I am betting on FF in September

benjikan · 07-09-2008, 09:21 AM

I am betting on a FF Pentax in September....Not a lot of money but I have this sixth sense about these sorts of things and my intuition says between 24-28 mega pixels. Under 3k € and 100 to 6400 iso. Three to Five FPS...........

Ben

Peter Zack · 07-09-2008, 09:22 AM

Now you've done it Ben.

Gooshin · 07-09-2008, 09:25 AM

what about a lens selection to go along with it?

benjikan · 07-09-2008, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

what about a lens selection to go along with it?

I'll bet an arsenal is in the works...

Ben

**monochrome** · 07-09-2008, 09:33 AM

Maybe I should just hang on to the "K" glass on my For Sale table?

Gooshin · 07-09-2008, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

I'll bet an arsenal is in the works...

Ben

they have the 60-250 canned for over a year

they will (probably) never attempt an agressive super-wide angle lens like 10-20 F2.8 or something.

they will most definetly never bother making aggressive lenses in the F1.2 category (i mean come on, why are the FA limiteds only 1.8? seriously)

their abandonment of the FA Line philosophy (20 F2.8, 35 F2, etc etc) over to the DA Primes of ridiculous speeds to me is a weird approach, (sure they are small, but its not like you can put this camera in your jean pocket anyway)

they are making lenses without any real focus or path

and yet you feel confident that they will make PRO level Full Frame glass by the end of september? come on!

Ed in GA · 07-09-2008, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

what about a lens selection to go along with it?

This is my thought also.

There are no Lens on the current developement roadmap that would lend credence to any speculation of Pentax developing, and marketing, a DSLR with a FF Sensor.

All of the DA and DA* lens are optimized for the currents aps-c sensor.

They could, of course, re-introduce the entire line of FA and FA* lenses but I personally don't see that happening.

benjikan · 07-09-2008, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Ed in GA

This is my thought also.

There are no Lens on the current developement roadmap that would lend credence to any speculation of Pentax developing, and marketing, a DSLR with a FF Sensor.

All of the DA and DA* lens are optimized for the currents aps-c sensor.

They could, of course, re-introduce the entire line of FA and FA* lenses but I personally don't see that happening.

Hey, I could be wrong. Just my gut feeling and other stuff.

Ben

dkittle · 07-09-2008, 09:55 AM

Well, I'm desperately hoping that they'll keep their efforts on the 60-250mm :-)

On the other hand, if Pentax is reconsidering it's market position (re FF) all of a sudden, they might be rushing something to market with the idea of rebadging some FF lenses as a stopgap. Common, they couldn't go wrong with rebadging the Tamron 28-75mm and the new 70-200mm is supposed to be ok too (though I've seen no real reviews of it yet)... FA ltds are still available (ya, 1.8 is 'slow' but they still give a good rendering even on the K20D) and there is the 50mm 1.4, 35mm f/2 and the 40mm too.

They'd just need a 'kit lens' and they could survive an initial launch of a FF product.

**Pål Jensen** · 07-09-2008, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

I'll bet an arsenal is in the works...

Ben

That would explain the recent delays of new lenses....

MrApollinax · 07-09-2008, 10:06 AM

Can someone help explain this to me?

1. A lens' focal length is measured in terms of it's distance from the sensore/film plane correct?
2. FF lenses are designed so that the projected circle of light is optimzed to make contact with the full sensor/film frame correct?
3. DA lens' projected circle of light is smaller due to the size of the digital sensor correct?

So now I am just thinking out loud using my 1st grade experience of what happens to sunlight as I move a magnifying glass closer and farther away from a dry leaf. Usually the type of optics I deal with are the laser variety...

Why not design a body that allows for the movement of the sensor plane to be closer to the lens mount when a DA lens is attached to achieve the same size circle of light as a FF lens? Obviously the body would need to be larger and you may need a special viewfinder to have the correct adjustment for focus but is there a reason why this wouldn't work?

Again this is coming from my very basic novice understanding of SLRs in general so if I am way off base please do not flame me, please just tell me why it wouldn't work so I learn something new today

falconeye · 07-09-2008, 10:07 AM

I share Ben's feeling here.

I mean, hey, we know that Samsung wants to go FF anyway. But now, 4 of the 5 major vendors have a clear enthusiast format roadmap:
5DmkII, D700, Alpha900: FF
E3: FourThirds (they can't go FF).

Pentax is now left alone and it would be fatal to not communicate a clear format roadmap to their enthusiast user base. And to say APS-C here would be taken as a non statement. So, what else can they do?

