shaped camera. How many "entrances" can they make? "Wants to compete in" would have been a better choice of words.

**boriscleto** · 03-08-2016, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by THoog

Also, they "entered" the MILC market in 2012 with a certain rubber-clad brick-shaped camera. How many "entrances" can they make? "Wants to compete in" would have been a better choice of words.

It was more attractive than this...

Sigma sd Quattro H Mirrorless Camera | Sigma Corporation of America

**THoog** · 03-08-2016, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

It was more attractive than this...

Sigma sd Quattro H Mirrorless Camera | Sigma Corporation of America

No arguments here.

Whatever comes of this rumor, I think what I said two or three years back regarding a "K-02" still holds: when Ricoh/Pentax does try a larger sensor MILC again, it will have been so long and bear so little resemblance to the '01 that no one will think to connect the two.

surfar · 03-08-2016, 02:16 PM

Thick as a Brick was the problem there and an Aussie designed it, we are world renowned for camera design(NOT!)

Caat · 03-08-2016, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by rawr

What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh?

I don't know, but I presume Ricoh is a much larger company that Fuji - so maybe first and foremost investment money / shared risk?

Also, shared lens designs and IP. Does Fuji have sensor based shake reduction?

RonHendriks1966 · 03-08-2016, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by rawr

What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh?

Having a colaboration based on a bigger sensor, but essentially like the m4/3 with many contenders in it. So I guess this will be larger then aps-c.

totsmuyco · 03-08-2016, 04:37 PM

If they go into it, I would prefer if they can maintain the k-mount. In short, a better k-01. Probably if they can make the AF really fast then that would be a killer camera.

reh321 · 03-08-2016, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by THoog

No arguments here.
Whatever comes of this rumor, I think what I said two or three years back regarding a "K-02" still holds: when Ricoh/Pentax does try a larger sensor MILC again, it will have been so long and bear so little resemblance to the '01 that no one will think to connect the two.

Unless they name it K-01ii

Danas_Anis · 03-08-2016, 05:12 PM

I may be wrong, but isn't sony E mount made like an open standard similarly like m4/3 mount is and it would be wiser, if not going with k mount, choose a mount that has large support for various lenses and accessories? You can mount many lenses on E mount and they even can utilize autofocus. That would sell new mirrorless system pretty well. Fuji is also not very much into video stuff so it might be Fuji to go together with RP... You know, a felloship of we ignore this and that thing... Although I would love to see Samsung NX1 guts inside the possible new Pentax mirrorless. Interesting rumor, will sew how real it is in the future, but 2018?! That is a very long time period... Hopefully RP and the possible partner company whether it's Fuji or someone else will be considerably open about what they are doing and keep us informed,

**RobA_Oz** · 03-08-2016, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by rawr

What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh?

Probably an increase of scale, but more likely an impression of a broader system that gives consumers more choice (eg of lenses) and certainty that the system will stick around and not be an orphan.

ogl · 03-08-2016, 10:52 PM

The rumour says about new bayonet bigger than APS-C. It could be new FF mirrorless system.

pinholecam · 03-08-2016, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by rawr

What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh?

1. Bigger clout for the system rather than 5-8 makers each fighting to make their system work in a shrinking market.
They will still fight over market share within the system of course.
Just like the m4/3 system, users feel safer as they buy into a system that is supported by 2 companies, and they get to choose to mix and match camera/lenses too.

2. Ganging up for the coming hard times (for the market)

3. Shared costs in standards/rnd/etc

4. Shared IP

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03-08-2016, 01:46 PM	#16
Fenwoodian Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,875	I'd love to see Ricoh/Pentax partner up with Fujifilm. I've owned 5 Fuji X digital cameras and a number of their lenses. Nice products. If there ever is such a partnership maybe the Fuji philosophy of continuously upgrading body firmware on older bodies will be adopted by Richo/Pentax! We can hope...

03-08-2016, 01:53 PM	#17
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh?

03-08-2016, 02:07 PM	#18
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Hmm... who knows... The timing is plausible - large sensor mirrorless, after they "fix" the K-mount, I said in the past. I'm sure they're thinking about the right time for entering this market segment, too. But... rumors are so easily made up (see Nikon's supposed partnership with Samsung, for example). Particularly I wouldn't believe "partnership" rumors - they're prone to being made up by the respective systems' fans. Maybe this will come up into one of the yet unpublished CP+ interviews.

