Is that a new tele lens?

biz-engineer · 03-24-2016, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by ogl

I don't think that it's too serious problem. There is tripod for such shooting.

You have really good eyes then. I've already used my DA300 with 2x TC, and for me it is really hard to use, only for static subject that allow a long time to frame and focus. 450 f5.6 x2 => 900 f11, that's a challenge. I look forward to see your images posted in the long lens club threat.

Last edited by biz-engineer; 03-24-2016 at 10:09 PM.

ogl · 03-24-2016, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

You have really good eyes then. I've already used my DA300 with 2x TC, and for me it is really hard to use, only for static subject that allow a long time to frame and focus. 450 f5.6 x2 => 900 f11, that's a challenge. I look forward to see your images posted in the long lens club threat.

A* 1200/8 ED [IF]

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/extreme-tele/M2000f13.5.html

How to use this lenses?

Zygonyx · 03-25-2016, 12:20 AM

Just take a big potato bag on your second shoulder

timautin · 03-25-2016, 03:38 AM

Again, I agree with RockvilleBob (just a little correction: $2 Billion divided by 4 is $500,000,000

)

The fun fact is that is seems that in France, albino elephants are not that rare!! O_o

biz-engineer · 03-25-2016, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by RockvilleBob

Granted a minuscule number of the long lenses are Pentax long lenses. If the number is 250,000 then at $8,000 a lens that amounts to $2Billion. Lets say my guess is off by a factor of 4 then it would be $500,000 in telephoto lenses.

Ok, people don't buy a new 500mm lens every year, let's say 1 lens every 10 years. And Pentax has 5% market share. That would mean for Ricoh, 250000/4//10/20 = 312 lenses. For this number, Ricoh would be better of rebadging the Sigma 500 f4.5 .

**Pål Jensen** · 03-25-2016, 05:34 AM

The numbers are way off.
Congregation of wildlife photographers are a US phenomenon; apart from some national parks in Africa (where shorter lenses are more useful). Elsewhere long telephotos have to be carried for chance encounters with wildlife; smaller lenses are preferred. For wildlife super telephotos are used mainly by people working in blinds (with lots of patience); they are few.
Pentax have made 400 560mm lenses. They will probably use a decade or two to sell them all. Pentax may have 5% of the DSLR market, but nowhere near 5% of the super telephoto market.
If there was a big case for new Pentax super telephotos we would have seen them long ago.

timautin · 03-25-2016, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Elsewhere long telephotos have to be carried for chance encounters with wildlife; smaller lenses are preferred. For wildlife super telephotos are used mainly by people working in blinds (with lots of patience); they are few.

Mmh I don't know in Norway, but in France on the forum I'm posting, most wildlife photographers doing decent pictures are using long telephoto lenses (500mm or so).

EDIT: seems like we have found the new endless debate, now that the FF is out

VoiceOfReason · 03-25-2016, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by ogl

A* 1200/8 ED [IF]

M 2000/13.5 Reflex

How to use this lenses?

Send them to me and I'll even do a video showing how.

Kunzite · 03-25-2016, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Pentax have made 400 560mm lenses.

Proof?

Zygonyx · 03-25-2016, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

. For wildlife super telephotos are used mainly by people working in blinds (with lots of patience); they are few.
Pentax have made 400 560mm lenses. They will probably use a decade or two to sell them all. Pentax may have 5% of the DSLR market, but nowhere near 5% of the super telephoto market.
If there was a big case for new Pentax super telephotos we would have seen them long ago.

In countries where hunting is common, you definitely NEED LONG LENSES because game and birds become VERY SHY.

It is different in nordic european countries...

Actually i suspect there are SECRET DEALS btw riffle associations and opticians

**jpzk** · 03-25-2016, 09:11 AM

How about a good modern remake of the 400/5.6 ?
SMC Pentax-A 400mm F5.6 Reviews - A Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database
Has this been discussed here yet?
JP

**Pål Jensen** · 03-25-2016, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

In countries where hunting is common, you definitely NEED LONG LENSES because game and birds become VERY SHY.

They are so shy you need a blind. No way you can get close enough to wildlife around here that a 600mmm is of much use (except for moose but then you won't have that 600mm lens with you

).

---------- Post added 03-25-16 at 05:16 PM ----------

Originally posted by jpzk

How about a good modern remake of the 400/5.6 ?
SMC Pentax-A 400mm F5.6 Reviews - A Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database
Has this been discussed here yet?
JP

Isn't it called 150-450?

timautin · 03-25-2016, 09:39 AM - **1 Like**

-1 for a 400 f/5.6, it would overlap with the 150-450. Would be lighter though, but another focal length / aperture couple is more important IMHO.

**jpzk** · 03-25-2016, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

They are so shy you need a blind. No way you can get close enough to wildlife around here that a 600mmm is of much use (except for moose but then you won't have that 600mm lens with you

).

---------- Post added 03-25-16 at 05:16 PM ----------

Isn't it called 150-450?

I was thinking about a "prime" lens rather than a zoom.
Just a thought for those like me who can't afford a 500mm lens but still do not want a zoom lens.
Would be nice to have a compact 400mm quality prime telephoto lens ... for me anyway !

bertwert · 03-25-2016, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by jpzk

Would be nice to have a compact 400mm quality prime telephoto lens ... for me anyway !

I'd like one, but it'd still be out of my budget for a few years now...