So, they will announce FF-something in September. If however, they will be able to deliver before 2nd half of 2009 is another story...

**Pål Jensen** · 07-09-2008, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Ed in GA

This is my thought also.

There are no Lens on the current developement roadmap that would lend credence to any speculation of Pentax developing, and marketing, a DSLR with a FF Sensor.

Are you sure? The DA* 60-250/4 ED IF is full frame; at least it was on the first roadmap!

The DA* 55/1.4 is almost certainly a replacement for the old 50/1.4; is there any point in not making such a lens FF?

The DA* 30mm is suspicioulsy close the the FA 31/1.8 Limited, which is full frame. My guess is that it is the limited lens in weather sealed DA* guise and markedet as DA* 30/1.8. The old FA Limiteds are almost certainly on their way out as they are hand made in Japan and I'll guess that Pentax will want to move all their lens production to Vietnam. And then theres all the lenses NOT on the roadmap

Just my guess though....

falconeye · 07-09-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by MrApollinax

what happens to sunlight as I move a magnifying glass closer and farther away from a dry leaf. [...] is there a reason why this wouldn't work?

Apollinax, yes, there is a reason.

You hold your magnifying glass at a fixed distance to a dry leaf, otherwise it won't burn. This fixed distance is the focal length. Every lens has it. The sensor must be at this exact distance. If you move it, the image will defocus.

oxford_artist · 07-09-2008, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

I share Ben's feeling here.

I mean, hey, we know that Samsung wants to go FF anyway. But now, 4 of the 5 major vendors have a clear enthusiast format roadmap:
5DmkII, D700, Alpha900: FF
E3: FourThirds (they can't go FF).

Pentax is now left alone and it would be fatal to not communicate a clear format roadmap to their enthusiast user base. And to say APS-C here would be taken as a non statement. So, what else can they do?

So, they will announce FF-something in September. If however, they will be able to deliver before 2nd half of 2009 is another story...

Me too, meaning I agree with Ben and falconeye AND the camera will be a "me too". Pentax will have to have a professional's digital camera if they want to underline their seriousness as a camera maker, especially if they could be overtaken by Samsung if they don't.

07-09-2008, 09:21 AM	#1
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	I am betting on FF in September I am betting on a FF Pentax in September....Not a lot of money but I have this sixth sense about these sorts of things and my intuition says between 24-28 mega pixels. Under 3k € and 100 to 6400 iso. Three to Five FPS........... Ben

07-09-2008, 10:13 AM	#13
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Ed in GA This is my thought also. There are no Lens on the current developement roadmap that would lend credence to any speculation of Pentax developing, and marketing, a DSLR with a FF Sensor. Are you sure? The DA* 60-250/4 ED IF is full frame; at least it was on the first roadmap! The DA* 55/1.4 is almost certainly a replacement for the old 50/1.4; is there any point in not making such a lens FF? The DA* 30mm is suspicioulsy close the the FA 31/1.8 Limited, which is full frame. My guess is that it is the limited lens in weather sealed DA* guise and markedet as DA* 30/1.8. The old FA Limiteds are almost certainly on their way out as they are hand made in Japan and I'll guess that Pentax will want to move all their lens production to Vietnam. And then theres all the lenses NOT on the roadmap Just my guess though.... Last edited by Pål Jensen; 07-09-2008 at 10:30 AM.

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07-09-2008, 09:22 AM	#2
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Now you've done it Ben.

07-09-2008, 09:25 AM	#3
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	what about a lens selection to go along with it?

07-09-2008, 09:27 AM	#4
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by Gooshin what about a lens selection to go along with it? I'll bet an arsenal is in the works... Ben

07-09-2008, 09:33 AM	#5
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Maybe I should just hang on to the "K" glass on my For Sale table?

07-09-2008, 09:35 AM	#6
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by benjikan I'll bet an arsenal is in the works... Ben they have the 60-250 canned for over a year they will (probably) never attempt an agressive super-wide angle lens like 10-20 F2.8 or something. they will most definetly never bother making aggressive lenses in the F1.2 category (i mean come on, why are the FA limiteds only 1.8? seriously) their abandonment of the FA Line philosophy (20 F2.8, 35 F2, etc etc) over to the DA Primes of ridiculous speeds to me is a weird approach, (sure they are small, but its not like you can put this camera in your jean pocket anyway) they are making lenses without any real focus or path and yet you feel confident that they will make PRO level Full Frame glass by the end of september? come on!

