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JPT · 03-17-2016, 05:12 AM

Well, the last 645 lens to be released (upgraded 35mm) covered the full frame. Also you have to wonder how Ricoh plans to differentiate MF from small format going forward, now that the 36mp+pixel shift K-1 exists. Either MF needs pixel shift itself, or a much better/bigger sensor.

D1N0 · 03-17-2016, 05:13 AM - **1 Like**

Ricoh Might do well to develop a cheaper 645z with the current sensor for around $4/5000 (or drop the price on the current one) and a more expensive one with 100mp sensor.

**gaweidert** · 03-17-2016, 05:23 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by gazonk

Does it come with a free beard?

Beard is integral part of design. Really clever too. No more need for a tripod. You just bring a can of spray starch with you. When you get on site, spray the beard and work it into three legs before the starch hardens. When you are done, just soak it to return it to it's natural state where the camera will easily fit into a bag with it's own protective padding already wrapped around it.

This is a game changer for sure. I wish I would have thought of it.

marmaduke · 03-17-2016, 06:09 AM - **1 Like**

it would stand to reason that the way forward is

K1 FF 36 Mpx - 4 fps - 2K €
K1 XT FF (sports and terrain camera) 20 Mpx - 16 fps - 2K €
K3 II APS-c 24 Mpx - 8 fps 1k €
645 Z II 100 Mpx - 3 fps 7K €
K2-S 20 Mpx - 0,5K €
Q & WG 16 Mpx - 0,3K €

Don't forget that they also have binoculars and telescopes...
do check out the industrial output of ricoh, it's so much more.

the range is complete.
No other company has this reach or this offer. bar none...

It"s insane to think that a third tier company far far from close to 50 % market share of the big twin can boast this sort of feat.

A.

starjedi · 03-17-2016, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by marmaduke

it would stand to reason that the way forward is

K1 FF 36 Mpx - 4 fps - 2K €
K1 XT FF (sports and terrain camera) 20 Mpx - 16 fps - 2K €
K3 II APS-c 24 Mpx - 8 fps 1k €
645 Z II 100 Mpx - 3 fps 7K €
K2-S 20 Mpx - 0,5K €
Q & WG 16 Mpx - 0,3K €

Don't forget that they also have binoculars and telescopes...
do check out the industrial output of ricoh, it's so much more.

the range is complete.
No other company has this reach or this offer. bar none...

It"s insane to think that a third tier company far far from close to 50 % market share of the big twin can boast this sort of feat.

A.

I think there is a priority. Apparently, 645 is one of top priority as it is a class leading product. So we can expect two product lines:
645Z 3x4 cropped 645
And 645X/645F 4x5 full 645.

**ffking** · 03-17-2016, 06:47 AM

Roll on 67D

ogl · 03-17-2016, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by marmaduke

K1 XT FF (sports and terrain camera) 20 Mpx - 16 fps - 2K €

Useless dream.

**Fontan** · 03-17-2016, 07:10 AM

I guess we are finally moving in the direction of mirrorless MF.

mee · 03-17-2016, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

I guess we are finally moving in the direction of mirrorless MF.

How do you figure?

pathdoc · 03-17-2016, 08:04 AM

The 645s still have their aperture-reporting arms, don't they? Oh please, Ricoh, please don't drop the ball on this one...

My rule of thumb is that the other makers give photographers what they want; Pentax gives photographers what they need. Hence why the 645Z is such a good deal. If Ricoh keeps up this thing of providing more than acceptable quality plus a few quirky or standout extras and all at killer prices, they will do very well indeed.

D1N0 · 03-17-2016, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Hehe...nah, I'm safe

I sure hope so, because it is now an official rumour: The Next Pentax 645 Medium Format Camera Will Most Liekly Have A 100MP Sony Sensor | Pentax Rumors

FantasticMrFox · 03-17-2016, 09:24 AM - **1 Like**

Very cool. Assuming the price will be similar to that of the 645Z, they are giving PhaseOne and Hasselblad even more of a run

And it makes sense - with FF sensors reaching resolutions of 42 and 50 MP, MF needs to stay ahead.

SylvainB · 03-17-2016, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by FantasticMrFox

Very cool. Assuming the price will be similar to that of the 645Z, they are giving PhaseOne and Hasselblad even more of a run

And it makes sense - with FF sensors reaching resolutions of 42 and 50 MP, MF needs to stay ahead.

645 line is not only about resolution. There is no need to stay ahead of 24x36 sensors because it is just not comparable.

Concerning price, I would' t expect the next MF with 100Mp sensor to be below 12K Euros if it reaches the market. A price ratio "645Z vs 645 100Mp" comparable to "K3 II vs K1" would not be chocking. And it would still be a bargain for that sensor compared to other offers from P1 and Hasselblad (yet to come).

Rupert · 03-17-2016, 10:01 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by gazonk

Does it come with a free beard?

I read every post here...sort of interesting....don't think it means much to me, but it was worth reading. Always good to see Pentax thinking ahead, it seems that under Ricoh it is getting better all the time.

Moving along...I have nothing to contribute but a beard I just recently started.....never had a beard before....sure beats shaving!

Best Regards!

