I am betting on FF in September

benjikan · 07-10-2008, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by JohnV3

I think that Pentax needs a FF as soon as posible in order to be a serious contender in the marketplace even if they sell only a few and lose money on it. The availability of a FF means "we are 'Pro' also" and subsequently will boost the sales of other models if they can break loose some heavy advertising money. The two leading monikers are plastered all over the place and overwhelmingly influence the average consumer.

Ditto!!!

Thanks
Ben

bobrapp · 07-10-2008, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by *isteve

Do you mean announce one (like the 645D) or actually release one in September?

I'm happy to bet they wont release a FF camera in September. How much?

For me, it would be a sad day! As I have stated before, my NEXT camera will be FF period.

Cheers,

Sam · 07-10-2008, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

A Pair of Latex Panties and a Jar of Vaseline...

Ben

Would this mean that you are currently alpha/beta testing such a camera, or that would be telling?

Cheers!
Sam

zntgrg · 07-10-2008, 04:02 AM

To me....same sensor, different bodies and different scopes: Samsung goes 35mm FF with K mount, Pentax with cropped medium format....645D ressurected, with 4/5 lenses ready.

Samsung faces Canikon, Pentax faces digital backs world.

ogl · 07-10-2008, 04:22 AM

What about BODY of new camera?

Erasmo · 07-10-2008, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by ogl

What about BODY of new camera?

Perhaps similair to the MZ-D:

Jodokast96 · 07-10-2008, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Erasmo

Perhaps similair to the MZ-D:

I'd say keep it as close to what they have as possible. Maybe bring a few of the things out of the Fn menu and onto the body, while bringing a few other things out of the regular menu and into the Fn menu. And even though an integrated grip is a sign of a "pro" body, Pentax has designed their grips pretty well, so keep the flexabilty a seperate grip gives you. Just add an AF button to it already (doesn't matter to me personally, but I really do feel for those that use it) and some way to let you also change the ISO. While I can reach the Ok button now, I imagine most people have smaller hands than I do.

Entropy · 07-10-2008, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by Fototim

Not Tokina glass, glass co deloped by Pentax and Tokina. Besides that nit, you are basically right about the past.

But, does that imply that Scheider is dead as a glass developer and manufactorer?

Nope, just like I'm fairly certain a number of Sony's "Zeiss" lenses just have the Zeiss name on them (licensing/branding) but not made by Zeiss and don't have Zeiss quality. Zeiss is by no means dead!

Gooshin · 07-10-2008, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by Entropy

Nope, just like I'm fairly certain a number of Sony's "Zeiss" lenses just have the Zeiss name on them (licensing/branding) but not made by Zeiss and don't have Zeiss quality. Zeiss is by no means dead!

Zeiss might as well be dead,

is it really that hard to make advanced fully mechanized lenses?

Gooshin · 07-10-2008, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by Erasmo

Perhaps similair to the MZ-D:

why must a pro-body be big enough to use as a coffee table?

**rparmar** · 07-10-2008, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

why must a pro-body be big enough to use as a coffee table?

So you can use it to produce coffee table books?

Gooshin · 07-10-2008, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by rparmar

So you can use it to produce coffee table books?

you mean it will come with a built in printer?

creampuff · 07-10-2008, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

Zeiss might as well be dead,

is it really that hard to make advanced fully mechanized lenses?

No... the key issue is production cost.
Germany, like Japan, has a very high labour cost. To take the example of Japan, a lot of precision manufacturing that used to be in Japan have been relocated in lower cost Asian countries.

Sony's Zeiss lenses are definitely not made in Germany and Sony never publicly says where the lenses are made, just the phrase that the lenses are made to Zeiss standards.

Even Schneider's B+W filters have different quality versions. There are the more expensive brass ring ones and the newer ones are now made with aluminium (lighter in weight) and are reputedly being manufactured by Hoya and China made.

In a globalized market of OEM manufacturing, this is a common thing nowadays. Zeiss, Leica, Schneider all lend their brand name to lots of products that are certainly not made in Germany.

creampuff · 07-10-2008, 07:48 AM

BTW, dyxum reports that Sony's FF A900 has already been spotted being field tested in... Canada

Got spy pictures too...

So the FF race is definitely on. I'm certainly looking forward to Pentax launching their own FF camera. It will happen sooner or later.

robgo2 · 07-10-2008, 09:58 AM

Who, exactly, would be the target market for a 25MP FF Pentax? Few hobbyists, even uber-enthusiasts are likely to buy one, because of the cost, if nothing else. Does Pentax believe that they can compete with Nikon and Canon for a share of the professional market? That would be a highly risky venture, IMO, especially without a solid range of lenses, accessories and support services in place. Perhaps, Pentax would see such a camera as a loss leader, something to garner attention in the marketplace and provide technological advances that could be incorporated into cameras farther down the ladder.

