I am betting on FF in September

**GaryM** · 08-01-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by MikePerham

I suspect the K20D was the interim model ....It is largely based on the K10D but with the new sensor. I skipped the K20D in the hope that a higher specked model would be introduced, I would be quite happy if it retained the same sensor.

I am sure that they need that higher specked model ...something in the same league as Nikon's D300. While you may argue that the K20D competes, it may in IQ but not in technical spec's and Pentax need to show that they are in the game. To my thinking that (a D300 class model) would be more important than introducing a FF camera in terms of establishing the market share they are seeking.

Mike.

I agree with this. For all the talk about FF, I can't believe that the Pentax community wouldn't be absolutely *ecstatic* about a K20D successor that had a high fps speed and an autofocus sytem on par with the D300. And that body would be a vastly better market performer than a FF body as well, IMHO, since Pentax already has a pretty damn good APS-C lens lineup - especially when the DA*60-250 gets released.

Shashinki · 08-01-2008, 04:11 PM

I'm wondering.. how are they supposed to implement SR on FF? The image circle of the lenses are barely big enough to cover the sensor as it is, what is going to happen when it starts moving all over the place? (sorry if this has been discussed before)

They can't really make a smaller, "almost" FF sensor... they would never get a good wide-angle then. There's no really wide FF lens in their lineup if they start coming out with 1,1/1,2 cropped sensors.

The answer would be either introduce a whole new range of FF lenses that cover a big enough image circle to be able to work with SR on FF sensors (how much money is that going to cost them??!), or they could have some sort of "cropped" SR mode that is enabled when SR is on and FF when SR is off.

You always have lenses with stabilisation in them, but I can't really see that happening...

Is this a real problem, or do you think that there will be no problem with SR on FF Pentax cameras?

(I sure as wouldn't like to see N&C with their 14mm lenses on FF when the widest thing Pentax could make was the FF equivalent of a 17/18mm. With SR of course but still...)

Any thoughts/other solutions?

**Pål Jensen** · 08-01-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by GaryM

I agree with this. For all the talk about FF, I can't believe that the Pentax community wouldn't be absolutely *ecstatic* about a K20D successor that had a high fps speed and an autofocus sytem on par with the D300. And that body would be a vastly better market performer than a FF body as well, IMHO, since Pentax already has a pretty damn good APS-C lens lineup - especially when the DA*60-250 gets released.

A K20D sucessor would likely fit that describtion. But right now, such a camera would not make the kind of impact that would place Pentax firmly on the map; thats whats needed.

**Pål Jensen** · 08-01-2008, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Shashinki

Is this a real problem, or do you think that there will be no problem with SR on FF Pentax cameras?
?

No problem. Already patented for Pentax FF cameras. Besides, a couple of sources say in this thread that new FF lenses are in the works.
I'm sure the Pentax FF will have SR; it is one of Pentax best selling point over Nikon and Canon.

ricardobeat · 08-01-2008, 08:32 PM

We're getting close.. any expectations for further price drops? BH is selling the K20D for U$1099 already.

philmorley · 08-01-2008, 11:10 PM

re price drop, I was going to skip the k20d but grabbed one out of hong kong for US$940 with conversion to $au it was $1002 to the door I couldn't resist

re ff / pro apsc. I think there is the demand for both and sadly pentax need about 6 or 7 cameras on the market to keep (almost) everyone happy

I think it will happen but it will take another 18 months.

ogl · 08-02-2008, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by Shashinki

I'm wondering.. how are they supposed to implement SR on FF? The image circle of the lenses are barely big enough to cover the sensor as it is, what is going to happen when it starts moving all over the place? (sorry if this has been discussed before)

They can't really make a smaller, "almost" FF sensor... they would never get a good wide-angle then. There's no really wide FF lens in their lineup if they start coming out with 1,1/1,2 cropped sensors.

The answer would be either introduce a whole new range of FF lenses that cover a big enough image circle to be able to work with SR on FF sensors (how much money is that going to cost them??!), or they could have some sort of "cropped" SR mode that is enabled when SR is on and FF when SR is off.

You always have lenses with stabilisation in them, but I can't really see that happening...

Is this a real problem, or do you think that there will be no problem with SR on FF Pentax cameras?

(I sure as wouldn't like to see N&C with their 14mm lenses on FF when the widest thing Pentax could make was the FF equivalent of a 17/18mm. With SR of course but still...)

