Ricoh want's to go mirrorless? With X-mount/Fujifilm? at least 2 years away.

Kunzite · 03-29-2016, 06:56 AM

But you should still ditch those dying-breed DSLRs to tie your future to Samsung NX'

RonHendriks1966 · 03-30-2016, 06:51 AM

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2016/03/29/the-mirrorless-revolution-is-just-s...by-steve-huff/

Zygonyx · 03-30-2016, 06:54 AM

Such a link from such an unreliable and selfproclaimed expert person should be under ban ...

Kunzite · 03-30-2016, 06:59 AM - **2 Likes**

"The mirrorless revolution is just starting" is a very actual subject; so actual, that you could write an article with the exact same title and subject every year.

I bet we'll still hear how "the mirrorless revolution is just starting" (as well as: "soon, mirrorless will replace DSLRs" 5 years from now.

The good news? No matter when Ricoh Imaging will (properly) join the mirrorless revolution, they won't be late. After all, the mirrorless revolution would just be starting...

RonHendriks1966 · 03-30-2016, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The good news? No matter when Ricoh Imaging will (properly) join the mirrorless revolution, they won't be late. After all, the mirrorless revolution would just be starting...

I think you are right on this!

**Fontan** · 03-31-2016, 09:39 PM

I can't wait for that mirrorless MF.

Jonathan Mac · 03-31-2016, 10:12 PM

Right now Sony's FF mirrorless has no real direct competitor in that segment of the market. Any company that makes a move on it now and is prepared to fight could do very well out of it, but I can't see Ricoh doing that. Add another mount/lens range in addition to the Q, 645, APS-C and FF K?

A m4/3-style collaboration with the X mount would be great but Fuji don't stand to win much by it. Their cameras are very good, though much less solid than Pentax's DSLRs and their lenses, despite being available for only a short time, are reputed to be among the best of the best. Having Ricoh as a partner wouldn't add a serious volume to the sales so there's no real reason to add them unless they start a concerted effort to gather more even more partners.

surfar · 03-31-2016, 10:42 PM

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ua...18443451,d.dGY

I just read this on the Fuji forum, some interesting tooing and frooing

**clackers** · 04-01-2016, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by surfar

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ua...18443451,d.dGY

I just read this on the Fuji forum, some interesting tooing and frooing

Pretty lousy article, although the size comparison photos are good.

There is no proof of his IBIS claim.

He had to show photos taken with and without SR to prove his point.

totsmuyco · 04-01-2016, 05:50 AM

True, the size comparison shows minimal or no advantage at all.

Kunzite · 04-01-2016, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by surfar

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ua...18443451,d.dGY

I just read this on the Fuji forum, some interesting tooing and frooing

Soo... a (now) Fuji fan claiming that buying a Sony mirrorless was a "fatal" mistake? Did he die because of it?

And Pentax including their best SR system on the K-1, "as a marketing ploy". Yeah, sure. We have full frame and in-body stabilization working with every lens. They don't. It's as simple as that.

---------- Post added 01-04-16 at 04:56 PM ----------

Originally posted by totsmuyco

True, the size comparison shows minimal or no advantage at all.

I noticed he didn't compare the A7 with the X-pro1/2

Qwntm · 04-02-2016, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

Right now Sony's FF mirrorless has no real direct competitor in that segment of the market. Any company that makes a move on it now and is prepared to fight could do very well out of it, but I can't see Ricoh doing that. Add another mount/lens range in addition to the Q, 645, APS-C and FF K?

A m4/3-style collaboration with the X mount would be great but Fuji don't stand to win much by it. Their cameras are very good, though much less solid than Pentax's DSLRs and their lenses, despite being available for only a short time, are reputed to be among the best of the best. Having Ricoh as a partner wouldn't add a serious volume to the sales so there's no real reason to add them unless they start a concerted effort to gather more even more partners.

And right now Fuji's APS-C mirrorless system has no competition in that market segment either. Fuji has nothing to gain by partnering with Ricoh. And as Fuji's sales have seen a 300% increase over 5 years, during which time everyone else has seen a marked downturn in the market, why would they partner with anyone? Fuji just needs to keep doing what they are doing. Everyday, more and more people realize they hit the sweet spot on many levels.

thibs · 04-02-2016, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Qwntm

And right now Fuji's APS-C mirrorless system has no competition in that market segment either. Fuji has nothing to gain by partnering with Ricoh. And as Fuji's sales have seen a 300% increase over 5 years, during which time everyone else has seen a marked downturn in the market, why would they partner with anyone? Fuji just needs to keep doing what they are doing. Everyday, more and more people realize they hit the sweet spot on many levels.

But if I remember well (hope I'm wrong), Fuji isn't exactly making so much money. Investors only care about the latter though...

starjedi · 04-02-2016, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Qwntm

And right now Fuji's APS-C mirrorless system has no competition in that market segment either. Fuji has nothing to gain by partnering with Ricoh. And as Fuji's sales have seen a 300% increase over 5 years, during which time everyone else has seen a marked downturn in the market, why would they partner with anyone? Fuji just needs to keep doing what they are doing. Everyday, more and more people realize they hit the sweet spot on many levels.

What Fuji did in the past several years indeed is very successful. Lot of APS-C specific lenses are delivered. Their APS-C lens line-up is close to finish and has exceeded Pentax APS-C line-up apparently.

