New 645Z with 100MP sensor?

P&HIF · 03-17-2016, 02:01 AM

If that is true I would assume that the new 100 Mpx sensor would be based on the one currently found in the Phase One XF 100MP that was co-developed by Sony. It would make sense as the sensor in the Pentax K-1 is based on the one found in Nikon 800 series - also co-developed by Sony.

Now I know that this is just a rumor and there is currently very little merit to it - but man can dream...

But the sensor is not what I would desire the most in the new 645. I would love to see the SR inbody stabilization. Not necessarily for shake reduction though. I would crave for the Pixel Shift - with 100 Mpx it becomes a really desirable feature. That would IMHO basically make it the best MF camera out there. What do you think?

kenspo · 03-17-2016, 02:19 AM - **1 Like**

Its more then just a rumour, it was told directly to me from Ricoh. BUT, they also said that this doesn't mean they have a camera ready for this sensor. They CAN use it if they need/want to do so. But who knows what they are brainstorming at the HQ in Japan

Zygonyx · 03-17-2016, 02:20 AM

So ken, you won't be fired this time ?

Please carry on informing us

kenspo · 03-17-2016, 02:24 AM

Hehe...nah, I'm safe

Kunzite · 03-17-2016, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Its more then just a rumour, it was told directly to me from Ricoh. BUT, they also said that this doesn't mean they have a camera ready for this sensor. They CAN use it if they need/want to do so. But who knows what they are brainstorming at the HQ in Japan

Let me guess... they are "carefully investigating" and "thinking" they "should do it". The sort of stuff we started hearing from 2012-2013 about the FF?

Probably they're working their butts off to make yet another amazing camera.

kenspo · 03-17-2016, 02:59 AM

Absolutely no idea

hehe..

pathdoc · 03-17-2016, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Absolutely no idea hehe..

We have entered the realm of plausible deniability. Something is definitely going on in those labs.

Once more, though, we have the problem of a name - where do you go after K5, K3, K-1? Where do you go after 645D then Z?

**monochrome** · 03-17-2016, 03:49 AM - **1 Like**

645zII

Kunzite · 03-17-2016, 04:04 AM - **7 Likes**

Let's see... since it has double the number of pixels, I would double the model name/letter (the Z part, as 645 is the mount); and it would be the top model... enter the 645ZZ Top

Sandy Hancock · 03-17-2016, 04:05 AM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by Kunzite

Let's see... since it has double the number of pixels, I would double the model name/letter (the Z part, as 645 is the mount); and it would be the top model... enter the 645ZZ Top

I reckon that idea's got legs.

rawr · 03-17-2016, 04:16 AM

Only 100MP for 645? They need to make pixel-shift work on it to impress.

For by the time any 100MP 645 comes to market, Canikon (and Sony themselves) will probably all have 50MP+ full-frames available.

gazonk · 03-17-2016, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Let's see... since it has double the number of pixels, I would double the model name/letter (the Z part, as 645 is the mount); and it would be the top model... enter the 645ZZ Top

Does it come with a free beard?

---------- Post added 17th Mar 2016 at 12:37 ----------

I think they could build this camera in a relatively short time if they basically make a 645Z with a larger sensor inside. But do they have a processor that gives acceptable performance with a 100mp sensor?

D1N0 · 03-17-2016, 04:38 AM

So Phase One does the hard work with Sony and Ricoh reaps the benefits and puts the sensor in a much cheaper body with FF dslr-like operation. Must have been a Sony effort primarily then.

rlatjsrud · 03-17-2016, 04:46 AM

Can't believe Ricoh/Pentax is planning a new MF with FF sensor...

Mistral75 · 03-17-2016, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

So Phase One does the hard work with Sony and Ricoh reaps the benefits and puts the sensor in a much cheaper body with FF dslr-like operation. Must have been a Sony effort primarily then.

Not only Ricoh. Hasselblad are also said to soon put this sensor in one of their digital backs, a new generation of which is due to be announced any time now.

Originally posted by Karl Taylor:

Just seen the specs for the new 100mp Hasselblad, this thing rocks and from what I understand it's going to be less expensive than the Phase. Can't wait till March to get my hands on one!

Source: https://www.facebook.com/KarlTaylorPhotography/posts/935989906481724

It's definitely a sensor developed by Sony. Phase One might have been of some assistance in the development (early feedback, fine tuning of colour profiles and more) and might enjoy some 'maiden client' privileges but the remaining of their communication around this sensor looks like usual marketing BS.