Any thoughts/other solutions?

to make 0.5 mm smaller FF sensor is not the problem

deejjjaaaa · 08-02-2008, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by ricardobeat

We're getting close.. any expectations for further price drops? BH is selling the K20D for U$1099 already.

I got new K20D body for... USD $650

**Ash** · 08-02-2008, 12:54 PM

And how did you manage that deejjjaaaa?

benjikan · 08-03-2008, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Ash

And how did you manage that deejjjaaaa?

It was a special "Fell Off the Truck" Price!

deejjjaaaa · 08-03-2008, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Ash

And how did you manage that deejjjaaaa?

well, because I happen to be in the USA... and evil Microsoft was running
a promotion like up to 25% (even 35%) cash back if you buy on ebay and pay with paypal after you do a search using live.com for an item (any item - just click the cashback link
to go to ebay from live.com)... and there are dealers ("dealers") who sell new K20Ds on ebay... so
~$1038 - 25% (up to $250, so it is $250 in this case) - $100 rebate - credit card cash back... voila, you have new K20D body for... ~$650...

deejjjaaaa · 08-03-2008, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

It was a special "Fell Off the Truck" Price!

nice try

Kguru · 08-03-2008, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by deejjjaaaa

~$1038 - 25% (up to $250, so it is $250 in this case) - $100 rebate - credit card cash back... voila, you have new K20D body for... ~$650...

Counting your chickens before they hatch ... wait till you receive the cashbacks in hand first

deejjjaaaa · 08-03-2008, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Kguru

Counting your chickens before they hatch ... wait till you receive the cashbacks in hand first

well I checked my account on live.com - all microsoft cashbacks (from K20D and lenses) were reported by ebay/paypal as promised and in exact amounts... as for Pentax - I never had issues w/ their rebates (on previous 2 cameras and on flash) - so I am not concerned about that either... so do not feel envy - be proud that you paid the full price

kenyee · 08-03-2008, 01:28 PM

That cashback thing is dead for now though ;-)
I had thought about doing that as well, but the September KxD body has me on the fence :-)

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08-01-2008, 03:42 PM	#286
GaryM Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Montclair, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 426	Originally posted by MikePerham I suspect the K20D *was* the interim model ....It is largely based on the K10D but with the new sensor. I skipped the K20D in the hope that a higher specked model would be introduced, I would be quite happy if it retained the same sensor. I am sure that they need that higher specked model ...something in the same league as Nikon's D300. While you may argue that the K20D competes, it may in IQ but not in technical spec's and Pentax need to show that they are in the game. To my thinking that (a D300 class model) would be more important than introducing a FF camera in terms of establishing the market share they are seeking. Mike. I agree with this. For all the talk about FF, I can't believe that the Pentax community wouldn't be absolutely ecstatic about a K20D successor that had a high fps speed and an autofocus sytem on par with the D300. And that body would be a vastly better market performer than a FF body as well, IMHO, since Pentax already has a pretty damn good APS-C lens lineup - especially when the DA*60-250 gets released.

08-01-2008, 04:11 PM	#287
Shashinki Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 355	I'm wondering.. how are they supposed to implement SR on FF? The image circle of the lenses are barely big enough to cover the sensor as it is, what is going to happen when it starts moving all over the place? (sorry if this has been discussed before) They can't really make a smaller, "almost" FF sensor... they would never get a good wide-angle then. There's no really wide FF lens in their lineup if they start coming out with 1,1/1,2 cropped sensors. The answer would be either introduce a whole new range of FF lenses that cover a big enough image circle to be able to work with SR on FF sensors (how much money is that going to cost them??!), or they could have some sort of "cropped" SR mode that is enabled when SR is on and FF when SR is off. You always have lenses with stabilisation in them, but I can't really see that happening... Is this a real problem, or do you think that there will be no problem with SR on FF Pentax cameras? (I sure as wouldn't like to see N&C with their 14mm lenses on FF when the widest thing Pentax could make was the FF equivalent of a 17/18mm. With SR of course but still...) Any thoughts/other solutions?

08-01-2008, 04:54 PM	#288
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by GaryM I agree with this. For all the talk about FF, I can't believe that the Pentax community wouldn't be absolutely ecstatic about a K20D successor that had a high fps speed and an autofocus sytem on par with the D300. And that body would be a vastly better market performer than a FF body as well, IMHO, since Pentax already has a pretty damn good APS-C lens lineup - especially when the DA*60-250 gets released. A K20D sucessor would likely fit that describtion. But right now, such a camera would not make the kind of impact that would place Pentax firmly on the map; thats whats needed.