**ffking** · 03-17-2016, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

a beard I just recently started.

very becoming, IMO

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03-17-2016, 05:12 AM	#31
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Well, the last 645 lens to be released (upgraded 35mm) covered the full frame. Also you have to wonder how Ricoh plans to differentiate MF from small format going forward, now that the 36mp+pixel shift K-1 exists. Either MF needs pixel shift itself, or a much better/bigger sensor.

03-17-2016, 05:13 AM - 1 Like	#32
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Ricoh Might do well to develop a cheaper 645z with the current sensor for around $4/5000 (or drop the price on the current one) and a more expensive one with 100mp sensor.

03-17-2016, 05:23 AM - 4 Likes	#33
gaweidert Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,327	Originally posted by gazonk Does it come with a free beard? Beard is integral part of design. Really clever too. No more need for a tripod. You just bring a can of spray starch with you. When you get on site, spray the beard and work it into three legs before the starch hardens. When you are done, just soak it to return it to it's natural state where the camera will easily fit into a bag with it's own protective padding already wrapped around it. This is a game changer for sure. I wish I would have thought of it.

03-17-2016, 06:09 AM - 1 Like	#34
marmaduke Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 27	it would stand to reason that the way forward is K1 FF 36 Mpx - 4 fps - 2K € K1 XT FF (sports and terrain camera) 20 Mpx - 16 fps - 2K € K3 II APS-c 24 Mpx - 8 fps 1k € 645 Z II 100 Mpx - 3 fps 7K € K2-S 20 Mpx - 0,5K € Q & WG 16 Mpx - 0,3K € Don't forget that they also have binoculars and telescopes... do check out the industrial output of ricoh, it's so much more. the range is complete. No other company has this reach or this offer. bar none... It"s insane to think that a third tier company far far from close to 50 % market share of the big twin can boast this sort of feat. A.

03-17-2016, 06:43 AM	#35
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by marmaduke it would stand to reason that the way forward is K1 FF 36 Mpx - 4 fps - 2K € K1 XT FF (sports and terrain camera) 20 Mpx - 16 fps - 2K € K3 II APS-c 24 Mpx - 8 fps 1k € 645 Z II 100 Mpx - 3 fps 7K € K2-S 20 Mpx - 0,5K € Q & WG 16 Mpx - 0,3K € Don't forget that they also have binoculars and telescopes... do check out the industrial output of ricoh, it's so much more. the range is complete. No other company has this reach or this offer. bar none... It"s insane to think that a third tier company far far from close to 50 % market share of the big twin can boast this sort of feat. A. I think there is a priority. Apparently, 645 is one of top priority as it is a class leading product. So we can expect two product lines: 645Z 3x4 cropped 645 And 645X/645F 4x5 full 645.

03-17-2016, 06:47 AM	#36
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,039	Roll on 67D

03-17-2016, 06:58 AM	#37
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by marmaduke K1 XT FF (sports and terrain camera) 20 Mpx - 16 fps - 2K € Useless dream.

03-17-2016, 07:10 AM	#38
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	I guess we are finally moving in the direction of mirrorless MF.

03-17-2016, 07:29 AM	#39
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Fontan I guess we are finally moving in the direction of mirrorless MF. How do you figure?

03-17-2016, 08:04 AM	#40
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	The 645s still have their aperture-reporting arms, don't they? Oh please, Ricoh, please don't drop the ball on this one... My rule of thumb is that the other makers give photographers what they want; Pentax gives photographers what they need. Hence why the 645Z is such a good deal. If Ricoh keeps up this thing of providing more than acceptable quality plus a few quirky or standout extras and all at killer prices, they will do very well indeed.

03-17-2016, 09:17 AM	#41
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by kenspo Hehe...nah, I'm safe I sure hope so, because it is now an official rumour: The Next Pentax 645 Medium Format Camera Will Most Liekly Have A 100MP Sony Sensor \| Pentax Rumors

03-17-2016, 09:24 AM - 1 Like	#42
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Very cool. Assuming the price will be similar to that of the 645Z, they are giving PhaseOne and Hasselblad even more of a run And it makes sense - with FF sensors reaching resolutions of 42 and 50 MP, MF needs to stay ahead.

03-17-2016, 09:35 AM	#43
SylvainB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Paris area Posts: 215	Originally posted by FantasticMrFox Very cool. Assuming the price will be similar to that of the 645Z, they are giving PhaseOne and Hasselblad even more of a run And it makes sense - with FF sensors reaching resolutions of 42 and 50 MP, MF needs to stay ahead. 645 line is not only about resolution. There is no need to stay ahead of 24x36 sensors because it is just not comparable. Concerning price, I would' t expect the next MF with 100Mp sensor to be below 12K Euros if it reaches the market. A price ratio "645Z vs 645 100Mp" comparable to "K3 II vs K1" would not be chocking. And it would still be a bargain for that sensor compared to other offers from P1 and Hasselblad (yet to come).

03-17-2016, 10:01 AM - 2 Likes	#44
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by gazonk Does it come with a free beard? I read every post here...sort of interesting....don't think it means much to me, but it was worth reading. Always good to see Pentax thinking ahead, it seems that under Ricoh it is getting better all the time. Moving along...I have nothing to contribute but a beard I just recently started.....never had a beard before....sure beats shaving! Best Regards!

03-17-2016, 10:03 AM	#45
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,039	Originally posted by Rupert a beard I just recently started. very becoming, IMO

New 645Z with 100MP sensor?

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