07-09-2008, 09:45 AM	#7
Ed in GA Guest	Originally posted by Gooshin what about a lens selection to go along with it? This is my thought also. There are no Lens on the current developement roadmap that would lend credence to any speculation of Pentax developing, and marketing, a DSLR with a FF Sensor. All of the DA and DA* lens are optimized for the currents aps-c sensor. They could, of course, re-introduce the entire line of FA and FA* lenses but I personally don't see that happening.

07-09-2008, 09:49 AM	#8
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by Ed in GA This is my thought also. There are no Lens on the current developement roadmap that would lend credence to any speculation of Pentax developing, and marketing, a DSLR with a FF Sensor. All of the DA and DA* lens are optimized for the currents aps-c sensor. They could, of course, re-introduce the entire line of FA and FA* lenses but I personally don't see that happening. Hey, I could be wrong. Just my gut feeling and other stuff. Ben

07-09-2008, 09:55 AM	#9
dkittle Inactive Account Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 429	Well, I'm desperately hoping that they'll keep their efforts on the 60-250mm :-) On the other hand, if Pentax is reconsidering it's market position (re FF) all of a sudden, they might be rushing something to market with the idea of rebadging some FF lenses as a stopgap. Common, they couldn't go wrong with rebadging the Tamron 28-75mm and the new 70-200mm is supposed to be ok too (though I've seen no real reviews of it yet)... FA ltds are still available (ya, 1.8 is 'slow' but they still give a good rendering even on the K20D) and there is the 50mm 1.4, 35mm f/2 and the 40mm too. They'd just need a 'kit lens' and they could survive an initial launch of a FF product.

07-09-2008, 10:04 AM	#10
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by benjikan I'll bet an arsenal is in the works... Ben That would explain the recent delays of new lenses....

07-09-2008, 10:06 AM	#11
MrApollinax Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,529	Can someone help explain this to me? 1. A lens' focal length is measured in terms of it's distance from the sensore/film plane correct? 2. FF lenses are designed so that the projected circle of light is optimzed to make contact with the full sensor/film frame correct? 3. DA lens' projected circle of light is smaller due to the size of the digital sensor correct? So now I am just thinking out loud using my 1st grade experience of what happens to sunlight as I move a magnifying glass closer and farther away from a dry leaf. Usually the type of optics I deal with are the laser variety... Why not design a body that allows for the movement of the sensor plane to be closer to the lens mount when a DA lens is attached to achieve the same size circle of light as a FF lens? Obviously the body would need to be larger and you may need a special viewfinder to have the correct adjustment for focus but is there a reason why this wouldn't work? Again this is coming from my very basic novice understanding of SLRs in general so if I am way off base please do not flame me, please just tell me why it wouldn't work so I learn something new today

07-09-2008, 10:07 AM	#12
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	I share Ben's feeling here. I mean, hey, we know that Samsung wants to go FF anyway. But now, 4 of the 5 major vendors have a clear enthusiast format roadmap: 5DmkII, D700, Alpha900: FF E3: FourThirds (they can't go FF). Pentax is now left alone and it would be fatal to not communicate a clear format roadmap to their enthusiast user base. And to say APS-C here would be taken as a non statement. So, what else can they do? So, they will announce FF-something in September. If however, they will be able to deliver before 2nd half of 2009 is another story...

07-09-2008, 10:16 AM	#14
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by MrApollinax what happens to sunlight as I move a magnifying glass closer and farther away from a dry leaf. [...] is there a reason why this wouldn't work? Apollinax, yes, there is a reason. You hold your magnifying glass at a fixed distance to a dry leaf, otherwise it won't burn. This fixed distance is the focal length. Every lens has it. The sensor must be at this exact distance. If you move it, the image will defocus.

07-09-2008, 10:17 AM	#15
oxford_artist Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 32	Originally posted by falconeye I share Ben's feeling here. I mean, hey, we know that Samsung wants to go FF anyway. But now, 4 of the 5 major vendors have a clear enthusiast format roadmap: 5DmkII, D700, Alpha900: FF E3: FourThirds (they can't go FF). Pentax is now left alone and it would be fatal to not communicate a clear format roadmap to their enthusiast user base. And to say APS-C here would be taken as a non statement. So, what else can they do? So, they will announce FF-something in September. If however, they will be able to deliver before 2nd half of 2009 is another story... Me too, meaning I agree with Ben and falconeye AND the camera will be a "me too". Pentax will have to have a professional's digital camera if they want to underline their seriousness as a camera maker, especially if they could be overtaken by Samsung if they don't.