03-08-2016, 02:08 PM	#19
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by boriscleto It's a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Therefore, they are in the mirrorless interchangeable lens market. They might not have a big slice of it, but they have a slice. It's already a crowded market, one that Samsung has already failed in. Also, they "entered" the MILC market in 2012 with a certain rubber-clad brick-shaped camera. How many "entrances" can they make? "Wants to compete in" would have been a better choice of words.

03-08-2016, 02:11 PM	#20
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,477	Originally posted by THoog Also, they "entered" the MILC market in 2012 with a certain rubber-clad brick-shaped camera. How many "entrances" can they make? "Wants to compete in" would have been a better choice of words. It was more attractive than this... Sigma sd Quattro H Mirrorless Camera \| Sigma Corporation of America

03-08-2016, 02:13 PM	#21
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by boriscleto It was more attractive than this... Sigma sd Quattro H Mirrorless Camera \| Sigma Corporation of America No arguments here. Whatever comes of this rumor, I think what I said two or three years back regarding a "K-02" still holds: when Ricoh/Pentax does try a larger sensor MILC again, it will have been so long and bear so little resemblance to the '01 that no one will think to connect the two.

03-08-2016, 02:16 PM	#22
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,147	Thick as a Brick was the problem there and an Aussie designed it, we are world renowned for camera design(NOT!)

03-08-2016, 02:22 PM	#23
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by rawr What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh? I don't know, but I presume Ricoh is a much larger company that Fuji - so maybe first and foremost investment money / shared risk? Also, shared lens designs and IP. Does Fuji have sensor based shake reduction?

03-08-2016, 03:36 PM	#24
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by rawr What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh? Having a colaboration based on a bigger sensor, but essentially like the m4/3 with many contenders in it. So I guess this will be larger then aps-c.

03-08-2016, 04:37 PM	#25
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	If they go into it, I would prefer if they can maintain the k-mount. In short, a better k-01. Probably if they can make the AF really fast then that would be a killer camera.

03-08-2016, 05:03 PM	#26
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by THoog No arguments here. Whatever comes of this rumor, I think what I said two or three years back regarding a "K-02" still holds: when Ricoh/Pentax does try a larger sensor MILC again, it will have been so long and bear so little resemblance to the '01 that no one will think to connect the two. Unless they name it K-01ii

03-08-2016, 05:12 PM	#27
Danas_Anis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 198	I may be wrong, but isn't sony E mount made like an open standard similarly like m4/3 mount is and it would be wiser, if not going with k mount, choose a mount that has large support for various lenses and accessories? You can mount many lenses on E mount and they even can utilize autofocus. That would sell new mirrorless system pretty well. Fuji is also not very much into video stuff so it might be Fuji to go together with RP... You know, a felloship of we ignore this and that thing... Although I would love to see Samsung NX1 guts inside the possible new Pentax mirrorless. Interesting rumor, will sew how real it is in the future, but 2018?! That is a very long time period... Hopefully RP and the possible partner company whether it's Fuji or someone else will be considerably open about what they are doing and keep us informed,

03-08-2016, 05:43 PM	#28
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by rawr What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh? Probably an increase of scale, but more likely an impression of a broader system that gives consumers more choice (eg of lenses) and certainty that the system will stick around and not be an orphan.

03-08-2016, 10:52 PM	#29
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	The rumour says about new bayonet bigger than APS-C. It could be new FF mirrorless system.

03-08-2016, 11:42 PM	#30
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,710	Originally posted by rawr What's the gain for Fuji in working with Ricoh? 1. Bigger clout for the system rather than 5-8 makers each fighting to make their system work in a shrinking market. They will still fight over market share within the system of course. Just like the m4/3 system, users feel safer as they buy into a system that is supported by 2 companies, and they get to choose to mix and match camera/lenses too. 2. Ganging up for the coming hard times (for the market) 3. Shared costs in standards/rnd/etc 4. Shared IP

Ricoh want's to go mirrorless? With X-mount/Fujifilm? at least 2 years away.

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