03-24-2016, 10:54 PM	#62
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by biz-engineer You have really good eyes then. I've already used my DA300 with 2x TC, and for me it is really hard to use, only for static subject that allow a long time to frame and focus. 450 f5.6 x2 => 900 f11, that's a challenge. I look forward to see your images posted in the long lens club threat. A* 1200/8 ED [IF] http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/extreme-tele/M2000f13.5.html How to use this lenses? Last edited by ogl; 03-24-2016 at 11:11 PM.

03-25-2016, 05:34 AM	#66
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	The numbers are way off. Congregation of wildlife photographers are a US phenomenon; apart from some national parks in Africa (where shorter lenses are more useful). Elsewhere long telephotos have to be carried for chance encounters with wildlife; smaller lenses are preferred. For wildlife super telephotos are used mainly by people working in blinds (with lots of patience); they are few. Pentax have made 400 560mm lenses. They will probably use a decade or two to sell them all. Pentax may have 5% of the DSLR market, but nowhere near 5% of the super telephoto market. If there was a big case for new Pentax super telephotos we would have seen them long ago. Last edited by Pål Jensen; 03-25-2016 at 05:39 AM.

03-25-2016, 09:15 AM	#72
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Zygonyx In countries where hunting is common, you definitely NEED LONG LENSES because game and birds become VERY SHY. They are so shy you need a blind. No way you can get close enough to wildlife around here that a 600mmm is of much use (except for moose but then you won't have that 600mm lens with you). ---------- Post added 03-25-16 at 05:16 PM ---------- Originally posted by jpzk How about a good modern remake of the 400/5.6 ? SMC Pentax-A 400mm F5.6 Reviews - A Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database Has this been discussed here yet? JP Isn't it called 150-450?

03-25-2016, 09:40 AM	#74
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by Pål Jensen They are so shy you need a blind. No way you can get close enough to wildlife around here that a 600mmm is of much use (except for moose but then you won't have that 600mm lens with you). ---------- Post added 03-25-16 at 05:16 PM ---------- Isn't it called 150-450? I was thinking about a "prime" lens rather than a zoom. Just a thought for those like me who can't afford a 500mm lens but still do not want a zoom lens. Would be nice to have a compact 400mm quality prime telephoto lens ... for me anyway !

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03-24-2016, 10:03 PM	#61
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,239	Originally posted by ogl I don't think that it's too serious problem. There is tripod for such shooting. You have really good eyes then. I've already used my DA300 with 2x TC, and for me it is really hard to use, only for static subject that allow a long time to frame and focus. 450 f5.6 x2 => 900 f11, that's a challenge. I look forward to see your images posted in the long lens club threat. Last edited by biz-engineer; 03-24-2016 at 10:09 PM.

03-25-2016, 12:20 AM	#63
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Just take a big potato bag on your second shoulder

03-25-2016, 03:38 AM	#64
timautin Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 346	Again, I agree with RockvilleBob (just a little correction: $2 Billion divided by 4 is $500,000,000 ) The fun fact is that is seems that in France, albino elephants are not that rare!! O_o

03-25-2016, 04:40 AM	#65
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,239	Originally posted by RockvilleBob Granted a minuscule number of the long lenses are Pentax long lenses. If the number is 250,000 then at $8,000 a lens that amounts to $2Billion. Lets say my guess is off by a factor of 4 then it would be $500,000 in telephoto lenses. Ok, people don't buy a new 500mm lens every year, let's say 1 lens every 10 years. And Pentax has 5% market share. That would mean for Ricoh, 250000/4//10/20 = 312 lenses. For this number, Ricoh would be better of rebadging the Sigma 500 f4.5 .

03-25-2016, 06:59 AM	#67
timautin Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 346	Quote: Elsewhere long telephotos have to be carried for chance encounters with wildlife; smaller lenses are preferred. For wildlife super telephotos are used mainly by people working in blinds (with lots of patience); they are few. Mmh I don't know in Norway, but in France on the forum I'm posting, most wildlife photographers doing decent pictures are using long telephoto lenses (500mm or so). EDIT: seems like we have found the new endless debate, now that the FF is out

03-25-2016, 07:12 AM	#68
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	Originally posted by ogl A* 1200/8 ED [IF] M 2000/13.5 Reflex How to use this lenses? Send them to me and I'll even do a video showing how.

03-25-2016, 07:16 AM	#69
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Pentax have made 400 560mm lenses. Proof?

03-25-2016, 08:12 AM	#70
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Pål Jensen . For wildlife super telephotos are used mainly by people working in blinds (with lots of patience); they are few. Pentax have made 400 560mm lenses. They will probably use a decade or two to sell them all. Pentax may have 5% of the DSLR market, but nowhere near 5% of the super telephoto market. If there was a big case for new Pentax super telephotos we would have seen them long ago. In countries where hunting is common, you definitely NEED LONG LENSES because game and birds become VERY SHY. It is different in nordic european countries... Actually i suspect there are SECRET DEALS btw riffle associations and opticians

03-25-2016, 09:11 AM	#71
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	How about a good modern remake of the 400/5.6 ? SMC Pentax-A 400mm F5.6 Reviews - A Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database Has this been discussed here yet? JP

03-25-2016, 09:39 AM - 1 Like	#73
timautin Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 346	-1 for a 400 f/5.6, it would overlap with the 150-450. Would be lighter though, but another focal length / aperture couple is more important IMHO.

03-25-2016, 09:47 AM	#75
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	Originally posted by jpzk Would be nice to have a compact 400mm quality prime telephoto lens ... for me anyway ! I'd like one, but it'd still be out of my budget for a few years now...