08-01-2008, 04:57 PM	#289
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Shashinki Is this a real problem, or do you think that there will be no problem with SR on FF Pentax cameras? ? No problem. Already patented for Pentax FF cameras. Besides, a couple of sources say in this thread that new FF lenses are in the works. I'm sure the Pentax FF will have SR; it is one of Pentax best selling point over Nikon and Canon.

08-01-2008, 08:32 PM	#290
ricardobeat Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brazil Posts: 376	We're getting close.. any expectations for further price drops? BH is selling the K20D for U$1099 already.

08-01-2008, 11:10 PM	#291
philmorley Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: in a house in Armidale, Australia Posts: 472	re price drop, I was going to skip the k20d but grabbed one out of hong kong for US$940 with conversion to $au it was $1002 to the door I couldn't resist re ff / pro apsc. I think there is the demand for both and sadly pentax need about 6 or 7 cameras on the market to keep (almost) everyone happy I think it will happen but it will take another 18 months.

08-02-2008, 08:39 AM	#292
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Shashinki I'm wondering.. how are they supposed to implement SR on FF? The image circle of the lenses are barely big enough to cover the sensor as it is, what is going to happen when it starts moving all over the place? (sorry if this has been discussed before) They can't really make a smaller, "almost" FF sensor... they would never get a good wide-angle then. There's no really wide FF lens in their lineup if they start coming out with 1,1/1,2 cropped sensors. The answer would be either introduce a whole new range of FF lenses that cover a big enough image circle to be able to work with SR on FF sensors (how much money is that going to cost them??!), or they could have some sort of "cropped" SR mode that is enabled when SR is on and FF when SR is off. You always have lenses with stabilisation in them, but I can't really see that happening... Is this a real problem, or do you think that there will be no problem with SR on FF Pentax cameras? (I sure as wouldn't like to see N&C with their 14mm lenses on FF when the widest thing Pentax could make was the FF equivalent of a 17/18mm. With SR of course but still...) Any thoughts/other solutions? to make 0.5 mm smaller FF sensor is not the problem

08-02-2008, 08:58 AM	#293
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by ricardobeat We're getting close.. any expectations for further price drops? BH is selling the K20D for U$1099 already. I got new K20D body for... USD $650

08-02-2008, 12:54 PM	#294
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	And how did you manage that deejjjaaaa?

08-03-2008, 02:05 AM	#295
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by Ash And how did you manage that deejjjaaaa? It was a special "Fell Off the Truck" Price!

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08-03-2008, 08:25 AM	#296
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by Ash And how did you manage that deejjjaaaa? well, because I happen to be in the USA... and evil Microsoft was running a promotion like up to 25% (even 35%) cash back if you buy on ebay and pay with paypal after you do a search using live.com for an item (any item - just click the cashback link to go to ebay from live.com)... and there are dealers ("dealers") who sell new K20Ds on ebay... so ~$1038 - 25% (up to $250, so it is $250 in this case) - $100 rebate - credit card cash back... voila, you have new K20D body for... ~$650...

08-03-2008, 08:28 AM	#297
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by benjikan It was a special "Fell Off the Truck" Price! nice try

08-03-2008, 09:52 AM	#298
Kguru Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Perth - WestAust Posts: 602	Originally posted by deejjjaaaa ~$1038 - 25% (up to $250, so it is $250 in this case) - $100 rebate - credit card cash back... voila, you have new K20D body for... ~$650... Counting your chickens before they hatch ... wait till you receive the cashbacks in hand first

08-03-2008, 10:21 AM	#299
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by Kguru Counting your chickens before they hatch ... wait till you receive the cashbacks in hand first well I checked my account on live.com - all microsoft cashbacks (from K20D and lenses) were reported by ebay/paypal as promised and in exact amounts... as for Pentax - I never had issues w/ their rebates (on previous 2 cameras and on flash) - so I am not concerned about that either... so do not feel envy - be proud that you paid the full price

08-03-2008, 01:28 PM	#300
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	That cashback thing is dead for now though ;-) I had thought about doing that as well, but the September KxD body has me on the fence :-)