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03-17-2016, 02:01 AM	#16
P&HIF Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Bratislava Posts: 1	If that is true I would assume that the new 100 Mpx sensor would be based on the one currently found in the Phase One XF 100MP that was co-developed by Sony. It would make sense as the sensor in the Pentax K-1 is based on the one found in Nikon 800 series - also co-developed by Sony. Now I know that this is just a rumor and there is currently very little merit to it - but man can dream... But the sensor is not what I would desire the most in the new 645. I would love to see the SR inbody stabilization. Not necessarily for shake reduction though. I would crave for the Pixel Shift - with 100 Mpx it becomes a really desirable feature. That would IMHO basically make it the best MF camera out there. What do you think?

03-17-2016, 02:19 AM - 1 Like	#17
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Its more then just a rumour, it was told directly to me from Ricoh. BUT, they also said that this doesn't mean they have a camera ready for this sensor. They CAN use it if they need/want to do so. But who knows what they are brainstorming at the HQ in Japan

03-17-2016, 02:20 AM	#18
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	So ken, you won't be fired this time ? Please carry on informing us

03-17-2016, 02:24 AM	#19
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Hehe...nah, I'm safe

03-17-2016, 02:44 AM	#20
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by kenspo Its more then just a rumour, it was told directly to me from Ricoh. BUT, they also said that this doesn't mean they have a camera ready for this sensor. They CAN use it if they need/want to do so. But who knows what they are brainstorming at the HQ in Japan Let me guess... they are "carefully investigating" and "thinking" they "should do it". The sort of stuff we started hearing from 2012-2013 about the FF? Probably they're working their butts off to make yet another amazing camera.

03-17-2016, 02:59 AM	#21
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Absolutely no idea hehe..

03-17-2016, 03:43 AM	#22
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by kenspo Absolutely no idea hehe.. We have entered the realm of plausible deniability. Something is definitely going on in those labs. Once more, though, we have the problem of a name - where do you go after K5, K3, K-1? Where do you go after 645D then Z?

03-17-2016, 03:49 AM - 1 Like	#23
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	645zII

03-17-2016, 04:04 AM - 7 Likes	#24
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Let's see... since it has double the number of pixels, I would double the model name/letter (the Z part, as 645 is the mount); and it would be the top model... enter the 645ZZ Top

03-17-2016, 04:05 AM - 5 Likes	#25
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by Kunzite Let's see... since it has double the number of pixels, I would double the model name/letter (the Z part, as 645 is the mount); and it would be the top model... enter the 645ZZ Top I reckon that idea's got legs.

03-17-2016, 04:16 AM	#26
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Only 100MP for 645? They need to make pixel-shift work on it to impress. For by the time any 100MP 645 comes to market, Canikon (and Sony themselves) will probably all have 50MP+ full-frames available.

03-17-2016, 04:32 AM	#27
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Kunzite Let's see... since it has double the number of pixels, I would double the model name/letter (the Z part, as 645 is the mount); and it would be the top model... enter the 645ZZ Top Does it come with a free beard? ---------- Post added 17th Mar 2016 at 12:37 ---------- I think they could build this camera in a relatively short time if they basically make a 645Z with a larger sensor inside. But do they have a processor that gives acceptable performance with a 100mp sensor?

03-17-2016, 04:38 AM	#28
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	So Phase One does the hard work with Sony and Ricoh reaps the benefits and puts the sensor in a much cheaper body with FF dslr-like operation. Must have been a Sony effort primarily then.

03-17-2016, 04:46 AM	#29
rlatjsrud Guest	Can't believe Ricoh/Pentax is planning a new MF with FF sensor...

03-17-2016, 05:07 AM	#30
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by D1N0 So Phase One does the hard work with Sony and Ricoh reaps the benefits and puts the sensor in a much cheaper body with FF dslr-like operation. Must have been a Sony effort primarily then. Not only Ricoh. Hasselblad are also said to soon put this sensor in one of their digital backs, a new generation of which is due to be announced any time now. Originally posted by Karl Taylor: Just seen the specs for the new 100mp Hasselblad, this thing rocks and from what I understand it's going to be less expensive than the Phase. Can't wait till March to get my hands on one! Source: https://www.facebook.com/KarlTaylorPhotography/posts/935989906481724 It's definitely a sensor developed by Sony. Phase One might have been of some assistance in the development (early feedback, fine tuning of colour profiles and more) and might enjoy some 'maiden client' privileges but the remaining of their communication around this sensor looks like usual marketing BS.