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07-10-2008, 02:49 AM	#61
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by JohnV3 I think that Pentax needs a FF as soon as posible in order to be a serious contender in the marketplace even if they sell only a few and lose money on it. The availability of a FF means "we are 'Pro' also" and subsequently will boost the sales of other models if they can break loose some heavy advertising money. The two leading monikers are plastered all over the place and overwhelmingly influence the average consumer. Ditto!!! Thanks Ben

07-10-2008, 02:51 AM	#62
bobrapp Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Grand Junction Colorado Posts: 209	Originally posted by *isteve Do you mean announce one (like the 645D) or actually release one in September? I'm happy to bet they wont release a FF camera in September. How much? For me, it would be a sad day! As I have stated before, my NEXT camera will be FF period. Cheers,

07-10-2008, 03:30 AM	#63
Sam New Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 19	Originally posted by benjikan A Pair of Latex Panties and a Jar of Vaseline... Ben Would this mean that you are currently alpha/beta testing such a camera, or that would be telling? Cheers! Sam

07-10-2008, 04:02 AM	#64
zntgrg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Verona, Italy Posts: 202	To me....same sensor, different bodies and different scopes: Samsung goes 35mm FF with K mount, Pentax with cropped medium format....645D ressurected, with 4/5 lenses ready. Samsung faces Canikon, Pentax faces digital backs world.

07-10-2008, 04:22 AM	#65
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	What about BODY of new camera?

07-10-2008, 05:12 AM	#66
Erasmo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 191	Originally posted by ogl What about BODY of new camera? Perhaps similair to the MZ-D:

07-10-2008, 05:43 AM	#67
Jodokast96 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Erial, NJ USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,134	Originally posted by Erasmo Perhaps similair to the MZ-D: I'd say keep it as close to what they have as possible. Maybe bring a few of the things out of the Fn menu and onto the body, while bringing a few other things out of the regular menu and into the Fn menu. And even though an integrated grip is a sign of a "pro" body, Pentax has designed their grips pretty well, so keep the flexabilty a seperate grip gives you. Just add an AF button to it already (doesn't matter to me personally, but I really do feel for those that use it) and some way to let you also change the ISO. While I can reach the Ok button now, I imagine most people have smaller hands than I do.

07-10-2008, 06:40 AM	#68
Entropy Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 976	Originally posted by Fototim Not Tokina glass, glass co deloped by Pentax and Tokina. Besides that nit, you are basically right about the past. But, does that imply that Scheider is dead as a glass developer and manufactorer? Nope, just like I'm fairly certain a number of Sony's "Zeiss" lenses just have the Zeiss name on them (licensing/branding) but not made by Zeiss and don't have Zeiss quality. Zeiss is by no means dead!

07-10-2008, 06:54 AM	#69
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by Entropy Nope, just like I'm fairly certain a number of Sony's "Zeiss" lenses just have the Zeiss name on them (licensing/branding) but not made by Zeiss and don't have Zeiss quality. Zeiss is by no means dead! Zeiss might as well be dead, is it really that hard to make advanced fully mechanized lenses?

07-10-2008, 06:56 AM	#70
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by Erasmo Perhaps similair to the MZ-D: why must a pro-body be big enough to use as a coffee table?

07-10-2008, 07:38 AM	#71
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,823	Originally posted by Gooshin why must a pro-body be big enough to use as a coffee table? So you can use it to produce coffee table books?

07-10-2008, 07:40 AM	#72
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by rparmar So you can use it to produce coffee table books? you mean it will come with a built in printer?

07-10-2008, 07:42 AM	#73
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	Originally posted by Gooshin Zeiss might as well be dead, is it really that hard to make advanced fully mechanized lenses? No... the key issue is production cost. Germany, like Japan, has a very high labour cost. To take the example of Japan, a lot of precision manufacturing that used to be in Japan have been relocated in lower cost Asian countries. Sony's Zeiss lenses are definitely not made in Germany and Sony never publicly says where the lenses are made, just the phrase that the lenses are made to Zeiss standards. Even Schneider's B+W filters have different quality versions. There are the more expensive brass ring ones and the newer ones are now made with aluminium (lighter in weight) and are reputedly being manufactured by Hoya and China made. In a globalized market of OEM manufacturing, this is a common thing nowadays. Zeiss, Leica, Schneider all lend their brand name to lots of products that are certainly not made in Germany.

07-10-2008, 07:48 AM	#74
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	BTW, dyxum reports that Sony's FF A900 has already been spotted being field tested in... Canada Got spy pictures too... So the FF race is definitely on. I'm certainly looking forward to Pentax launching their own FF camera. It will happen sooner or later.

07-10-2008, 09:58 AM	#75
robgo2 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Mexico Photos: Albums Posts: 1,125	Who, exactly, would be the target market for a 25MP FF Pentax? Few hobbyists, even uber-enthusiasts are likely to buy one, because of the cost, if nothing else. Does Pentax believe that they can compete with Nikon and Canon for a share of the professional market? That would be a highly risky venture, IMO, especially without a solid range of lenses, accessories and support services in place. Perhaps, Pentax would see such a camera as a loss leader, something to garner attention in the marketplace and provide technological advances that could be incorporated into cameras farther down the ladder.