Kunzite · 04-02-2016, 03:35 PM

Fuji, perhaps, made the same mistake as Olympus did back in 2003: cutting their option of a larger sensor. Sure, their marketing is working very, very hard to transform that into an advantage... but on the long term, this might hurt.
So before saying that Fujifilm is a hands down winner, consider the most glaring omission from their APS-C range: an upgrade path

P.S. I'm glad they're selling better now; not long ago, Pentax used to beat them - in Japan - with the Q.

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Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	"The mirrorless revolution is just starting" is a very actual subject; so actual, that you could write an article with the exact same title and subject every year. I bet we'll still hear how "the mirrorless revolution is just starting" (as well as: "soon, mirrorless will replace DSLRs" 5 years from now. The good news? No matter when Ricoh Imaging will (properly) join the mirrorless revolution, they won't be late. After all, the mirrorless revolution would just be starting...

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RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Kunzite The good news? No matter when Ricoh Imaging will (properly) join the mirrorless revolution, they won't be late. After all, the mirrorless revolution would just be starting... I think you are right on this!

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Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	I can't wait for that mirrorless MF.

03-31-2016, 10:12 PM	#127
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,902	Right now Sony's FF mirrorless has no real direct competitor in that segment of the market. Any company that makes a move on it now and is prepared to fight could do very well out of it, but I can't see Ricoh doing that. Add another mount/lens range in addition to the Q, 645, APS-C and FF K? A m4/3-style collaboration with the X mount would be great but Fuji don't stand to win much by it. Their cameras are very good, though much less solid than Pentax's DSLRs and their lenses, despite being available for only a short time, are reputed to be among the best of the best. Having Ricoh as a partner wouldn't add a serious volume to the sales so there's no real reason to add them unless they start a concerted effort to gather more even more partners.

03-31-2016, 10:42 PM	#128
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ua...18443451,d.dGY I just read this on the Fuji forum, some interesting tooing and frooing

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clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by surfar http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ua...18443451,d.dGY I just read this on the Fuji forum, some interesting tooing and frooing Pretty lousy article, although the size comparison photos are good. There is no proof of his IBIS claim. He had to show photos taken with and without SR to prove his point.

04-01-2016, 05:50 AM	#130
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	True, the size comparison shows minimal or no advantage at all.

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Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by surfar http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ua...18443451,d.dGY I just read this on the Fuji forum, some interesting tooing and frooing Soo... a (now) Fuji fan claiming that buying a Sony mirrorless was a "fatal" mistake? Did he die because of it? And Pentax including their best SR system on the K-1, "as a marketing ploy". Yeah, sure. We have full frame and in-body stabilization working with every lens. They don't. It's as simple as that. ---------- Post added 01-04-16 at 04:56 PM ---------- Originally posted by totsmuyco True, the size comparison shows minimal or no advantage at all. I noticed he didn't compare the A7 with the X-pro1/2

04-02-2016, 02:33 PM	#132
Qwntm Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Eastern Oregon Posts: 856	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac Right now Sony's FF mirrorless has no real direct competitor in that segment of the market. Any company that makes a move on it now and is prepared to fight could do very well out of it, but I can't see Ricoh doing that. Add another mount/lens range in addition to the Q, 645, APS-C and FF K? A m4/3-style collaboration with the X mount would be great but Fuji don't stand to win much by it. Their cameras are very good, though much less solid than Pentax's DSLRs and their lenses, despite being available for only a short time, are reputed to be among the best of the best. Having Ricoh as a partner wouldn't add a serious volume to the sales so there's no real reason to add them unless they start a concerted effort to gather more even more partners. And right now Fuji's APS-C mirrorless system has no competition in that market segment either. Fuji has nothing to gain by partnering with Ricoh. And as Fuji's sales have seen a 300% increase over 5 years, during which time everyone else has seen a marked downturn in the market, why would they partner with anyone? Fuji just needs to keep doing what they are doing. Everyday, more and more people realize they hit the sweet spot on many levels.

04-02-2016, 02:56 PM	#133
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Qwntm And right now Fuji's APS-C mirrorless system has no competition in that market segment either. Fuji has nothing to gain by partnering with Ricoh. And as Fuji's sales have seen a 300% increase over 5 years, during which time everyone else has seen a marked downturn in the market, why would they partner with anyone? Fuji just needs to keep doing what they are doing. Everyday, more and more people realize they hit the sweet spot on many levels. But if I remember well (hope I'm wrong), Fuji isn't exactly making so much money. Investors only care about the latter though...

04-02-2016, 03:03 PM	#134
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by Qwntm And right now Fuji's APS-C mirrorless system has no competition in that market segment either. Fuji has nothing to gain by partnering with Ricoh. And as Fuji's sales have seen a 300% increase over 5 years, during which time everyone else has seen a marked downturn in the market, why would they partner with anyone? Fuji just needs to keep doing what they are doing. Everyday, more and more people realize they hit the sweet spot on many levels. What Fuji did in the past several years indeed is very successful. Lot of APS-C specific lenses are delivered. Their APS-C lens line-up is close to finish and has exceeded Pentax APS-C line-up apparently.

04-02-2016, 03:35 PM	#135
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Fuji, perhaps, made the same mistake as Olympus did back in 2003: cutting their option of a larger sensor. Sure, their marketing is working very, very hard to transform that into an advantage... but on the long term, this might hurt. So before saying that Fujifilm is a hands down winner, consider the most glaring omission from their APS-C range: an upgrade path P.S. I'm glad they're selling better now; not long ago, Pentax used to beat them - in Japan - with the Q.